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View Poll Results: Where will we pick for the 2012 NHL Entry Draft?
1st-5th 1 1.96%
6th-10th 4 7.84%
11th-15th 23 45.10%
16th-20th 22 43.14%
21st-25th 1 1.96%
26th-30th 0 0%
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03-27-2012, 10:13 AM
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wut

There's just no way...
Ahahha whose draft is this? Because that is hilariously lucky of us.

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03-27-2012, 10:16 AM
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Oh man if Galchenyuk was on the board when Dallas was on the clock the few minutes until they announced their pick would be intense. It should seem like a no brainer at that point but most of us thought Fowler was a no brainer too.

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The prospects board seemed to think that was a Dallas scout

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The prospects board seemed to think that was a Dallas scout
Man I'd laugh it was a Blues scout or something, but seriously Dallas scouts don't expect to get Galchenyuk now that he's come back and shown us his moves.

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I'm not going to do this daily, but .....

Dallas can't finish below 6th officially (ahead of Columbus, Edmonton, Montreal, Minnesota, or the NY Islanders).

A single OT/SO loss by Dallas or any of the following teams eliminates Dallas from finishing below 9th officially (Toronto, Anaheim, and Carolina).

To finish 10th, Dallas' magic number with Winnipeg is 4.

To finish 11th, Dallas' magic number with Tampa Bay is 5.

11th to 18th or winning the division (21st to 26th) is the most realistic.

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Noticed that Kamloops was off to a great start to the playoffs leading their series 3-0, and I was wondering about their draft eligible players.

Peter Karmanos, Jr., owns both the Carolina Hurricanes and the Plymouth Whalers (OHL), and it's not uncommon to see his NHL team drafting from his OHL team (currently 2 players in Plymouth drafted by Carolina - Carolina has 1 former Whaler on their NHL roster right now - at least 2 former Whalers are playing for the Canes AHL affiliate).

I'm not saying targeting your NHL owners CHL team is a smart thing, but there is at least one example of this happening.

Kamloops has one potential top prospect (probably 2nd round pick) in Tim Bozon. He was born in St. Louis while his French-born father played for the Blues. By the age of two, his father was playing professionally in Switzerland, and Bozon developed in the Swiss leagues before jumping to the WHL.

In 71GP Bozon has picked up 71 points (36G-35A) along with 40PIM and a +27. In Kamloops' 3 playoff games he has 4 goals and no assists.

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Timothé Bozon, of the Kamloops Blazers, is quickly making a name for himself as a top prospect for the 2012 NHL Draft, and is currently ranked 39th overall among North American skaters by Central Scouting. Not that we should be surprised, the 17-year-old definitely has the bloodlines as his father is former St. Louis Blues winger Philippe Bozon. Timothé has been one of the most consistent players, on a Blazer squad that has had a remarkable turnaround compared to previous seasons. The 6-foot-1, 180-pound left winger has scored 25 goals and 49 points in 49 games so far, ranking him second overall among WHL rookie scorers. He was tremendous in the game I saw him play against the Prince George Cougars in early December, displaying unbelievable poise and maturity, en route to sniping a pair of goals and an assist. Bozon has good wheels, great hands, excellent vision and hockey sense, and is simply blessed with exceptional offensive instincts. Along with being able to produce points, Bozon is very dependable in his own end as well, and currently sits 8th overall in the WHL with a +24 ranking. He was a first round pick (27th overall) by Kamloops in last years CHL Import Draft, and needles to say, has been everything and more for the club. Bozon is a pure goal scorer, with the skill set to be an impact player at the pro level.
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The Swiss-born wing, son of former NHL'er Philippe Bozon is a playmaker and scorer who is in his first season playing the North American-smaller rink style. He is a puck carrier, who likes to shoulder setting up in the offensive zone and has experience playing all three forward positions. He is a work in progress and he learns the nuances of the coverage and faster-paced play.
Kamloops also has two 2nd year eligible players with a realistic shot of being drafted:

Colin Smith: 72GP 35G 50A 85PTS 51PIM +31
Playoffs: 3GP 1G 5A 6PTS 8PIM Even

J.C. Lipon: 69GP 19G 46A 65PTS 111PIM +23
Playoffs: 3GP 1G 6A 7PTS 4PIM Even

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Wouldn't mind a 2nd or 3rd used on Bozon.

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Draft Position:

StandingsTeamPointsROWMagicTragicGR
18thPHX9133953
17thOTT90341064
16thSJ9032863
15thWAS8836683
14thDAL8935****3
13thCOL8832382
12thBUF86313103
11thCGY86321102

LA and FL are not listed because they are currently projected as division winners. Dallas can't catch the teams between PHX and the division winners.

Washington is listed as 15th despite fewer points because they are projected to make the playoffs in the East.

A higher magic number than tragic number means it's difficult for Dallas to catch them.

A higher tragic number vs. magic number means it's more difficult from Dallas to finish below them.

The most likely finish for this team is 14th overall.

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my avatar saying claimed 13th. Damn I was close.

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This is just the Top 10 players according to Central Scouting in each North American league. The number next to the league is the projected first rounders from that league:

Western Hockey League (7)
Mathew Dumba, Red Deer
Ryan Murray, Everett
Derrick Pouliot, Portland
Griffin Reinhart, Edmonton
Morgan Rielly, Edmonton
Colton Sissons, Kelowna
Chandler Stephenson, Regina
Lukas Sutter, Saskatoon
Dalton Thrower, Saskatoon
Mike Winther, Prince Albert

Ontario Hockey League (10)
Cody Ceci, Ottawa
Radek Faksa, Kitchener
Matthew Finn, Guelph
Alex Galchenyuk, Sarnia
Brendan Gaunce, Belleville
Slater Koekkoek, Peterborough
Scott Kosmachuk, Guelph
Olli Maatta, London
Thomas Wilson, Plymouth
Nail Yakupov, Sarnia

Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (2)
Francis Beauvillier, Rimouski
Matej Beran, Prince Edward Island
Ryan Culkin, Quebec
Martin Frk, Halifax
Mikhail Grigorenko, Quebec
Charles Hudon, Chicoutimi
Tomas Hyka, Gatineau
Christophe Lalancette, Acadie-Bathurst
James Melindy, Moncton
Andrew Ryan, Halifax

USA East (0)
Chris Calnan, Nobles
Adam Gilmour, Nobels
Brian Hart, Exeter
Mark Jankowski, Stanstead High School
Samuel Kurker, St. John's Prep
Cristoval 'Boo' Nieves, Kent School
Daniel O'Regan, St. Sebastian School
Doyle Somerby, Kimball Union
Devin Tringale, Lawrence
Jimmy Vesey, South Shore

USA West (5)
Phillip DiGiuseppe, University of Michigan
Zemgus Girgensons, Dubuque
Nicolas Kerdiles, USNTDP
Michael Matheson, Dubuque
Stefan Matteau, USNTDP
Jake McCabe, University of Wisconsin
Jordan Schmaltz, Green Bay
Patrick Sieloff, USNTDP
Brady Skjei, USNTDP
Jacob Trouba, USNTDP

Canadian Juniors/Midgets (0)
Matthew Benning, Spruce Grove
Paul Dejersey, Prince George
Rhett Holland, Okotoks
Alexander Kerfoot, Coquitlam
Jujhar Khara, Prince George
Wade Murphy, Penticton
Peter Quenneville, Sherwood
Devin Shore, Whitby
Reece Willcox, Merritt
Morgan Zulinick, Salmon Arm

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The name that stuck out to me on that list was Wade Murphy from Penticton. However, the team is what actually stuck out to me. Dallas has drafted several players out of Canadian juniors/midgets recently. Also, Murphy started the season with Jamie Benn's old team Victoria.

I thought I'd dig up a little on him just for fun.

He's committed to join Merimack (NCAA) in 2013. Wade scored 91 points (36G-55A) in 60 regular season games, and he's tied for first in playoff scoring with 13 points (6G-7A) in 10 games.

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Jamie Benn - Victoria (Draft year)
Regular Season: 53GP 42G-23A-65PTS
Playoffs: 11GP 5G-4A-9PTS

Curtis McKenzie - Penticton (Draft year)
Regular Season: 53GP 30G-34A-64PTS
Playoffs: 10GP 3G-7A-10PTS

Austin Smith - Penticton (Year following draft)
Regular Season: 60GP 32G-35A-67PTS
Playoffs: 15GP 11G-11A-22PTS

Comments from Fred Harbinson (Penticton head coach) about why they traded for him:
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“Wade no question is a dynamic offensive talent and the points he put up in Victoria reflect that.” said Vees head coach Fred Harbinson. “In saying that, we feel his compete level, work ethic and determination on and off the ice is what we value and feel will be a perfect fit in Penticton.”
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BTW .... Wade Murphy was the 204th ranked N.A. skater which I think means a the mid point of the year he wasn't even projected to be drafted.

The N.A. skaters list obviously doesn't include N.A. goalies or International skaters/goalies, and the 204th pick in the draft would already be one of the last in the draft (typically 210 picks).

Being on such a high profile team (Penticton made a ton of news winning 42 straight games this season), I imagine he'll jump in the final rankings. However, I doubt we're talking about a legitimate Top 60 or even Top 90 pick. He's probably a late round option.

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BTW .... Wade Murphy was the 204th ranked N.A. skater which I think means a the mid point of the year he wasn't even projected to be drafted.

The N.A. skaters list obviously doesn't include N.A. goalies or International skaters/goalies, and the 204th pick in the draft would already be one of the last in the draft (typically 210 picks).

Being on such a high profile team (Penticton made a ton of news winning 42 straight games this season), I imagine he'll jump in the final rankings. However, I doubt we're talking about a legitimate Top 60 or even Top 90 pick. He's probably a late round option.
That is a pretty damn impressive season. I could see us using a pick anywhere from the 3rd round on for that type of guy.

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Definitely a guy worth the risk. I wouldn't be surprised if someone bit on him in the 3rd, though.

Just so no one is confused, that list of Top 10 Players By League G posted is in alphabetical order. I was looking at it a little strangely until I realized that.

Sounds like once of Gaunce or Faksa may fall to as far as 14th, which is where we'll probably pick again. We'd be insane to not pick one of them. I'd also like to see us move up in the 2nd round and try to get Girgensons as well. Both could be legit top 6 center prospects, and a huge hole would be filled in a matter of hours.

Obviously, we should still go BPA, but Gaunce or Faksa at 14th is almost guaranteed to be BPA, and in the 2nd, it's all a crapshoot. That, and I'm a huge Girgensons fan for obvious reasons.

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It will likely cost both 2nds to get back in the 1st round. Since both have a very good shot at being Top 50, and GMJN already said the Dallas scouts feel the Top 50 is very strong, I don't see that happening.

I've seen Gaunce and Faska all over the place, but I hope you are right that one will be available.

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It will likely cost both 2nds to get back in the 1st round. Since both have a very good shot at being Top 50, and GMJN already said the Dallas scouts feel the Top 50 is very strong, I don't see that happening.

I've seen Gaunce and Faska all over the place, but I hope you are right that one will be available.
Girgensons shouldn't be a 1st round pick. I was saying maybe package one of the 3rds with a 2nd to move up 3-4 spots.

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We're going to pick 14th again.. sigh

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Girgensons shouldn't be a 1st round pick. I was saying maybe package one of the 3rds with a 2nd to move up 3-4 spots.
really? Most reports I've read have him mid to late first.

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really? Most reports I've read have him mid to late first.
He's risen back up, then. I remember a lot of reports had him at ~29th-30th if they even had him in the 1st round.

He'd be a lot higher if he wasn't in the USHL.

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Girgensons shouldn't be a 1st round pick. I was saying maybe package one of the 3rds with a 2nd to move up 3-4 spots.
Yeah I haven't seen him out of the 1st round. He definitely could since these reports aren't the end all be all, but that would be a bit surprising.

McKenzie's rankings in February had him at 11. I think most people would agree that McKenzie's list complied based of discussions with the actual scouts making the picks is the most reliable. Every year his record for picking 1st round picks in the final rankings (which should be out soon) is excellent. Usually somewhere between 20 and 30 of the guys he lists as 1st rounders actually go in the 1st round.

McKeen's latest Top 30 from March had him at 11. ISS's March ratings has him at 20. The most recent consensus ratings I could find are from February combining the ratings of Bob McKenzie, Redline Report, Future Considerations, ISS, Craig Button, Hockey Prospectus, The Scouting Report, and Win Shares. That puts him at 10.

None of that would indicate he shouldn't be a 1st round pick. It would be a big surprise for him to fall below 30.

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He's definitely a first round talent. I'm probably just trying to find some way to get him on the Stars.

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Girgensons is probably a reasonable bet to be taken with dallas' first rounder. Big two way center with smarts and skill who will likely be heading to college.

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Just to review the cost of moving up:

In 2011:
Toronto gave the 30th and 39th overall to move up to 22nd.
Ottawa gave the 35th and 48th overall to move up to 24th.
San Jose gave the 59th overall pick with a 3rd in 2012 for the 47th.
Minnesota gave the 70th and 100th overall pick for the 60th.

In 2010:
LA gave the 19th and the 59th for the 15th.
Montreal gave the 27th and 57th for the 22nd and 113th.
Islanders gave 35th and 58th for 30th overall.
LA traded 49th and 109th for 47th.
Minnesota traded 69th and 99th for 59th.

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Girgensons is probably a reasonable bet to be taken with dallas' first rounder. Big two way center with smarts and skill who will likely be heading to college.
Definitely wouldn't mind it at all.

Thanks, G. Figured it'd be expensive.

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Definitely wouldn't mind it at all.

Thanks, G. Figured it'd be expensive.
I wouldnt either although there will likely be a couple guys that Ive keyed on available in that range who I would prefer.

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