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04-01-2012, 01:13 AM
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I really like Pinizotto's game, I truly thought he was going to be a fulltime Canuck, whether it be he was playing, or was scratched here and there.

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TSN mentioned in their recap of last night's game that AV had said he hoped Keith Ballard would get into some games before the end of the season. Not sure how we'd manage that with the cap, but it would be great to see him back in action.

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TSN mentioned in their recap of last night's game that AV had said he hoped Keith Ballard would get into some games before the end of the season. Not sure how we'd manage that with the cap, but it would be great to see him back in action.
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TSN mentioned in their recap of last night's game that AV had said he hoped Keith Ballard would get into some games before the end of the season. Not sure how we'd manage that with the cap, but it would be great to see him back in action.
Yes. I recall Gillis saying a while ago that he "thinks" he could work Ballard in. I have been stumped trying to find out how. Best I can think of if Kassian and Tanev get sent down to Chicago but they aren't on the AHL clear day roster. Can they be sent down anyways and not play?

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Yes. I recall Gillis saying a while ago that he "thinks" he could work Ballard in. I have been stumped trying to find out how. Best I can think of if Kassian and Tanev get sent down to Chicago but they aren't on the AHL clear day roster. Can they be sent down anyways and not play?
I wonder if they could "send" some players to the ECHL and what the rules to that are?

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I wonder if they could "send" some players to the ECHL and what the rules to that are?
unless a player is on an elc, players effectively have a NMC with regards to the ECHL - they can only be sent there if they consent

also there's no chance MG sends anyone to the AHL while the wolves are still in the playoffs because IIRC, bringing them back up would take out of the four transactions they get

this isnt edmonton here

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I wonder if they could "send" some players to the ECHL and what the rules to that are?
Can't send anyone down that was on the roster at the trade deadline. Otherwise, sending them to the ECHL would technically be allowed because of the ELC/ECHL rule Verviticus mentioned - Kassian and Tanev are both still on ELC's.

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Can't send anyone down that was on the roster at the trade deadline. Otherwise, sending them to the ECHL would technically be allowed because of the ELC/ECHL rule Verviticus mentioned - Kassian and Tanev are both still on ELC's.
Unless they preserved their loan eligibility by doing a paper transaction that sent them down right before the deadline and recalled them immediately, but it doesn't sound like they did that. It's tough to be sure though, because there's no public record of that stuff unless someone reports it.


As for Ballard getting some game action before the playoffs, I can't see how it could happen. Now that Ebbett is back they'd have to clear about $1.3 million in annual salary from the current roster. I guess if Kassian and Tanev are still eligible to be loaned they could demote both those guys and activate Ballard, but I don't see it happening. If they really wanted to get Ballard some action they probably would've kept Ebbett on LTIR and then only sent 1 guy down. Who knows though, I guess we'll see.

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Got fooled by Wet's thread on Ebbett. I'm like, here we go again, then I opened it and quickly realized...

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Daniel taking part in some light exercises according to TSN. Hank said he's continuing to feel better.

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Daniel came to the rink and said he felt like Hank.

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Per TSN:

Daniel improving.
"This is the part where he's a little anxious (to see) if things are going the right way and when he's exercising if it's going to be positive or headaches are going to come back," said Henrik.
Ballard ups workout level but still nothing definite.
"I thought I'd go on the trip to Detroit five weeks ago, and here I am now just getting back to practice," he said. "I don't know. I think it would be helpful going into playoffs having played at least one game since the beginning of February. But if I'm not ready, I'm not ready."
Bieksa practising but unlikely to play Tuesday
Kevin Bieksa, who has missed the past three games with an undisclosed health issue, skated before practice with injured teammates Aaron Rome (knee) and Aaron Volpatti (shoulder). Vigneault said Bieksa will participate in Tuesday's morning skate with the team, but probably will not play against the Ducks.
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Hmmm...it seems Mark Specter also thinks you have a case if your concussion is diagnosed in the following situation:

The player finishes the game then is reported to have a concussion.

Lets hope no concussion specialist purposely falsify a diagnosis.


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Hmmm...it seems Mark Specter also thinks you have a case if your concussion is diagnosed in the following situation:

The player finishes the game then is reported to have a concussion.

Lets hope nobody purposely falsify their diagnosis.


Leaving aside the fact that Mark Spector is a know nothing buffoon and would do nothing except detract from an argument if he is cited in support... And the article does not support the point you have tried to make repeatedly and unsuccessfully without any supporting evidence.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/...iet_room_myth/

Sometimes concussion symptoms do not show up for several hours or even several days after the fact. And sometimes players do not even recall the precise hit that triggered the brain injury. It does not have to be a blow to the head - it can just be a hard hit (delivered or received) or a cross check resulting in a whiplash type movement. Over the years as a lawyer I have seen numerous concussions in MVA cases resulting from whiplash where there has been no direct head trauma.

Keith Ballard's latest concussion issues are perfect example. He was hit hard twice during a February 4, 2012 game with Colorado, one being a stiff crosscheck that left his neck sore. He would play the next game as well despite a stiff neck. But it was not until the evening of February 7 when he was having dinner with his parents in Nashville that he got a blinding headache. And from there the PCS symptoms spiralled out of control.
Keith Ballard was having dinner with his parents following a Feb. 7 game in Nashville and it wasn't the service, the menu or the prices that brought on sudden pain.

"I started getting these terrible headaches and it progressed to a lot more in the next few days," recalled the Vancouver Canucks defenceman, who has only started to lightly practise following a long and frustrating rehab from a concussion that started with a sore neck and morphed into all the familiar symptoms associated with a blow to the head or a whiplash effect from contact.

Ballard had both on Feb. 4 against Colorado. While there has been much head scratching to target just when Ballard actually took a pair of hits against the Avalanche — because he did play in the next game — it was a classic case of what's at play with a concussion. Ballard went into the end boards with Daniel Winnik and his face hit the boards as he fell during the collision. On the next shift, Ballard got crosschecked in the back and it didn't take long for the cumulative effect to trigger the carousel of pain to start spinning again.

"I had a real bad whiplash," said Ballard, who has missed 24 games. "Initially, that was my biggest complaint — a stiff neck — but there were a lot of symptoms and I think they're all similar from a concussion with the headaches, stiff neck and jaw pain."

While there was speculation that the seriousness of the injury was debatable — which is really laughable because of the uncertain nature of every concussion — and that it would be convenient to place Ballard on the long-term injury list and free up his $4.2 million US in salary cap space at the trade deadline, it was the severity of the injury that determined that direction. After all, Ballard was so messed up that he was sleeping as many as 18 hours a day and when he tried to do any light exercise, he would get nauseous and go right back to bed. For days.
http://www.theprovince.com/news/Vanc...#ixzz1qxAuoNPN

A similar situation occurred years back with Jason Allison who took a fairly routine cross check and first experienced a stiff neck that was day to day then he was out for the rest of the season and the next and it was full-blown PCS. Allison would miss almost 2 1/2 years and he was never the same player after he came back.

Hockey players try to play through injuries, that is how they are wired but with concussions you simply cannot do that as concussion guru Dr. Karen Johnston has said repeatedly.

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He might not know how to count, but Gilman does.

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Oh I guess mark spector is a complete moron which is why he is on Television for suggesting the possibility that there MIGHT be some exaggeration of a concussion. I'll keep that in mind.

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I'd be interested in seeing the number of concussions reported and treated in the NHL compared to other major sports leauges. You would think players in the NFL would be dropping like flys with PCS or are they just playing through it all? Would introducing better helmets or proper neck protectors to reduce whiplash keep players and safer?

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Oh I guess mark spector is a complete moron which is why he is on Television for suggesting the possibility that there MIGHT be some exaggeration of a concussion. I'll keep that in mind.
Except his article does not support that contention. And he is a buffoon as he has demonstrated repeatedly over the years.

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I'd be interested in seeing the number of concussions reported and treated in the NHL compared to other major sports leauges. You would think players in the NFL would be dropping like flys with PCS or are they just playing through it all? Would introducing better helmets or proper neck protectors to reduce whiplash keep players and safer?
The NFL has serious issues and there is a pending class action suit against the league.
Hundreds of players have been suing the NFL since last year in the wake of a growing body of scientific evidence connecting repeated blows to the head and long-term brain damage. Most of the cases have been brought together before a judge in Philadelphia.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/nf...n-lawsuit.html

Unlike the other major sports, NFL contracts are not guaranteed so players are more likely to try to play through injury lest they be cut.

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Hmmm...it seems Mark Specter also thinks you have a case if your concussion is diagnosed in the following situation:

The player finishes the game then is reported to have a concussion.

Lets hope no concussion specialist purposely falsify a diagnosis.
Mark Specter is being absolutely ridiculous.

There is a reason it's called *post* concussion syndrome. Symptoms of a concussion often don't arise until hours or days after the hit to the head was sustained. A player may finish a game, without realizing they've been concussed, and then wake up with symptoms days later. To suggest anything is being falsified is a disservice to the health of the player. (Although sending a player out to skate who has been hit in hard in the head is also a disservice).

Maybe if you want to continue on suggesting (not claiming) that there is a possibility the Canucks are falsifying the diagnosis, you should look between the lines. If the purpose was to obtain a stricter punishment for Keith, they did so by saying Daniel was out indefinitely (not a lie), and by not commenting on the severity of the concussion (which is really up to how the player feels).

/Guh, Wetcoaster beat me too it.
//Suffered a minor concussion last year, thought I was fine for 4-5 days after, then felt downright rotten for a couple months.

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If the purpose was to obtain a stricter punishment for Keith, they did so by saying Daniel was out indefinitely (not a lie), and by not commenting on the severity of the concussion (which is really up to how the player feels).
Exactly what I am saying. I just read the concussion protocol. The players write down exactly what they are feeling during the diagnosis. So any chance Daniel might have written off himself a bit more serious than he might have felt? Not impossible. And Frankly he might have just done it so he could contribute the maximal amount of punishment to Keith. I am not suggesting they are faking concussions. I am saying it is possible to exaggerate a bit based on the way concussions are diagnosed. This is the point the sports analysts (not just Mark Spector) are making about the unsureness of diagnosis and saying they should improve on the NHL concussion protocols. But I got ripped badly by Wetcoaster before for even suggesting that so I better not say it anymore.


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Exactly what I am saying. I just read the concussion protocol. The players write down exactly what they are feeling during the diagnosis. So any chance Daniel might have written off himself a bit more serious than he might have felt? Not impossible? And Frankly he might have just so he could contribute the maximal amount of punishment to Keith. I am not suggesting they are faking concussions anymore. I am saying its possible to exaggerate based on the way concussions are diagnosed.
While not impossible it is an absurd claim. If anything players downplay symptoms.

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In related news Kesler is still having trouble with his hip. Expected news considering his skating hasn't been at the same level as last season, resulting a massive drop in production and general effectiveness.

Still a very good player but far from being that dominating force that he was last season. Wonder if he can get back to that level? Now 2 major hip surgeries in his career, 8 months passed after the last one and still feeling it.

"It's still an ongoing thing. It still tightens up. They [surgeons] tightened up the front of the hip capsule so much that you get some pain and the trainers do a good job of keeping it loose and stretching and keep on top of the strengthening. The hip flexor almost pulls the femoral head forward and gives you a problem."

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/ho...523/story.html

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