Seriously? How many times I really have to point out Wolski's example.? He's born in Poland and is Polish citizen, but he still isn't eligible for Poland without two consecutive ****ing years played in Poland. Citizenship in today's world is worthless, you can pick up Qatari, Italian, Polish passports up for free on every corner. Yeah, it's an IIHF requirement, bit it's hardly an obstacle. Btw, there even are countries that doesn't give citizenship to kids born in its territory if at least of the kids parent isn't a citizen of said country.
If you guys, have confirmed that G is eligible, I'm satisfied with it, but I would simply like to know where did he spend 08/09 season. I've tried googling it and found nothing.
Alright, you know the in-depth specifics of the rule and I've been 100% sure for the last two years that Galchenyuk is/has been able to represent the United States in international competition.
Regardless, this is a stupid debate because anyone who follows USA Hockey or Galchenyuk knows this.
That's my point, I can't find anything about that season. Nor CYA, nor Sting mentions anything about his previous years before the 09-10.
Even yourself mention him already as a Chicago player here - http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...97&postcount=4 Being a talant he obviously is, he should of ripped apart the league he previously played as well. In NA you guys pick up on talant really early, so it is kinda weird that internet/hfboards doesn't mention him at all at the time.
At the very least, he played half the 2008-09 season in Russia.
1. That's when I decided to play in the OHL because I watched John Tavares and those guys [during the fall of 2008]. I was over to play in the Silver Stick tournament with my Russian team." http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrh...194417361.html
This is a stupid argument. In this day and age numerous countries benefit from dual citizens, it's not a one way street where only the US reaps the rewards. Just off the top of my Canadian WJC teams rostered Tyler Myers, Brandon Kozun, Jamie Oleksiak, Sean Couturier and Marcus Foligno. I believe all born in the US and trained for a period of time in the US. Right now with the 96s the US may lose out on 3 dual citizens in Daniel Audette, Willie Nylander and Kasperi Kapanen. Jokie Ryan was all set to play for Sweden, now he's only US eligible. The list and the examples go on and on.
As far as Galchenyuk. My understanding is that he is dual citizen of the US and Belarus, so that would effectively throw any Russian eligibility out the window. So if that is true, who would you want to rep internationally? A top hockey nation like the US, or a smaller country in Belarus?
Tyler Myers left Texas at age 11, he played a bit of hockey in the United States but it wasn't serious untill he came to Canada. Brandon Kozun played hockey in the Los Angeles area but like Myers it was nothing serious untill he left for Canada at age 10.
Oleksiak spent most of his life in Canada, I'm pretty sure he never left Toronto untill he left in 08-09 for the USHL. And for Sean Couturier and Marcus Foligno, they may have been born in the US, but I'm almost positive they never played hockey there (Couturier almost certainly didn't, he was the same age as Galchenyuk was when he left the states) and I'm pretty sure Marcus Foligno left Buffalo as a baby for Toronto and then Sudbury.
Oleksiak is the closest of those 5 to Galchenyuk (Playing in the US at 15) but he's still played more than Galchenyuk (3 years vs 1 or 2). It's safe to say none of the players you mentioned as well as Galchenyuk are American trained (Kouzun and Myers played the most in the US but it was early years).
And yes Galchenyuk does have Russian citizenship. His mother is Russian (Fairly certain, Russian posters have said this many times) and I'm pretty sure Alexander Galchenyuk Sr has dual Russian-Belarussian citizenship. They didn't settle in Belarus they settled in Moscow. He definitely has dual Russian-American citizenship.
At the very least, he played half the 2008-09 season in Russia.
1. That's when I decided to play in the OHL because I watched John Tavares and those guys [during the fall of 2008]. I was over to play in the Silver Stick tournament with my Russian team." http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/jrh...194417361.html
Even if he moved in early 2009, it would not constitute a full year of play in America.
Would these 5 games in some November tournament (and not Moscow Junior championship) would ruin a "full year" which he finished in USA at an unknown team? Who knows, that really is a grey area.
Seriously? How many times I really have to point out Wolski's example.? He's born in Poland and is Polish citizen, but he still isn't eligible for Poland without two consecutive ****ing years played in Poland. Citizenship in today's world is worthless, you can pick up Qatari, Italian, Polish passports up for free on every corner. Yeah, it's an IIHF requirement, bit it's hardly an obstacle. Btw, there even are countries that doesn't give citizenship to kids born in its territory if at least of the kids parent isn't a citizen of said country.
If you guys, have confirmed that G is eligible, I'm satisfied with it, but I would simply like to know where did he spend 08/09 season. I've tried googling it and found nothing.
Nevermind I thought Wolski played for Canada in IIHF competition
Would these 5 games in some November tournament (and not Moscow Junior championship) would ruin a "full year" which he finished in USA at an unknown team? Who knows, that really is a grey area.
Again, from the bylaws:
Quote:
1.7 When a player has multiple citizenship where the relevant citizenships are for countries of
member national associations and he has never represented any country in any IIHF
championship or an Olympic competition or in qualifications to these competitions, then in
order to play for the country of his choice he must
a) prove that he has participated for at least two consecutive years in the national
competitions of and resident in the country that he wishes to represent during which
period he has neither transferred to another country nor played ice hockey within any
other country and
b) if the country of his choice is one to which the player has transferred then he must
have had an IIHF international transfer card approved and dated by the IIHF at least
two years prior to his proposed participation.
So Galchenyuk came over to the USA in December 2008 or even later. Therefore he would not be eligible to play for the USA, never mind the Citizenship. But what about the earlier years, 1994-2002? He must have spent at least two years in the USA in that period and played some hockey there. Well, his father played in the USA 1992-1994 and 1996-1998, but Galchenyuk Jr. was only born in 1994. Did he stay in the USA when his father returned to Russia in 1998?
Did he stay in the USA when his father returned to Russia in 1998?
Who knows, but maybe it's worth finding some interview where Galchenyuk tells where and when he started skating, because he could played two years in USA when he was 4-5 years old. Knowing his dad is a hockey player his could well started doing so very early.
Couturier moved to Bathurst, NB at about age 5. Never actually had time to live in Phoenix because his father moved to Milwaukee for four seasons then moved to NB. He really didn't live there as a permanent resident
+ maybe some other complementary players from domestic leagues.
Looking good.
Defense is OK, IMO slightly better than it was this year, but it's still a biggest weakness.
Goaltenders look pretty good, but don't expect any of them to be as good as Mrazek.
Forwards should be the biggest strength of our team. TOP6 right now - Frk, Faksa, Hertl, Jaskin, Hyka, Stransky. That's extremely good compared to past several years.
Looking good.
Defense is OK, IMO slightly better than it was this year, but it's still a biggest weakness.
Goaltenders look pretty good, but don't expect any of them to be as good as Mrazek.
Forwards should be the biggest strength of our team. TOP6 right now - Frk, Faksa, Hertl, Jaskin, Hyka, Stransky. That's extremely good compared to past several years.
Yeah, they also defeated Sweden at U18 WJC last year. Even though they failed in other games it shows this will be our best chance for a top 4 finish we had in many years. Still not very high, but it's not completely impossible.
I think finnish team is also better considering last year.
Miikka Salomäki
Joel Armia
Markus Granlund
Teuvo Teräväinen
Sasha Barkov
Miro Aaltonen
Ville Pokka
Rasmus Ristolainen
Joonas Valkonen
Juuso Ikonen
Artturi Lehkonen
Im sure i missed someone.
All these guys are SM-Liiga (top tier league in Finland) regulars.
I remember that during 2012 WJC some Finnish posters around here were saying the next team without Mikael Granlund won't be that good and this is the time to medal. But maybe things changed since then, I don't know.
Murray - Hamilton
Harrington - Rielly
Oulette - Murphy
Reinhart
Subban
Broissoit
plain lethal in every way. i'm going out on a limb thinking HC will bring 2 draft eligibles, but how could you not when it's Mackinnon and Monahan.
This is a really good prediction but I don't see Lessio making it, someone like Danault instead. I'm wondering if Anthony Camara can be a dark horse for a fourth line spot, kid is straight up scoring this year while bringing more jam than anybody except Wilson. Canada needs to bring back some kids that can punish physically, DSP got hurt last year and nobody could hit anybody except for Jenner.
jones-murphy
welinski-trouba
mccabe-reilly
sieloff/gostisbehere (whether they want a PP specialist or a bone crusher off the bench is the coaches call)
gibson
gillies
skjei is the tough cut
some elite level offense up front, two way forwards make up the rest of the roster with 6 tough defensemen and a good goalie. USA will be a tough out, might not be flashy, but not a team you want to play.
Last edited by Montecristo: 10-23-2012 at 01:40 AM.
