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I think we all agree that everything points to relocation in QC, Ugmo. However, you are dealing with a man (GB) would rather eat glass than move another team to Canada so...
Good luck but don't count your chickens before they are hatched.
He might not eat glass, but would he be willing to eat enough cash to keep the Coyotes in Glendale one more year (the NHL's preferred option)?? It wouldn't surprise me if that's what happens.
No one is hating on QC. Hell, I am President of the "Make it 30" club. I want to see QC get their team. I just (unfortunately) feel there is more involved than ownership, an arena and fan support. If Gary Bettman did not have a bias against Canada, it would be a done deal.
Remember, GB is the man who thanked and praised Atlanta while lecturing Winnipeg.
But then promptly moved the team from Atlanta to Winnipeg.
Bettman doesn't have a "bias against Canada". Lordy, I can't believe I'm defending him, but it's true. Bettman is looking out for the owners, and what will make them the most money (and not worried one whit about the fans). If he thinks the league can make more money in QC than in Phoenix, then that is what will happen.
But then promptly moved the team from Atlanta to Winnipeg.
Bettman doesn't have a "bias against Canada". Lordy, I can't believe I'm defending him, but it's true. Bettman is looking out for the owners, and what will make them the most money (and not worried one whit about the fans). If he thinks the league can make more money in QC than in Phoenix, then that is what will happen.
Look at what hedoes, not at what he says.
I have to disagree, YJ.
First, his comments thanking Atlanta and lecturing Winnipeg were made on the day the team moved not before... "Thanks for taking the team off our hands Winnipeg now let me spit in your face and talk down to you."
Second, he believes the future of the NHL is in the U.S. not in Canada.
Last, everyone knows he takes Canada for granted. We provide 53.6% of the players, (approx) 40% of the league's revenue and a fan base that is loyal to a fault and yet he still treats us like the ugly sister of the family.
First, his comments thanking Atlanta and lecturing Winnipeg were made on the day the team moved not before... "Thanks for taking the team off our hands Winnipeg now let me spit in your face and talk down to you."
Second, he believes the future of the NHL is in the U.S. not in Canada.
Last, everyone knows he takes Canada for granted. We provide 53.6% of the players, (approx) 40% of the league's revenue and a fan base that is loyal to a fault and yet he still treats us like the ugly sister of the family.
To hell with him.
Thats not all him though.
The NHLPA has not exactly given back either, when was the last time an elite player signed in Canada? They are not even a fan a the smaller markets. Other than turris I think most prefer Miami over Ottawa.
The NHLPA has not exactly given back either, when was the last time an elite player signed in Canada? They are not even a fan a the smaller markets. Other than turris I think most prefer Miami over Ottawa.
That's very true. I still hate him tho.
Make it 8!!! Then... Make it 30!!!!
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I think the last BIG name player that came home was Luongo and that's a disgrace. Make Rick/Steve Nash will be next.
First, his comments thanking Atlanta and lecturing Winnipeg were made on the day the team moved not before... "Thanks for taking the team off our hands Winnipeg now let me spit in your face and talk down to you."
Second, he believes the future of the NHL is in the U.S. not in Canada.
Last, everyone knows he takes Canada for granted. We provide 53.6% of the players, (approx) 40% of the league's revenue and a fan base that is loyal to a fault and yet he still treats us like the ugly sister of the family.
To hell with him.
Very well said KevyD and fully agreed. Bettman most certainly take Canada and our fanbases for granted.
Bettman most certainly take Canada and our fanbases for granted.
I am sure he has many worries that come with the job but I guarantee he has NEVER laid in bed, late at night, and thought "Gee, I hope Canadians don't lose interest in the NHL."
I wish he would.
Even if he had ONE night where he tossed and turned, then rolled over, put his hand on the person next to him and said "Bill... Bill... dammit Daly wake up... I want to talk about ways to make the Canadian fan base happy."
First, his comments thanking Atlanta and lecturing Winnipeg were made on the day the team moved not before... "Thanks for taking the team off our hands Winnipeg now let me spit in your face and talk down to you."
Second, he believes the future of the NHL is in the U.S. not in Canada.
Last, everyone knows he takes Canada for granted. We provide 53.6% of the players, (approx) 40% of the league's revenue and a fan base that is loyal to a fault and yet he still treats us like the ugly sister of the family.
To hell with him.
His comments about Winnipeg were entirely at the bequest of Chipman & Co - they were made to prompt the sale of season tickets. It's easy in hindsight to say "well they never had to worry" but nobody knew the tickets would sell out in 17 minutes.
Look - Bettman isn't going to do Canada any favours. I know that. He's not going to move teams here because of sentiment. But he's a heartless businessman. And right now, the heartless businessman in him is saying "Canada=$$$".
His comments about Winnipeg were entirely at the bequest of Chipman & Co - they were made to prompt the sale of season tickets. It's easy in hindsight to say "well they never had to worry" but nobody knew the tickets would sell out in 17 minutes.
Look - Bettman isn't going to do Canada any favours. I know that. He's not going to move teams here because of sentiment. But he's a heartless businessman. And right now, the heartless businessman in him is saying "Canada=$$$".
That's the way I see it. Has he not talked on at least one occasion of "righting some wrongs" and bringing teams back to places that the league left? That was before the relocation of the Thrashers. It's fairly consistent that he would express regret at having to leave Atlanta, and will most likely express regret if the league has to leave Phoenix. Doesn't necessarily mean he inherantly has anything against Canada. No doubt he takes Canada for granted, but that's not the same thing.
Agreed. There's no doubt that Bettman certainly takes Canadian markets and fans for granted and that he does serve as a convenient boogeyman for Canadian fans, but that being said I don't think you could honestly say that he hates Canada. If he did, he wouldn't have been on board with the Canadian assistance plan that helped provide capital for the Flames, Oilers, and Senators and would've been totally in favor of moving the Oilers to Houston when the opportunity arose.
Those suites haven't been sold. What has been sold is the right to be first in line to lease the suites in case the Nordiques come back. Those people have no clue how much it is going to cost to actually lease the suites for a year -- they just hope it's still within their budget so they haven't just wasted their downpayment to J'ai ma place.
I think all this time speculating on Bettman is a waste. The men Quebec need to convince are the Ilitch, Jacobs, Molson, Kroenke, Anshutz, Burkle, Samueli, Pagula, Leonsis, Wirtz, Dolan, Comcast etc. Regarding the Coyotes relocation, Bettman will do what they tell him to do.
My French is far from perfect, but they did not say anything like the $20 million was a difference in potential profit, QcBlizzard's characterization is how I understood it too.
That's also my understanding but I have a hard time figuring out whether they really expect to lose $20M. The Colisée is the same size as the MTS Centre with about as many suites (46 + 2 large ones in MTS?). If it costs $200k/year to lease a suite, that's about 10 million in revenue from suites. Nobody has the Jets losing money this year, so Quebecor's $20M loss expectation seems very high to me, and would need to predict much lower ticket prices than Winnipeg, which doesn't really make much sense.
That's also my understanding but I have a hard time figuring out whether they really expect to lose $20M. The Colisée is the same size as the MTS Centre with about as many suites (46 + 2 large ones in MTS?). If it costs $200k/year to lease a suite, that's about 10 million in revenue from suites. Nobody has the Jets losing money this year, so Quebecor's $20M loss expectation seems very high to me, and would need to predict much lower ticket prices than Winnipeg, which doesn't really make much sense.
That's also my understanding but I have a hard time figuring out whether they really expect to lose $20M. The Colisée is the same size as the MTS Centre with about as many suites (46 + 2 large ones in MTS?). If it costs $200k/year to lease a suite, that's about 10 million in revenue from suites. Nobody has the Jets losing money this year, so Quebecor's $20M loss expectation seems very high to me, and would need to predict much lower ticket prices than Winnipeg, which doesn't really make much sense.
The only thing that might explain the hight amount is That quebecor will only be the 2nd tennant in the building, the last lease the Remparts signed in the old colisée made them 1st tennant, so that have the rights to the advertissing in the building, quebecor wont get any piece of the action on parking , bars, concessions, when theres a rock show in town if you wanna get a suite you have to go through the remparts to get one
They even have the power to move events around their schedule i.e. theres Monster truck show planned for may 12 but if the are still playing it will be push back to may 21.
The only thing that might explain the hight amount is That quebecor will only be the 2nd tennant in the building, the last lease the Remparts signed in the old colisée made them 1st tennant, so that have the rights to the advertissing in the building, quebecor wont get any piece of the action on parking , bars, concessions, when theres a rock show in town if you wanna get a suite you have to go through the remparts to get one
They even have the power to move events around their schedule i.e. theres Monster truck show planned for may 12 but if the are still playing it will be push back to may 21.
That's f-ed up if true. Anything like this in any of the major sports, where a minor league team is the primary tenant and the major league team is the secondary tenant?
The only thing that might explain the hight amount is That quebecor will only be the 2nd tennant in the building, the last lease the Remparts signed in the old colisée made them 1st tennant, so that have the rights to the advertissing in the building, quebecor wont get any piece of the action on parking , bars, concessions, when theres a rock show in town if you wanna get a suite you have to go through the remparts to get one
They even have the power to move events around their schedule i.e. theres Monster truck show planned for may 12 but if the are still playing it will be push back to may 21.
I'm pretty sure that's completely false. They had to push back game #2 because there was a show... Remparts just take care of their own games. Expocité is the one that has the powers...
Those suites haven't been sold. What has been sold is the right to be first in line to lease the suites in case the Nordiques come back. Those people have no clue how much it is going to cost to actually lease the suites for a year -- they just hope it's still within their budget so they haven't just wasted their downpayment to J'ai ma place.
You're right, but I bet almost each and every one of them will make the official move. The few ones that won't will be replaced by the ones waiting in line...
The only thing that might explain the hight amount is That quebecor will only be the 2nd tennant in the building, the last lease the Remparts signed in the old colisée made them 1st tennant, so that have the rights to the advertissing in the building, quebecor wont get any piece of the action on parking , bars, concessions, when theres a rock show in town if you wanna get a suite you have to go through the remparts to get one
They even have the power to move events around their schedule i.e. theres Monster truck show planned for may 12 but if the are still playing it will be push back to may 21.
As someone else wrote the Remparts lease the building for their games, they aren't the arena manager. I thought about it a bit further and another possible source of discrepancy is that the "20M loss" figure may exclude local broadcasting revenue as well as advertising revenue (which would be cashed in by TVA Sports/QMI and not the team).
