What? I picked each players best two season stretch so we could eliminate the "what have you done for me lately".
For Giroux, he's been consistently producing at this level since April of 2010 until the present. That's two years. For Backstrom, he was producing similar numbers from about October of 2008 until April of 2010.
EDIT: Yeah, you need to read my post again.
EDIT #2: Ah, I found the problem. A missing comma
should read:
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Originally Posted by Protest
HFboards, where 2+ seasons of production is considered "what have you done for me lately"
He didn't take their last 186 games. It was the span of around 2 seasons + playoffs where they scored their most point.
Also, playing all of that time with the best goal scorer in the league as compared to a season with Hartnell and old Jagr, and a season with random players is a big difference too.
I think it's pretty close. I'd give the slight edge to Giroux because I think he's a slightly better scorer, and because he hasn't played with a linemate like Ovechkin.
They're definitely comparable though if Backstrom gain regain his health, and form.
When Giroux is able to have multiple PPG+ seasons, a 33 goal season, and one 100 point season then call me.
Fact of the matter is that they're both the same age yet Backstrom has put up 365 points in his career while Giroux has put up 236. That's an extremely large distance in points. 129 to be exact. Backstrom has a 100+ point season and a 30+ goal season on his resume as well as multiple other PPG+ season while all Giroux has is one PPG+ season where he might not reach 30 goals and probably will only reach around 92 points. Is that comparable to Backstrom's best season, his 101 point one? Almost, but not quite.
Also, you're calling Ovechkin the best goal-scorer in the league and that he's so much better then what Giroux has while Hartnell only has one less goal then him (and more points)?
When Giroux is able to have multiple PPG+ seasons, a 33 goal season, and one 100 point season then call me.
Fact of the matter is that they're both the same age yet Backstrom has put up 365 points in his career while Giroux has put up 236. That's an extremely large distance in points. 129 to be exact. Backstrom has a 100+ point season and a 30+ goal season on his resume as well as multiple other PPG+ season while all Giroux has is one PPG+ season where he might not reach 30 goals and probably will only reach around 92 points. Is that comparable to Backstrom's best season, his 101 point one? Almost, but not quite.
Also, you're calling Ovechkin the best goal-scorer in the league and that he's so much better then what Giroux has while Hartnell only has one less goal then him (and more points)?
Let's get the bold information out of the way first, as I have no idea how you missed this point. Ovechkin this year is not relevant to the conversation.
During those seasons that Backstrom put up his best numbers (the years we're talking about), Ovechkin was the best goal scorer, and arguably player, in the world.
He had 56G and 110 Points, and then 50G and 109 Points. So shockingly Backstrom's career high in goals coincided with Ovechkin having just about 60 assists. No one on Giroux's team, let alone line is putting up those type of numbers. Giroux has 20 more points than his next closest teammate.
Next, let's go to the career points "argument." You fail to mention that Backstrom played 82 more games than Giroux. So let's redo the numbers in a non "twisted to fit my argument way."
Giroux: 279 Games, 236 Points, .85 PPG
Backstrom: 361 Games, 365 Points, 1.01 PPG
Now let's add some context to those numbers.
Giroux started his career on the third line playing with JvR and Asham. He was stuck behind 2-3 #1 centers every year until this season. He did not receive top PP time until last year. He did receive first line minutes until this year.
Backstrom came in and had no one blocking him on the depth chart. He was the #1 center on his team who got to play with Ovechkin. People can argue that he's not a leech all they want (I know he isn't a leech) but the fact of the matter remains that he got to play with one of the best players in the world. His numbers were without question inflated by Ovechkin.
The next thing would be that Giroux is currently on pace for 99 points over a full 82 game season, in a year where scoring is at the lowest point it's been at in a long time. In the year Backstrom scored 100 there were 3 others, including his linemate Ovechkin.
Backstrom has had the better career so far, the better opportunity for success by far, and the better linemates by far.
The two players are very much comparable, and I believe Giroux may be slightly better.
I'm surprised Backstrom isnt buried in this poll. Next year will sure things up. I just think if Giroux had Ovechkin his whole career this would be a laugher of a poll and Giroux would be renowned with the Malkin, Crosby and Ovechkin class.
When Giroux is able to have multiple PPG+ seasons, a 33 goal season, and one 100 point season then call me.
I'm not wading into the larger discussion here, but this is pretty rich coming from you considering your position on Giroux literally used to be, "Call me when he breaks 50 points."
You may want to consider retiring that line.
Just because G hasn't done something yet (and I'd argue that it'd be fair to call back-to-back 76 & 86+ point seasons as multiple PPG seasons), doesn't mean he won't. He's only ever trended upwards. So call me when he starts regressing.
Assuming they're both healthy going forward, I'd take Backstrom. They're both great players but I've always felt that Ovechkin's totals are more of a result of playing with Backstrom than the other way around...
a few never implies that many. what grade are you in?
couple = two
few = three
some = four
several = five
many = >six
In 2010, there were 29 reported fatalities due to lightning strikes in the U.S., in your line of thinking, that would mean that a great many people were killed by lightning. I don't know what grade he is in, but I can gather that you haven't learned about proportionality just yet. These terms are relative. While eating a few donuts would generally mean three, no one would say that a few people being killed by lightning literally meant three. In a league with 600 players, 7 is not many.
last I checked, in a league of over 600 players, 13 is a few.
