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04-02-2012, 08:41 PM
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2007 draft vs 1998 draft

Which draft was the better for the Habs? Those were the 2 best drafts in recent memory.

Players that have played NHL games...

2007

Ryan McDonagh (39 pts in 119 games... 4th among D-men drafted in 07)
Max Pacioretty (109 pts in 199 games... 8th among those drafted in 07)
PK Subban (75 pts in 157 games... 2nd among D-men drafted in 07... 12th overall)
Yannick Weber (30 pts in 109 games... 6th among D-men drafted in 07)

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1998

Eric Chouinard (22 pts in 90 games)
Mike Ribeiro (559 pts in 735 games... 7th in pts among those drafted in 98)
Francois Beauchemin (155 pts in 488 games... 7th in pts among D-men drafted in 98)
Andrei Bashkirov (3 pts in 30 games)
Gordie Dwyer (5 pts in 108 games)
Andrei Markov (368 pts in 633 games... #1 among D-men drafted in 98 and 15th overall)
Michael Ryder (396 pts in 628 games... 14th in pts among those drafted in 98)


I got to go with 1998 for now. 3.5 impact players (98) vs 3 impact players (07).

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04-02-2012, 08:45 PM
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1998, but it could change. who knows if MaxPac becomes a 400 goals scorer in the NHL, if Subban becomes a Norris candidate, etc...

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04-02-2012, 08:47 PM
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Which draft was the better for the Habs? Those were the 2 best drafts in recent memory.

Players that have played NHL games...

2007

Ryan McDonagh (39 pts in 119 games... 4th among D-men drafted in 07)
Max Pacioretty (109 pts in 199 games... 8th among those drafted in 07)
PK Subban (75 pts in 157 games... 2nd among D-men drafted in 07... 12th overall)
Yannick Weber (30 pts in 109 games... 6th among D-men drafted in 07)

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1998

Eric Chouinard (22 pts in 90 games)
Mike Ribeiro (559 pts in 735 games... 7th in pts among those drafted in 98)
Francois Beauchemin (155 pts in 488 games... 7th in pts among D-men drafted in 98)
Andrei Bashkirov (3 pts in 30 games)
Gordie Dwyer (5 pts in 108 games)
Andrei Markov (368 pts in 633 games... #1 among D-men drafted in 98 and 15th overall)
Michael Ryder (396 pts in 628 games... 14th in pts among those drafted in 98)


I got to go with 1998 for now. 3.5 impact players (98) vs 3 impact players (07).
What's important for us NOW, is the 2007 draft. We still (and hopefully will keep) these two young men for a while.

The Chouinard's pick in 1998 was just plain awful. like the Wickenheiser one in 1981....


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When it's all said and done, it will be 2007

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The Chouinard's pick in 1998 was just plain awful. like the Wickenheiser one in 1981....
Not even close. Picking a bust 1st overall is the worst. Picking a bust at 16th overall happens rather often. Even in the very highly regarded 2003 draft, the 16th pick was a bust (Steve Bernier).

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What sucks about 98 is we just picked the wrong Rempart.

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What's important for us NOW, is the 2007 draft. We still (and hopefully will keep) these two young men for a while.

The Chouinard's pick in 1998 was just plain awful. like the Wickenheiser one in 1981....
Imagine we would have picked up Denis Savard that draft insead of Wickenheiser ??

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Imagine we would have picked up Denis Savard that draft insead of Wickenheiser ??
Chris Chelios would have retired only a few years ago. The dreadful late 90's-early 00's wouldn't of been that bad with a stalwart like Chelios on the backend.

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04-02-2012, 10:02 PM
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I can't believe it's been already 5 years since we drafted Pacioretty. It feels like yesterday I was listening to the radio with everybody whining on why we didnt take Perron instead.

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Imagine we would have picked up Denis Savard that draft insead of Wickenheiser ??
Christ, could have also had Murphy, Coffey or Babych.

Man hindsight sucks.

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Could we stop talking about the 2007 draft? It seriously gives me heartburn every time I see McDonagh's name.

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Whats wrong with the 2005 draft???

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Whats wrong with the 2005 draft???
Well Latendresse and D'Agostini both have run into concussion issues which kinda lessens the impressiveness of the draft to what it could have been.

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Well Latendresse and D'Agostini both have run into concussion issues which kinda lessens the impressiveness of the draft to what it could have been.
And the fact that we traded away 3 out of the 4 players that made the NHL for what amounts to one okay prospect (Palushaj) doesn't help either.

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Which draft was the better for the Habs? Those were the 2 best drafts in recent memory.

Players that have played NHL games...

2007

Ryan McDonagh (39 pts in 119 games... 4th among D-men drafted in 07)
Max Pacioretty (109 pts in 199 games... 8th among those drafted in 07)
PK Subban (75 pts in 157 games... 2nd among D-men drafted in 07... 12th overall)
Yannick Weber (30 pts in 109 games... 6th among D-men drafted in 07)

vs

1998

Eric Chouinard (22 pts in 90 games)
Mike Ribeiro (559 pts in 735 games... 7th in pts among those drafted in 98)
Francois Beauchemin (155 pts in 488 games... 7th in pts among D-men drafted in 98)
Andrei Bashkirov (3 pts in 30 games)
Gordie Dwyer (5 pts in 108 games)
Andrei Markov (368 pts in 633 games... #1 among D-men drafted in 98 and 15th overall)
Michael Ryder (396 pts in 628 games... 14th in pts among those drafted in 98)


I got to go with 1998 for now. 3.5 impact players (98) vs 3 impact players (07).
Sounds like 4 impact players in 1998.

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I picked 2007. McDonagh, Subban and Pacioretty should be core players. That is either first line winger or first pairing d-man. The only one of this caliber from '98 would be Markov. Never really like Riberio that much. Ryder was so-so. Beauchemin didn't like but seen him mostly when he was with the Leafs.

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1998 has 2 top 6 forwards (Ryder & Ribeiro) & 2 top 2 defencemen. 2007 has one 1st line forward (Patches), 2 top 2 defencemen & one PP specialist/6th defenceman. I'd still give it to 1998, but it's getting closer all the time.

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Damn Weber so bad he's 7th in points for Dmans ...
Actually he's 6th.
Actually he,d be 3rd had he played the same numbers of games as the other.

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Weber is very underrated here... if I have to choose between him and Diaz, I keep Weber.

He's obviously not perfect defensively but his production is improving since he was drafted. He's only 23 so there is still room for improvement.

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1998 looks better for now. Who says that the Habs couldn't find some gems...but going forward I think the 4 from 2007 will have a greater impact.


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Chris Chelios would have retired only a few years ago. The dreadful late 90's-early 00's wouldn't of been that bad with a stalwart like Chelios on the backend.
Well, no that's probably not the case. Chelios just would have been traded for someone else. Yes, they liked Denis Savard, but the impetus for Serge Savard trading him was that Chelios in the opinion of the team would not be able to recover from knee surgery. All the rumours said it was Corey's doing because Chelios was partying too much, but Savard insisted that it was Chelios' knee and that the team's medical staff thought that he could not play for much longer.

Certainly would have been a much better team if they kept him, that's for sure.

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I picked 2007. McDonagh, Subban and Pacioretty should be core players. That is either first line winger or first pairing d-man. The only one of this caliber from '98 would be Markov. Never really like Riberio that much. Ryder was so-so. Beauchemin didn't like but seen him mostly when he was with the Leafs.
Its not because you don't like a player that he isn't very productive... It won't be easy surpassing his numbers.

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Imagine we would have picked up Denis Savard that draft insead of Wickenheiser ??
Or Paul Coffey... it was the 1980 draft BTW.

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1998 looks better for now. Who says that the Habs couldn't find some gems...but going forward I think the 4 from 2007 will have a greater impact.




Well, no that's probably not the case. Chelios just would have been traded for someone else. Yes, they liked Denis Savard, but the impetus for Serge Savard trading him was that Chelios in the opinion of the team would not be able to recover from knee surgery. All the rumours said it was Corey's doing because Chelios was partying too much, but Savard insisted that it was Chelios' knee and that the team's medical staff thought that he could not play for much longer.

Certainly would have been a much better team if they kept him, that's for sure.
The medical staff didn't factor in Chelios' insane tolerance to pain. He was able to play well on that bad knee.

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2007... Mcdonagh ...

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What sucks about 98 is we just picked the wrong Rempart.
Each time I see Éric Chouinard's name, I want to cry!

I worked with a former player from the Q and he told me that every player knew, without a doubt, that Simon Gagné was a better choice than Éric Chouinard. He told me that Chouinard had major attitude issues.

I voted 1998 nonetheless. However if the next draft is as good as 2007, I would be a happy fan.


PS on second thought, each time I see Ryan McDonagh's name, I also want to cry!


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