This will depend on the new cba imo. But if you were to ask me right now for a 30 goal 60 point guy who is 21, I would have to offer him 3 years worth 4 million per season.
This will depend on the new cba imo. But if you were to ask me right now for a 30 goal 60 point guy who is 21, I would have to offer him 3 years worth 4 million per season.
I agree.
Something tells me we won't see Kane signed until Sept.
I am hoping that his cap hit doesn't go up a whole ton
3.5-4 over 3 or 4 years
Still leaves him RFA when it is done
Not if its a 4 year deal. That will then be 7 seasons for Kane and he becomes a FA. It would be best to sign him for 2 years so you still have 2 years of RFA left (same as Bogo's contract). I say in the neighborhood of 2 years at 3 - 3.5 per year.
Not if its a 4 year deal. That will then be 7 seasons for Kane and he becomes a FA. It would be best to sign him for 2 years so you still have 2 years of RFA left (same as Bogo's contract). I say in the neighborhood of 2 years at 3 - 3.5 per year.
yeah your right
I forgot he started at 18
As long as the deal leaves RFA time left, I will be content with it.
This is the reason you don't play an 18 year old in the NHL!!!!! You just burn off his RFA years before he is ready to contribute.....Draft them, then back to Junior, then AHL, then NHL is route a player should take....by the time they get to the big club they should be a more polished product that can contribute right away and not burn RFA years
This is the reason you don't play an 18 year old in the NHL!!!!! You just burn off his RFA years before he is ready to contribute.....Draft them, then back to Junior, then AHL, then NHL is route a player should take....by the time they get to the big club they should be a more polished product that can contribute right away and not burn RFA years
Once a player reaches age 20 you are blowing off RFA years by default, as a player who reaches 27 is also an UFA.
Something tells me we won't see Kane signed until Sept.
I'm not so sure waiting for the new CBA would be wise.
The CAP for the summer atleast will be 5-8 million higher and Kane is probably a prime target for an offersheet.
If we go by the current compensation for an offersheet: The Jets would only get a first and a third rounder if someone signed him to a $4.5 million dollar a year deal. They would get a 1st 2nd and a 3rd if some one signed him between 4.5 and 6 a year. Neither of these packages I would deem close to fair value for Kane.
With the CAP increasing for the summer the compensation brackets will change as well.
In my opinion the last thing our management team should do is sit on their hands this summer waiting for a new CBA when it comes to making decisions on signing our players and improving our team.
I would try to get both Kane and Pavelic signed before July 1st when both become eligible for offer sheets.
With the uncertainty of the CBA and new cap.
I don't see anyone in the NHL getting offer sheets
No kidding. Every year we hear about at least 2-3 players who are "prime candidates" for offer sheets, yet come FA season, they resign with minimal difficulty.
It's a bit of an unfounded boogie man, as there's been what...one(maybe two?) meaningful players signed to an offer sheet since the lockout?
It's not nearly as common as us armchair gm's seem to fear it is.
This is the reason you don't play an 18 year old in the NHL!!!!! You just burn off his RFA years before he is ready to contribute.....Draft them, then back to Junior, then AHL, then NHL is route a player should take....by the time they get to the big club they should be a more polished product that can contribute right away and not burn RFA years
Yeah, keep the player from earning a living until it suits the team. This is one of the sticking points I have with the draft system. A 18 yr old for one franchise can make a respectable amount of money for one team but for another he is told to wait and go back eating Kraft dinner.
Goal scoring pays, it's that simple. Kane is far from a complete player but IMO there's no way he gets less than $4.5M/yr. Kessel had a similar breakout year (36G, 60P) in his third season and ended up with $5.4M/yr for 5 years despite being a one-dimensional player who had his work ethic questioned. I expect Kane will finish around 30G, 58P, so anything less than $4.5M/yr would be a surprise.
This is the reason you don't play an 18 year old in the NHL!!!!! You just burn off his RFA years before he is ready to contribute.....Draft them, then back to Junior, then AHL, then NHL is route a player should take....by the time they get to the big club they should be a more polished product that can contribute right away and not burn RFA years
48 goals as a 17 year old in the WHL. He wasn't going back.
lots of good information and if was business as usual I would definitely want Kane on a two year deal..........but.........with the new CBA all bets are off for now.
One of the issues in the CBA it appears both sides have some common ground on (from what I have been told by people on both sides of this) is with 2nd contracts (post entry level). Nobody can tell me how this will get addressed but there could be some modifications put in place to prevent a team from paying a 21 year old Defenseman $7 million a year as one example. It appears there is an appetite in place to create downward pressure on compensation for this group.
If this is one of the areas addressed in the CBA it could make for an interesting negotiation with Kane and Pavs since they would be part of a group of players breaking new ground with their negotiations.
guys I think $4.5 per over the next 2 years is on the rich side.
I see Kane sitting in a pocket higher than Neil and Couture ($3.0 million a year average over the next two years) and lower than Tavares and Kessel ($4.87 million average over the next two years).
I would be surprised if it got over $3.75 average or a $7.5 million 2 year deal.
Tavares is a better and more complete player and putting up 54, 67, and 78 points in his first three seasons in the league has him in a different class at this point in time than Kane 26, 43, 55. As a comp Kane is closer to a Couture or Neil in my opinion but we shall see how it all shakes out.
guys I think $4.5 per over the next 2 years is on the rich side.
I see Kane sitting in a pocket higher than Neil and Couture ($3.0 million a year average over the next two years) and lower than Tavares and Kessel ($4.87 million average over the next two years).
I would be surprised if it got over $3.75 average or a $7.5 million 2 year deal.
Tavares is a better and more complete player and putting up 54, 67, and 78 points in his first three seasons in the league has him in a different class at this point in time than Kane 26, 43, 55. As a comp Kane is closer to a Couture or Neil in my opinion but we shall see how it all shakes out.
If you want less years you gotta pay more money. The deal should be two years, I'd be willing to pay up to 4.2 million. That said if he got offer sheeted at 4.5 then theres no way the Jets don't match.
