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04-03-2012, 08:25 AM
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Top 10 of the highest players of the league

1. Chara, Zdeno Boston Bruins 6'9
2. Myers, Tyler Buffalo Sabres 6'8
3. Boogaard, Derek Minnesota Wild 6'8
4. Scott, John Minnesota Wild 6'8
5. Gill, Hal Nashville Predators 6'7
6. Boyle, Brian New York Rangers 6'7
7. Mihalik, Vladmir Tampa Bay Lightning 6'7
8. MacIntyre, Steve Florida Panthers 6'6
9. Pronger, Chris Philadelphia Flyers 6'6
10. Antropov, Nik Atlanta Thrashers 6'6
What are they smoking? O you mean tallest... Lol

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04-03-2012, 09:12 AM
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Like others have said, 1 year or 2 in the AHL will be perfect for Tinordi and Beaulieu, so glady that Beaulieu can make the early jump the AHL. I think we should take our time with them, a few call ups here and there, but slowly have them replace Kaberle and possible another Vet D-men with might sign this offseason.

IMO next year

Markov-Gorges
Top 4 UFA-Subban
Kaberle-Emelin
Daiz

1-2 years
Tinordi-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Beaulieu-Gorges

mix of size, defense, offensive on each pairing.

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04-03-2012, 09:23 AM
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I'm certain you can take #3 off of that list.

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04-03-2012, 09:30 AM
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No way he makes the NHL next year. I can see 2 years in the AHL imho.

But I'm anxious to see where will be his optimal weight once he fill in?

Sure, he will be a beast!

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04-03-2012, 09:35 AM
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How about waiting until after training camp before having this discussion? That's where players make the team (or not).

The important thing with Tinordi is that he was much better this year and that he is developing. He'll need a good summer of training in order to gain strength and weight. We'll see how he looks in September.

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04-03-2012, 09:40 AM
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DON'T RUSH THE GUY! It's the most common mistake made in the NHL, IMO. D take longer, humongous guys take longer, there is simply no reason to think Tinordi should start in the NHL next year. It's not his fault the org is short of big shutdown d players, and just because we have a hole doesn't mean he's ready to fill it.

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04-03-2012, 09:41 AM
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http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...es-enfants.php

Although it should avoid placing too much importance to the differential of a player, that of Tinordi summarizes its progress very well. He entered last season while at least eight games before yesterday, he was the leader of the Ontario Hockey League with a record of plus 40. (Google Translate)

+40 !!!!
Larry Robinson was +120 one season . . . in the NHL

though +40 is really good

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04-03-2012, 09:44 AM
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I'm certain you can take #3 off of that list.
not if it's an all-time list which I think it is

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Don't put too much faith in Hockeyfutures's analysis tho. Last time I checked, Desharnais was described, at the beginning of the season, as a "complimentary 3rd liner or top-6"

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04-03-2012, 10:07 AM
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Why on earth do people still want us to rush prospects? it worked out so well for us with Latendresse, Patches 1.0 and SK74. How about we let him develop, see how he does in the AHL and then give him a shot.

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04-03-2012, 10:16 AM
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Definitely leave him in the AHL. Let our troops organize and improve together in Hamilton until they're ready.

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04-03-2012, 10:20 AM
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Tinordi could very end up a future captain of this team.

He doesn't have a big shot, but he plays the 2nd PP for London and doesn't look out of place. He won't be a PP guy in the NHL, but he definitely won't be Hal Gill in the offensive zone.

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04-03-2012, 10:34 AM
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no need to rush him...

but within 2-3 years, I see a perfect compliment to Subban...

Tinordi playing the rugged, stay at home, allowing Subban to be as "adventurous" as he wants to be.

Subban - Tinordi
Beaulieu - Gorges
Diaz/Ellis - Emelin


that could be a lights out defense in 3 years from now

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04-03-2012, 10:47 AM
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AHL for at least one year, possibly 2 full seasons.

In the meantime Charlie Coyle and Emerson Etem will light up the goals' lights on a regular basis at NHL level...


When you're drafting guys like Nattinen or Mac Bennett before a local guy like David Savard (already a solid NHL rookie), you're asking for trouble and you backpeddle to find big, talented d-men the following draft.

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04-03-2012, 10:50 AM
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Needs at least a year in the AHL. I don't want him turned into O'byrne 2.0.

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04-03-2012, 11:13 AM
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Larry Robinson was +120 one season . . . in the NHL

though +40 is really good
A huge plus rating ALWAYS means playing for a very-strong to dominant team. That figure musn't be extrapolated to the current Habs, where even Robinson wouldn't rack up +40 or so. Besides, Robinson added to his plus rating with his offense; i wouldn't expect much from Tinordi in that part of the game.

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04-03-2012, 11:16 AM
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People would do well to remember what Komisarek looked like when he got here at first.

Tinordi will probably need 1-2 years in the AHL before getting a regular spot in the lineup.

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04-03-2012, 11:32 AM
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Future:

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu

Book it! We will have one of the best defense core in the league if everyone pans out and hopefully Pateryn, Ellis, Bennet and Dietz make it as NHL'ers one day.

Jarred Tinordi in my opinion is a faster and more talented Hal Gill, Vancouver wanted to move up and draft him in 2010 but did not because they didn't want to trade a 2nd round draft pick away.

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04-03-2012, 11:39 AM
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Big Dmen take time, lets not rush him.
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Give him all the time in the world to develop his game and his confidence in the AHL. His day will come

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04-03-2012, 11:41 AM
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I don't want to see O'Byrne 2, so let him play in Hamilton for a few years.
I think he's more talented than O'Byrne. I like O'Byrne, and I was hoping he'd develop with us. I agree that he was completely mismanaged here, but if given enough ice time and a good role, I feel that Montreal would be a good place for a young defenseman to develop. Also, don't forget that O'Byrne was much older when he joined the Habs. His window of opportunity was much shorter, he had to make his mark asap and failed, so the org traded him before he lost all value.

At the very least, I'd be more confident developing a 20 years old defenseman than a 20 years old forward. I just don't feel we have very good models for a forward to take after. Plekanec is a great player, but (and that is pure speculation) he doesn't strike me as someone who would carry another player under his wing. And as good as Cole as been to Pacioretty, Max was already developing nicely before he was paired to Cole (not that Erik didn't have a great influence on #67).

In the end, if one of the young guys steals a spot at training camp, he will have earned it. So if Tinordi earns a spot, I think it means he belongs in the NHL. Of course, we don't know what management will be like, but for all the hate the previous GMs got, I feel they never made decisions out of training camp that made absolutely no sense.

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London swept Windsor 4 games to none in the opening round of the OHL playoffs. Round two vs Saginaw starts Friday night. Tinordi had 1 assist, was + 1, and had 9 PIM in 4 games

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04-03-2012, 11:52 AM
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no need to rush him...

but within 2-3 years, I see a perfect compliment to Subban...

Tinordi playing the rugged, stay at home, allowing Subban to be as "adventurous" as he wants to be.

Subban - Tinordi
Beaulieu - Gorges
Diaz/Ellis - Emelin


that could be a lights out defense in 3 years from now
Too soon to know but it sounds good. And that's why I think we should be building our team with the future in mind. In 3 years, Max, PK and Price will be better players. Those blueliners will be with our club. We'll have sorted out if Eller and Leblanc are any good. If we start drafting and developing players now to go along with that group we could be a really good team.

Unlike last time though we have to be patient and it would be nice to draft higher. If we do that, I think we've got a really good shot at being a good team down the road. Cross your fingers for a good pick this year.

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Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Emelin NEEDS to play left. You can see that he's not really comfortable playing right. He's a whole lot better when he plays on the left side!

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Emelin NEEDS to play left. You can see that he's not really comfortable playing right. He's a whole lot better when he plays on the left side!
Beaulieu is a leftie too.

People keep forgetting about Ellis, a RH D-man.

Habs had a chance to draft a real good big rightie d-man 3 years ago - David Savard - and have chosen Bennett, a smallish frail guy we won't see - if ever- before another 3 years.

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Better to have both him and Beaulieu get some experience in the AHL before making the jump. The transition from OHL to NHL would be quite a shock for someone not use to the different compete level. We tried rushing Latendresse and that backfired and even Pacioretty found he struggled a lot because he wasn't ready. Next season is frankly a wash. We might make the playoffs but the team is far from ready to do anything. No need to rush the kids.

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Future:

Markov - Emelin
Gorges - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu

Book it! We will have one of the best defense core in the league if everyone pans out and hopefully Pateryn, Ellis, Bennet and Dietz make it as NHL'ers one day.

Jarred Tinordi in my opinion is a faster and more talented Hal Gill, Vancouver wanted to move up and draft him in 2010 but did not because they didn't want to trade a 2nd round draft pick away.
Honestly, if Markov is going well and especially if we are not. I'd like to ship him out at the deadline. You just know a team will grossly overpay for a player of his caliber despite his injury history. Moreover, said injury problems worry me. Look at the disaster our defense was because of how reliant we've been on him. I'd like to groom the kids, in particular Subban and eventually Beaulieu, while saying good bye to the Markov era. Granted, that is only if the return is good.

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