I agree with you. I think Fehr would prefer to leave everything for the most part as is. I still feel the owners are going to try and get some back.
Neither side has even hinted at what they want. My opinion is many owners are concerned with the increase in cap even if it's tied to revenue. Many times a lockout has more to do with small market vs. big market teams.
They are leaving a very short window to get it done unless they plan on extending it another year. Other issues could be,
- Guaranteed contracts
- ElC's
- RFA's and UFA's
- AHL contracts counting against the cap
The Olympics should be a big thing too; a lot of leverage for the owners there.
I wouldn't be horribly shocked if they just let the CBA ride for another year. Even if they negotiate a new deal, there are a bunch of smaller changes that could be made to patch up some of the bigger issues in play. For instance, giving teams the ability to keep paying part of a player's salary after he is traded. That would be a win for big market clubs, small market clubs and players alike. I'd also like to see them make the range from salary floor to ceiling proportional, instead of fixed.
The Olympics should be a big thing too; a lot of leverage for the owners there.
I wouldn't be horribly shocked if they just let the CBA ride for another year. Even if they negotiate a new deal, there are a bunch of smaller changes that could be made to patch up some of the bigger issues in play. For instance, giving teams the ability to keep paying part of a player's salary after he is traded. That would be a win for big market clubs, small market clubs and players alike. I'd also like to see them make the range from salary floor to ceiling proportional, instead of fixed.
I like that idea. May solve some of the issues with players getting dumped in the minors or Europe.
The Olympics - owners better just cave on that one. May have to cut a few games of the schedule for that year with it being in Russia.
He did this job but I would rather have someone compete with Crawford.
Right, so would I. But I doubt I would if Crawford had shown more consistency this year.
Teams with consistently good goalies don't need someone to compete with their starters. You'll won't hear people asking for someone to compete with players like Quick, Price, or Ward. Even when the team in front of them sucks, they're still playing their hearts out.
That was the kind of play I wanted to see from Crawford this year, which after his play down the stretch last year, was something I thought he was very capable of -- though not quite at the level of the guys I just mentioned.
At this point, we clearly need someone who can compete with Crawford. Crow today looks more like a 1a-style starter rather than the clear #1 he seemed to be last year.
If it weren't for questions about Crawford's consistency, I would happily take him back next year.
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At this point, we clearly need someone who can compete with Crawford. Crow today looks more like a 1a-style starter rather than the clear #1 he seemed to be last year.
like you said, Emery is not what our team needs going forward. Sure, if we get a guy like Quick, I'd keep him as backup. We all know that this won't happen and Crawford will stay.
Some good options in goal will be available in the offseason. Few UFAs but some good RFAs. I'd trade a 1st for Bernier or I try to sign a guy like Vokoun. Future chances or proven starter
like you said, Emery is not what our team needs going forward. Sure, if we get a guy like Quick, I'd keep him as backup. We all know that this won't happen and Crawford will stay.
Some good options in goal will be available in the offseason. Few UFAs but some good RFAs. I'd trade a 1st for Bernier or I try to sign a guy like Vokoun. Future chances or proven starter
I'd take Bernier, it would still allow to give Crawford a chance to see if he could bounce back next year and if not the Hawks have a very good young goalie for the foreseeable future.
If you sign Vokoun, he starts so Crawford not only doesn't get his chance and probably loses all confidence because of it and now your paying close to 3 million for a backup. Plus Vokoun will be 36 next year so when he retires in a year or two your back to the same problem you have now.
Oduya would be UFA#1. Emery (or another backup goalie) would be UFA#2. Mayers would be UFA#3.
There would be 4 UFAs if you count Carcillo, who already re-signed.
Why would the Hawks need more UFAs than that?
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u are in love with this team. Man you bring in UFA's every year.
Vokoun enough said
Yeah - I love this team a whole lot more that I did at the beginning of this season. You bring in UFA's to fill needs - which is what I proposed. Oduya has been here for a quarter of the season - so he's almost like bringing in a new UFA, Carcillo is basically the same situation although he played about a third of the season. Mayers played all year, but he meets the neet of a 4th line center who can win faceoffs and play PK. As far as bringing back Emery or acquiring another backup goalie - I said get someone else if you can get them for cheap. If that's Vokoun - cool.
So what other needs do you see that requires bringing in more UFAs than what I listed? I'd rather try Kane at center (again) than bring in a UFA 2C. I think if the Hawks can re-sign Oduya, the defense is pretty set. I just don't see the need for other UFAs.
I'd take Bernier, it would still allow to give Crawford a chance to see if he could bounce back next year and if not the Hawks have a very good young goalie for the foreseeable future.
If you sign Vokoun, he starts so Crawford not only doesn't get his chance and probably loses all confidence because of it and now your paying close to 3 million for a backup. Plus Vokoun will be 36 next year so when he retires in a year or two your back to the same problem you have now.
who says that Vokoun would be the starter for sure? This would be a tandem and the hot hand plays. Q always goes with the hot hand.
Let them battle it out and start the better guy in the POs. Vokoun won't get a 2+ million contract anymore.
our future in goal is something I would handle later, when we actually need something to change.
The only circumstance a contending team should tolerate someone like Emery is if they are spending to the cap, sign him at the minimum and have someone like Ward, who will play 75 games.
The only circumstance a contending team should tolerate someone like Emery is if they are spending to the cap, sign him at the minimum and have someone like Ward, who will play 75 games.
Agreed. Hawks have to bring someone in to compete with Crawford next year. Vokoun, Harding, whoever....can't sign a guy who is only going to play 20 games behind Crawford.
Right, so would I. But I doubt I would if Crawford had shown more consistency this year.
Teams with consistently good goalies don't need someone to compete with their starters. You'll won't hear people asking for someone to compete with players like Quick, Price, or Ward. Even when the team in front of them sucks, they're still playing their hearts out.
That was the kind of play I wanted to see from Crawford this year, which after his play down the stretch last year, was something I thought he was very capable of -- though not quite at the level of the guys I just mentioned.
At this point, we clearly need someone who can compete with Crawford. Crow today looks more like a 1a-style starter rather than the clear #1 he seemed to be last year.
I agree you don't bring in goalies to compete with a solid starter. Just like you don't bring in QB's to screw with your QB's head if your quarterback got you to the Superbowl.
I'm willing to holdoff on goalie decisions at this point. I favor bringing in a free-agent goalie in the offseason. However if Crawford-Emery can get through the first round of the playoffs and finish the second round of the playoffs with a combined .920 % than I wouldn't have any problem bringing them both back. I'm just asking for this....
1. get into the 2nd round of the playoffs the goalies don't even have to get us past the 2nd round.
2. playoff nubers of a .920 save percentage and I bring them both back. I would even round up if they are both at .915
If they are less than those numbers a free-agent goalie is in competing against them.
I agree you don't bring in goalies to compete with a solid starter. Just like you don't bring in QB's to screw with your QB's head if your quarterback got you to the Superbowl.
I'm willing to holdoff on goalie decisions at this point. I favor bringing in a free-agent goalie in the offseason. However if Crawford-Emery can get through the first round of the playoffs and finish the second round of the playoffs with a combined .920 % than I wouldn't have any problem bringing them both back. I'm just asking for this....
1. get into the 2nd round of the playoffs the goalies don't even have to get us past the 2nd round.
2. playoff nubers of a .920 save percentage and I bring them both back. I would even round up if they are both at .915
If they are less than those numbers a free-agent goalie is in competing against them.
Well, "they" is Corey Crawford. And even if he wins the Conn Smythe, I really hope they bring in someone like Harding or Vokoun to play with him.
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My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Marcus Kruger ($0.900m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Brandon Saad ($0.925m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.600m) / Kyle Beach ($1.171m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Erik Christensen ($0.850m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Duncan Keith ($5.538m) / Brent Seabrook ($5.800m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.750m) / Nick Leddy ($1.117m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Steve Montador ($2.750m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.850m) / Dylan Olsen ($0.870m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Josh Harding ($2.750m)
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(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,994,294; BONUSES: $842,500
CAP SPACE (24-man roster): $305,706+
I think this is what we will see for most of the time next year. Beachs Spot could go to Jayes, Morin, Smith, whoever. Olsen in Rockford until we need him. This wouldn't include a Cap Raise and keeps our team together for the most part. Bring in some better depth (In my eyes) and say bye bye to Frolik.
I overpaid for Harding, but he is the guy I would want.
I wonder if Shaw doesn't get a Bickell like deal even though he's restricted. Give him 3 years, $650,000 per....that way hes guaranteed a spot in the NHL but you have him at a very favorable rate.
Any room for Benoit Pouilot if the Bruins don't sign him? He'd be a good depth winger, he's big, fast, and physical and could be had for relatively cheap. 1- 1.5ish
