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04-03-2012, 03:01 PM
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2 years ??


what happened to the "we tank this year, get a great pick and we're back on track" or something... gone already ?


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04-03-2012, 03:03 PM
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No team can guarantee the cup anymore.

Any 100+ point team that gets hot goaltending and suitable matchups can win it all.

Factor in random key injuries.

This year will finish with 10 such teams

NYR
Canucks
Blues
Pens
Flyers
Wings
Preds
Bruins
Hawks
Devils

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04-03-2012, 03:09 PM
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Planning to tank a year in advance to target a specific player has never been done by any team in the NHL. Because it would be that stupid. Even When Pittsburgh got Lemieux (pretty much the only actual example of actual proper tanking that exists) it was only at the end of the season.

All of the variables make it a ridiculous idea. Hell. Columbus are 12 points worse than anyone with 3 games left and still have a less than 50% chance of picking first.

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04-03-2012, 03:12 PM
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Planning to tank a year in advance to target a specific player has never been done by any team in the NHL. Because it would be that stupid. Even When Pittsburgh got Lemieux (pretty much the only actual example of actual proper tanking that exists) it was only at the end of the season.

All of the variables make it a ridiculous idea. Hell. Columbus are 12 points worse than anyone with 3 games left and still have a less than 50% chance of picking first.
There's more value to a tank that the probability of getting McKinnon.

The 2013 draft is supposed to be extremely deep, so we should accumulate as many 1st rounders as possible.

The 2013 UFA class will be one of the best ever, so we don't want to enter it with our entire salary cap used up.

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04-03-2012, 03:13 PM
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Many of you forget how easily and quickly the standings change based on nothing more than the crapshoots of luck and injuries. Last year we finished 6th with 96 points. The difference in personnel? Hamrlik and Wiz. Does anyone seriously believe this year's monumental collapse was due to the absence of these two guys? Plus, last year we didn't even have Cole and a healthy Pacioretty.

The point is our current roster could just as easily lift us back to 90-something points next year, just like the rebounds we've seen with Ottawa and New Jersey. Look at the Rangers and Blues -- who would've predicted these teams would shoot to the top? The lesson is to never, never, never underestimate how slim a margin separates most teams in this league.

Now, all this isn't to say I think the Habs are good to go. Far from it. Yes, we could once again become a bubble playoff team as soon as next year, but to contend we desperately need to find a legit second scoring line, and we desperately need a D that can keep the opposition from buzzing around our zone for two minutes straight. If this is to happen, we need to develop the two or three strong guys we already have in the pipeline, hope to hell we score with this upcoming first round pick, and then stockpile a ton of cash for two years hence when all of this starts to pay off. That's when we sign big names and spend big cash. Tank next year? Not a chance, and we don't need to. Pieces are in place and more pieces are coming our way -- we just need patience and restraint.

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04-03-2012, 03:15 PM
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The 2013 draft is supposed to be extremely deep, so we should accumulate as many 1st rounders as possible.
This time last year the 2012 draft was supposed to be extremely deep.


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The 2013 UFA class will be one of the best ever, so we don't want to enter it with our entire salary cap used up.
Have heard this before also. It looks great now before everyone starts re-signing with their teams.

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04-03-2012, 03:19 PM
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Many of you forget how easily and quickly the standings change based on nothing more than the crapshoots of luck and injuries. Last year we finished 6th with 96 points. The difference in personnel? Hamrlik and Wiz. Does anyone seriously believe this year's monumental collapse was due to the absence of these two guys? Plus, last year we didn't even have Cole and a healthy Pacioretty.
I posted a thread in the summer of last year arguing that the change from Hamrlik/Wisniewski to Markov/Gorges would weaken the team, and the vast majority of posters said I was wrong.

It was a huge difference. Losing Hamrlik was the equivalent of a baseball team losing their ace pitcher.

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04-03-2012, 03:46 PM
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I posted a thread in the summer of last year arguing that the change from Hamrlik/Wisniewski to Markov/Gorges would weaken the team, and the vast majority of posters said I was wrong.

It was a huge difference. Losing Hamrlik was the equivalent of a baseball team losing their ace pitcher.
That's still to be determined though. In addition, Markov and Gorges were still on the team last season. You could argue we went from Hamrlik/Wisniewski to just Gorges, since just like last season, we had no Markov this season. We can also compare what we lost and what we gained? In that case, we went from Hamrlik/Wisniewski to Campoli/Diaz/Emelin. Explains the situation clearly. Hopefully the new management doesn't load the back end with inexperience next season and we won't be a lottery team.

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04-03-2012, 03:49 PM
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Fans won't accept back to back tanking. Simply look at the way our interest for hockey has dropped in the last few weeks.
Exactly !

RDS ratings are a good 200,000-300,000 less viewers per game on average. It will be harder to sell ads

And for Mr.Molson, it will become a huge task filling the Bell Centre and selling beer and ho dogs with a bad on ice products.

Next GM and coach MUST win a.s.a.p. !!!

And I cannot imagine how it's gona be when / IF Nordiques are back .....


By the way, Molson is losing 15 MILIONS in revenue because of the playoffs missing !

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04-03-2012, 03:51 PM
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I posted a thread in the summer of last year arguing that the change from Hamrlik/Wisniewski to Markov/Gorges would weaken the team, and the vast majority of posters said I was wrong.

It was a huge difference. Losing Hamrlik was the equivalent of a baseball team losing their ace pitcher.
I would not go that far... But Hamrlik is certainly a good stopper, or a realiable catcher.

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04-03-2012, 04:00 PM
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I am willing to sacrifice another year or two in order to become a long term contender.
I do not want to see this team become another Burke Era Leaf Team. You see what the quick fix does. We have been living quick fixes for years and look where it got us.

This is the perfect time to finish out of the playoffs for a few years. A new GM will automatically be given one or two years to rebuild the club and if he can come in and manage expectations, he won't be killed in the media for it. And people will show up to the games. They are the only ticket in town (besides the Impact) and people are always going to support the Habs. It is not like we are in Phoenix.

I am of the strong belief that we should be dealing some players like Plekanec, Gionta, Markov, Kaberle, Bourque, Weber, Diaz, Gomez (lol)....pile up draft picks and prospects. Sign some mid-tier UFAs to short contracts in order to fill the void from the players that are traded. Guys that can stick up for the young players and that can teach them how to act and play at the NHL level. These guys could be attractive to other teams at the trade deadline as well.

We already have a first and 3 seconds in 2013, add a few more 2nd round or better picks and we are in good shape to create a big boost of talent for the next 10 years.

I don't think we are a horrible team and have taken one on the chin this year due to ineptitude and injuries. Guys like Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller, Desharnais, Emelin, Gorges, Cole, Leblanc, White, Moen are the kind of guys that you can build around. A good mix of veteran leadership and young exuberance.

I am just scared to death that Burke 2.0 comes into Montreal and we are in the same position in 4 years.

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04-03-2012, 04:05 PM
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We need another horse on defence. Similiar to when they signed Hamrlik five years ago. A world class top 4 defenceman to shore up Markov, Gorges, and Subban. Then pair Emelin with rugged, bottom pairing veteran D and we're good to go. You have one of Weber or Diaz as your seventh.

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Don't want another year like this

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04-03-2012, 05:07 PM
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Maybe Grigorenko is the next Zherdev, Brule, Pouliot, Filatov, Duchesne, Bogosian, Hedman, Van Riemsdyk, Turris, and the list goes on.

Not saying these guys are all busts, but so far they're nothing special.

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04-03-2012, 05:11 PM
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Where is the guarantee that we get Mackinnon? If it were that simple I think the other teams would also be pursuing this route.

Next year we'll be back with a vengeance. Unless Damphousse becomes GM.

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Loled @ ELLER 4th line C
common the organization plans are not eller on 4th line.

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Loled @ ELLER 4th line C
common the organization plans are not eller on 4th line.

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The Edmonton Oilers are currently in year 2 of their 6 years rebuilding plan...

Don't think blowing it up is a good idea.


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04-03-2012, 05:30 PM
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Best example is Detroit. Have made the playoffs for 21 years and still strong!

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I am willing to sacrifice another year or two in order to become a long term contender.
This made me laugh. What are you sacrificing exactly?
Millions of dollars like the owner?
A miserably boring, long and dreadful season like the players?

Ya...you're sacrificing a whole lot buddy..

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04-03-2012, 05:34 PM
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Nobody we draft this year is going to be carrying an NHL team especially anytime soon. Next year will probably be the same situation, even a guy who looks like a true franchise player in Mackinnon probably won't be reaching immediate Crosby level.

We build a team to suck next year, we will get that, and then some.

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04-03-2012, 05:37 PM
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I don't want us to miss the playoffs again next year. Reading the main boards, with everyone getting pumped about matchups and whatnot makes me sad.
Even if we're just 8th, it's still the playoffs y'know. Instead we just got 3 meaningless games remaining.


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Nobody we draft this year is going to be carrying an NHL team especially anytime soon. Next year will probably be the same situation, even a guy who looks like a true franchise player in Mackinnon probably won't be reaching immediate Crosby level.

We build a team to suck next year, we will get that, and then some.
That thinking is what is making the Islanders suffer. They have Tavares and Grabner and still can't make it to an 8th spot. Best way to go far is to systematicly make the playoffs. Players aren't numbers they are people and when they lose they get worst and when they win they get better as simple as that. We tanked this year but there's no reason we shall tank next. I'd prefer finishing 9th next season than 15th.

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You don't tank, but if habs are behind at trade deadline, you sell and that will likely speed up a tank movement, but you don't purposely tank. Don't want to talk about losing until we have to.

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That thinking is what is making the Islanders suffer. They have Tavares and Grabner and still can't make it to an 8th spot. Best way to go far is to systematicly make the playoffs. Players aren't numbers they are people and when they lose they get worst and when they win they get better as simple as that. We tanked this year but there's no reason we shall tank next. I'd prefer finishing 9th next season than 15th.
Next year the focus needs to be on developing what we have. The Islanders, BJs and Oilers are all examples of how consistent losing can hurt. Building a successful team involves creating the right mentality, which can't be done in a losing locker room.

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