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Have to take a break from posting and keeping up with Stars minutia until the draft (or we miraculously make the playoffs) for my own sanity. Don't think I don't love/lurk while I'm gone. See you guys 6/22/12.

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Went ahead and typed it out. Don't flame me too badly.

First off...

Our organization doesn't have the stones to make any of this happen, so don't count on it, this is just what I want. *Even if we clean ship, I doubt a full scale rebuild like this goes down. *So don't go after me too hard.


Let Souray, Petersen, and Burish walk, or try and trade their rights for anything at all. *Just get them out of the organization, I really don't care how.

Dvorak can stay as long as his contract stays below 2 million per.

Resign all of the RFAs. *They all deserve to stay with the team, and have bright futures. *Larsen, Fistric, Bachman, etc. *no problem with any of them, as long as their contracts are reasonable.

Now, for the part that turns into a pipe dream.

Go ahead and flame me, but I'd love to see this happen:

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Jonathan Blum

To
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2012 1st Round Pick
Sheldon Souray (UFA Rights) OR*Troy Vance

We get a young center that can replace Ribs immediately and is only going to get better. *While he may never put up >70 points, he'll be a top 6 center and, with Benn, give us a solid 1-2 punch down the middle.

Blum gives us our 4th true top 4 D-man, and makes Robidas expendable. *I think a Goligoski - Blum pairing could be just what we need, and he's young and still brimming with potential.

Acquiring Wilson fills the hole at center, and Blum gives us great D depth for years to come. *Losing the 1st stings, but it's worth two young players like these.

Souray's rights or Vance are pretty much worth nothing to us right now. *Doubt Vance ever cracks the NHL, and Souray could be a good depth D-man for Nashville to help give them an even stronger PP.


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To
Brenden Morrow

Here, you could really put in any team willing to give up a good young forward prospect for Morrow, I just chose Edmonton as I think they could use the leadership and grittiness Morrow would provide. *But any team works here, and I'd take a mid 1st as well. *Washington would also be a good destination for him as well, and they've got the pieces we should ask for.


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To Anyone:
Steve Ott

Please get Ott off of this team. *He's a detriment, won't ever shut up, and his penalties are getting out of hand. *I'm sick of it, and his spot can easily be filled from within.

As for the draft -*

I'd like to see us package a couple of our 2nd's together, along with a 3rd or whatever else needs to be added and move back into the first round. *If he falls to us or we get high enough, draft Girgensons. *If not, draft Hertl. *Both are big young center prospects who can fill that hole in our prospect pool, and could eventually push Wilson to sing and take the #2 C spot. *

From then on in the draft, I really don't care. *Draft a D-man in the 2nd round, and just look for anyone that falls. *We do need to pick up a goalie in the later rounds, though.

Am I forgetting to get rid of someone? *You bet I am. *Robidas. *To be completely honest, I would just buy him out or bury him in the minors. *We've got the assets to do that now, just not the balls. *Or, if you can get any kind of pick for him, take it. *Pardy can go with him, too.

Finally, with all that cap space cleared up, resign all the RFAs and Benn to whatever he wants. *After that, throw ~8.25 million at Parise. *I think if we want any chance at him coming to Dallas, we'd have to convince him that we'll be contenders in a couple of years and toss some major coin his way. *I'd love Suter as well, I just don't see him as very likely to sign here, and there's always the worry that he's playing over his head with Weber.

So, here's our lineup with Parise:

Parise - Benn - Ryder
Eriksson - Wilson - Smith/Chiasson
Dvorak/FA - Fiddler - Vincour
Nystrom/Sceviour - Wandell - Garbutt
FA/Sceviour

And without:

Eriksson - Benn - Smith/Chiasson
MPS/(Whoever we get for Morrow) - Wilson - Ryder
Dvorak/FA - Fiddler - Vincour
Nystrom/Sceviour - Wandell - Garbutt
Sceviour/FA/Call-Up

The 3rd and 4th lines can be juggled around, but those are the personnel I'd like to see.

Defense will look something like this:

Blum - Goligoski
Fistric - Larsen
Daley - Dillon
Benn

And our goaltenders stay the same.

EDIT - No idea where the random asterisks came from, just ignore them.


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04-04-2012, 02:10 AM
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Anyone who wore a letter heading into this season should be removed from the team.

Anyone who will be a UFA should be allowed to walk.

There, that's a 3rd of the squad turned over. It's a start.
I totally agree. At this point it's not even about culpability as much as it is about change of leadership for its own sake.


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This is where they'll start the plan they've talked about to get the team younger. It seemed like a long shot to make the moves at the deadline, but the thing is for some of the players I don't think they're going to get that much value.
You'd like to think that this was the last ditch chance for this older guard to show the new boss that they have what it takes. If no significant changes happen this offseason then Nieuwendyk will prove himself a weak front office leader. It's not about being buddy buddy with a guy who at one point bled green and gold it's about doing what's best for the organism that is the Dallas Stars. The greater good cannot excell under current circumstances.


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I don't understand how you think a guy deserving of being on the 3rd pairing can also deserve to be on the PP? He's at the very least a 2nd pairing defenseman, I just don't think they've gotten the right partner for him this season.
Bottom pairing guys get PP minutes all the time. It's really no different from bottom pairing defenders who kill penalties. That too happens all the time.

I don't think Goligoski had just a ton of blossoming to do when he was traded. What he was is what he is, a player who is more of a 4th-5th best defenseman on a team that has legitimate expectations of making any noise in the playoffs.

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I totally agree. At this point it's not even about culpability as much as it is about change of leadership for its own sake.




You'd like to think that this was the last ditch chance for this older guard to show the new boss that they have what it takes. If no significant changes happen this offseason then Nieuwendyk will prove himself a weak front office leader. It's not about being buddy buddy with a guy who at one point bled green and gold it's about doing what's best for the organism that is the Dallas Stars. The greater good cannot excell under current circumstances.




Bottom pairing guys get PP minutes all the time. It's really no different from bottom pairing defenders who kill penalties. That too happens all the time.

I don't think Goligoski had just a ton of blossoming to do when he was traded. What he was is what he is, a player who is more of a 4th-5th best defenseman on a team that has legitimate expectations of making any noise in the playoffs.


Exactly what I've been saying all along..

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I think he can still be a top 4 D-man, but I will agree that he definitely isn't meant for the top pair.

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I think he can still be a top 4 D-man, but I will agree that he definitely isn't meant for the top pair.


I would make a snide comment involving 'Sherlock' here, but I won't..heh

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I meant in the future.

That's pretty much what he is now. #2 at absolute best, but only if he's on a pair with a D-man great in his own zone.

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I won't lie, I cant stand the guy. The trade just makes him worse. That's just me..

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That's pretty much what he is now. #2 at absolute best, but only if he's on a pair with a D-man great in his own zone.
Yeah, like with a guy who can play Suter/Chara type defense.

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Yeah, like with a guy who can play Suter/Chara type defense.
Pretty much.

I doubt we'll ever have an actual top pair unless Larsen keeps getting better and finds his offensive game, and we find someone that compliments him well enough.

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If we can't sign Parise I wouldn't mind taking a run at semin. I feel like we've proven we're good at taking immature/lazy players and taking them to the next step, so maybe we can do the same with him. And even if he stays lazy he's the exact type of player to be on benns wing. We all know benn likes to go flying around the zone and make a pass to an open teammate once the entire opposition has closed in on him. From there semin can just catch benns passes and rip em.

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If Dallas trades Morrow ... they won't name a captain right away unless they are ready to give it to Benn, IMO. They'll roll with multiple "A"'s until they are comfortable with giving the "C" to Benn.

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What it boils down to:

In 25 games this season (over 2 stretches of outstanding play) Dallas went 21-3-1.

For the next 55 games Dallas was 21-30-4. They weren't talented enough to win consistently unless their goalie was playing at a Vezina-worthy level. Lehts did that for 2 stretches, and the rest of the time this team was well below .500.

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If we can't sign Parise I wouldn't mind taking a run at semin. I feel like we've proven we're good at taking immature/lazy players and taking them to the next step, so maybe we can do the same with him. And even if he stays lazy he's the exact type of player to be on benns wing. We all know benn likes to go flying around the zone and make a pass to an open teammate once the entire opposition has closed in on him. From there semin can just catch benns passes and rip em.
Depends on how much he costs. I wouldn't give him more than 6.5 max.

And I doubt we show much interest. GMJN sure won't be, and by the time everything gets fixed, he'll be gone.

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Yeah, like with a guy who can play Suter/Chara type defense.
I think the best case scenario for Goligoski is that the Stars treat him like Duncan Keith and find him a "Seabrook" for a defensive partner.

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If Dallas trades Morrow ... they won't name a captain right away unless they are ready to give it to Benn, IMO. They'll roll with multiple "A"'s until they are comfortable with giving the "C" to Benn.
I would bet Ott or Robidas would get the C due to the front office love affair for them both.

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Nieuwendyk - Seems to be slowly turning things around although he has made some questionable decisions. I'd give him another year.

Gulutzan - I think he is a good coach who got his team to about where they should be. The powerplay is a clear problem and theres hardly enough talent for one unit, let alone trying ot spread the best players out. I think he played it pretty safe this season and feel like he can adjust and improve. Give him another year

Stephane Robidas - Get rid of this guy. Running around, whining at refs, turning the puck over. He's is on a sharp decline from his humble high point. If they can't get rid of him at the very least he needs to have a drastically reduced role on this team.

Steve Ott - It is time to move on. Fan favorite for sure but this guy doesn't has gone from super agitator who doesn't score enough to be a top 6 to mediocre agitator who doesnt score enough to be top 6. Too many penalties and has hands of stone. If he sticks around he better be on the third line.

Brenden Morrow - Should start the season in Dallas. If you are going to trade him he needs to come in and play well as I dont think he has much value right now.

Sheldon Souray - Man did his offense drop off the face of the earth or what? Too slow, takes alot of dumb penalties, but he did do a fair job of being physical especially in front of the net. If they keep him around I want to see his minutes reduced.

Adam Burish - let him walk

Toby Petersen - why did I even list him?

Mike Ribeiro - There has got to be a trade out there for him. Year after year he puts up great numbers and we should be able to get good prospects or picks for him.

It is going to be very tough to improve the top 6 via free agency. Parise is a total pipe dream, imo. Id like them to leave at one space so Reilly Smith, Alex Chiasson, or even Scott Glennie can potentially win a top 6 spot.

Defensively I want to see a spot open that guys like Benn and Dillon can fight for. Ryan Suter is probably even more of a pipe dream than Parise is but I think he could be a massive shot in the arm for this defense. If we had to overpay to make a splash I'd prefer Suter be the target over Parise.

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^ Agree with most.

I don't' think Gulutzan is going to magically fix the PP over a season. His PP was atrocious in Austin as well. Joe probably should try to find an assistant coach who is a PP specialist to join the bench. Still wish we had hired MacLean.

As much as I dislike Morrow, I agree he should be given the summer and see what he brings next year. Trading him now will bring back nothing of worth, and you generally don't sell low (should have traded him after 33 goals last season). See what surgery and a possible motivated offseason can do for him. If not ship him at the deadline to a contender.

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Morrow was on of the few bright spots last night.

Knew to just get it on net, hitting hard and often, didn't ***** to the refs, and actually held Ott back from what probably would've been a misconduct.

That Morrow needs to come back next year. Not the Morrow we've seen all year.

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Quite simply, this is a long term project and there are not enough quality free agents to change that. I doubt parise or Suter come here and the drop off is great after that. We need 2 top 6 guys and 2 defenders including a top pairing guy. We have a GM who cannot assess the team or his coaches and who went into the season with Nervous Willie and his magic chalkboard as the most experienced coach. Can Smith or Chaisson help? Probably not much next year and did we really burn a year of Reilly's ELC so he could watch the most important game of the year from the press box? I have contended that Lets is a middle of the pack goalie who can get hot. i am more convinced than ever of that but really that is the least of our worries. Newy continues to be in way over his head and again we seem unlikely to make the playoffs next year unless we make materially changes.

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Quite simply, this is a long term project and there are not enough quality free agents to change that. I doubt parise or Suter come here and the drop off is great after that. We need 2 top 6 guys and 2 defenders including a top pairing guy. We have a GM who cannot assess the team or his coaches and who went into the season with Nervous Willie and his magic chalkboard as the most experienced coach. Can Smith or Chaisson help? Probably not much next year and did we really burn a year of Reilly's ELC so he could watch the most important game of the year from the press box? I have contended that Lets is a middle of the pack goalie who can get hot. i am more convinced than ever of that but really that is the least of our worries. Newy continues to be in way over his head and again we seem unlikely to make the playoffs next year unless we make materially changes.
It will be a long term project but we have to do something to start that project. Letting Grossmann go? I don't know if that was the best move. Not giving up on the playoffs? Not the best move to move forward with. Bringing in Chiasson and giving Oleksiak and Nemeth an opportunity to play NA pro? Great move. One long due.

I would really rather see 3 or 4 more rookies come onto the roster and deal with their growing pains rather than see us throw money at veterans who can't get the job done together.

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Rushing multiple prospect is never a great move, and it rarely makes a team better.

The young guys have to play when they are ready, but it's absurd to pencil in Oleksiak, Nemeth, Chiasson, and I assume you're including Reilly Smith and think that Dallas will be better next year.

You sometimes have players like Jamie Benn that are ready right out of juniors ... and Dallas might, might have another guy in Reilly Smith (at least GMJN said he thinks so). However, you don't panic and blow a good think you've been building for years just because fans get impatient.

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Rushing multiple prospect is never a great move, and it rarely makes a team better.

The young guys have to play when they are ready, but it's absurd to pencil in Oleksiak, Nemeth, Chiasson, and I assume you're including Reilly Smith and think that Dallas will be better next year.

You sometimes have players like Jamie Benn that are ready right out of juniors ... and Dallas might, might have another guy in Reilly Smith (at least GMJN said he thinks so). However, you don't panic and blow a good think you've been building for years just because fans get impatient.
I'm really sort of pencilling in Garbutt for a bigger role, Glennie finally making the jump if he quits being a tool, maybe Reilly Smith. And maybe maybe one of Nemeth or Oleksiak. Chiasson has an outside shot, but we'll see.

Also a reminder that we traded the two guys that should be mainstays on this team... you know, those two guys from the 2005 draft and haven't seen much except Benn come out of the draft in the past 5 years?

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I think the only young guys you can pencil in next year are Smith, Benn and Sceviour. Perhaps Fraser and Dillion too.

Other than that the kids need to play in Austin, with a better coach/system and let that play determine if they're ready or not.

I wouldn't mind going to Florida route, throwing some money at middling guys to fill a few gaps, reach the salary floor but a few trades that bring back a roster player or two along with picks/prospects need to be made. Matt Carle and say Oduya would be an upgrade.

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Oh yes, I completely forgot about Sceviour. I don't think Jordie's going to make the team unless he massively impresses at camp.

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