Realistically speaking, The Oilers wouldn't deal Nugent-Hopkins. Hall is a big question mark right now. Eberle is the guy I'd ask for, straight up. Other than that, I don't see a deal to be made.
Me personally, I wouldn't even trade Bogosian for the Oilers 1st round pick this June, even if it is 1st overall. Will that pick end up being as good or equal to what Bogosian has shown on the ice today and his future potential as an NHL Defenseman? Who knows, but I don't take that risk, not with the direction we're headed and not with the development, strides and play Bogosian has shown us. There is far too much there in Zach Bogosian to give it up and risk it on something in the form of an unknown and unproven draft pick.
#4 is the franchise defenseman here, the same guy that was drafted 3rd Overall for a reason only behind Stamkos and Doughty, could have just as easily went 2nd in that draft and nobody would have blinked an eye.
Realistically speaking, The Oilers wouldn't deal Nugent-Hopkins. Hall is a big question mark right now. Eberle is the guy I'd ask for, straight up. Other than that, I don't see a deal to be made.
Me personally, I wouldn't even trade Bogosian for the Oilers 1st round pick this June, even if it is 1st overall. Will that pick end up being as good or equal to what Bogosian has shown on the ice today and his future potential as an NHL Defenseman? Who knows, but I don't take that risk, not with the direction we're headed and not with the development, strides and play Bogosian has shown us. There is far too much there in Zach Bogosian to give it up and risk it on something in the form of an unknown and unproven draft pick.
#4 is the franchise defenseman here, the same guy that was drafted 3rd Overall for a reason only behind Stamkos and Doughty, could have just as easily went 2nd in that draft and nobody would have blinked an eye.
I'd trade Bogosian for the #1 straight up, but not the #2. I just can't see Yakupov being any worse than a PPG forward, minimum. I can see him hitting 90-100 points with a good center. Grigs doesn't have that potential.
That being said, no team would trade Bogo for those picks after his first couple years.
I'd trade Bogosian for the #1 straight up, but not the #2. I just can't see Yakupov being any worse than a PPG forward, minimum. I can see him hitting 90-100 points with a good center. Grigs doesn't have that potential.
That being said, no team would trade Bogo for those picks after his first couple years.
You're likely correct in your projections of Yakupov, I agree with you.
My opinion stands, and I've watched Zach Bogosian since he entered the OHL, if that's worth anything (not saying it is), is he has all of the tools. Every single one of them. He may not be an ace in a certain area, but he's got the goods to improve and become elite in my opinion.
I still see Bogosian rounding out in the form of Shea Weber, I really do. His offense is going to find it's legs, his skating, shot and offensive tools are too good for it not too, in my opinion. Those are all natural tools. Defensively speaking, i'm not worried in the least. He is well on his way and didn't have a single stretch of games this season where I could say "You know, Bogosian is slumping, he's just not very good out there", he was THAT consistent this season. Which is also a plus because he missed some time with injury on a couple/few occasions but he stepped right back into the mix. Everyone has a moment or two where they do something goofy, everyone has a bad game. Chris Pronger does, Ryan Suter does, Nicklas Lidstrom does, the list goes on. But in terms of game to game consistency and reliability, Bogosian was an ace this year and he has what it takes to be elite for this team. You know you've got what it takes to be "the guy" when the more minutes you play, whether it be 25 or 30+, the better you look. The more minutes Zach Bogosian plays, the better he gets. That speaks volumes. For some defenseman once they hit a certain minute mark, whether it be 20 or 25, they fold like a cheap tent. Zach just gets better.
Whether it be Chris Chelios or Shea Weber, I feel pretty confident Zach will fall somewhere in that mold. So therefore, that is really what it boils down for to me and why I wouldn't trade him for Edmonton's 1st round pick, even if it does end up being Yakupov. Of course Yakupov could be great and score 80+ points. But every team would take a Shea Weber/Chris Chelios too, and if you want to win a Stanley Cup, those defenseman are JUST as important as a flash and dash offensive forward.
hey Had a bad rookie year with an injury but since then he has averaged 72.5 games per season over the next three years which is not bad given how physical he plays.
You're likely correct in your projections of Yakupov, I agree with you.
My opinion stands, and I've watched Zach Bogosian since he entered the OHL, if that's worth anything (not saying it is), is he has all of the tools. Every single one of them. He may not be an ace in a certain area, but he's got the goods to improve.
I still see Bogosian rounding out in the form of Shea Weber, I really do. His offense is going to find it's legs, his skating, shot and offensive tools are too good for it not too, in my opinion. Those are all natural tools. Defensively speaking, i'm not worried in the least. He is well on his way and didn't have a single stretch of games this season where I could say "You know, Bogosian is slumping, he's just not very good out there", he was THAT consistent this season. Everyone has a moment or two where they do something goofy, everyone has a bad game. Chris Pronger does, Ryan Suter does, Nicklas Lidstrom does, the list goes on. But in terms of game to game consistency and reliability, Bogosian was an ace this year and he has what it takes to be elite for this team. You know you've got what it takes to be "the guy" when the more minutes you play, whether it be 25 or 30+, the better you look. The more minutes Zach Bogosian plays, the better he gets. That speaks volumes.
Whether it be Chris Chelios or Shea Weber, I feel pretty confident Zach will fall somewhere in that mold. So therefore, that is really what it boils down for to me and why I wouldn't trade him for Edmonton's 1st round pick, even if it does end up being Yakupov. Of course Yakupov could be great and score 80+ points. But every team would take a Shea Weber/Chris Chelios too, and if you want to win a Stanley Cup, those defenseman are JUST as important as a flash and dash offensive forward.
Totally agree. Not to mention, given age, Bogosian will hit that Shea Weber/Chris Chelios level a good 3 years before Nail Yakupov hits his 90+ point campaigns (If he hits them).
Totally agree. Not to mention, given age, Bogosian will hit that Shea Weber/Chris Chelios level a good 3 years before Nail Yakupov hits his 90+ point campaigns (If he hits them).
Agree, Grind.
I will stop rambling on after this ... but with Bogosian showing so much at 21 years of age this season, I can't wait to see him when he's 26-28 and entering the best years of his career. And that isn't for another 5-7 years yet.
I could also very well be wrong in what I believe Zach Bogosian will round out to be. I'm not intending or trying to pump his tires or make him out to be something he isn't or won't be. But I feel pretty confident he'll be a legitimate and elite defenseman in the NHL, a true #1 guy, and a potential Norris candidate.
You're likely correct in your projections of Yakupov, I agree with you.
My opinion stands, and I've watched Zach Bogosian since he entered the OHL, if that's worth anything (not saying it is), is he has all of the tools. Every single one of them. He may not be an ace in a certain area, but he's got the goods to improve.
I still see Bogosian rounding out in the form of Shea Weber, I really do. His offense is going to find it's legs, his skating, shot and offensive tools are too good for it not too, in my opinion. Those are all natural tools. Defensively speaking, i'm not worried in the least. He is well on his way and didn't have a single stretch of games this season where I could say "You know, Bogosian is slumping, he's just not very good out there", he was THAT consistent this season. Everyone has a moment or two where they do something goofy, everyone has a bad game. Chris Pronger does, Ryan Suter does, Nicklas Lidstrom does, the list goes on. But in terms of game to game consistency and reliability, Bogosian was an ace this year and he has what it takes to be elite for this team. You know you've got what it takes to be "the guy" when the more minutes you play, whether it be 25 or 30+, the better you look. The more minutes Zach Bogosian plays, the better he gets. That speaks volumes.
Whether it be Chris Chelios or Shea Weber, I feel pretty confident Zach will fall somewhere in that mold. So therefore, that is really what it boils down for to me and why I wouldn't trade him for Edmonton's 1st round pick, even if it does end up being Yakupov. Of course Yakupov could be great and score 80+ points. But every team would take a Shea Weber/Chris Chelios too, and if you want to win a Stanley Cup, those defenseman are JUST as important as a flash and dash offensive forward.
100% agree
Love Nail but Zach took a quantum leap this season. It always surprises me when people speak of other young D men or prospects and they are usually older than Zach.
Putting aside the fact that as a 21 year old he is arguably our top shut down D man already and the fact that with almost zero time on the 1st PP unit he would have had 35 points this season (If he played the full year). Put aside that I believe he has a massive upside for a moment. How often is this going to happen in a guy that is a perfect cultural fit for TNSE and Winnipeg. A true leader that is a small town down to earth guy and loves playing and living here. That is a kicker that you just can’t turn away from.
Given his talent, drive, attitude, and cultural fit Zach is as close to an untouchable as we have on our team.
no way I do this for Edmonton's 1st pick all due respect to Nail
Doing an interesting comparison between Zach Bogosian and Shea Weber, I'll have a full post on it soon but to give you the quick details. In their 4th seasons in the NHL they played a similar level of competition and generated somewhat similar results, the difference being Zach is 21 while Shea was 23.
Doing an interesting comparison between Zach Bogosian and Shea Weber, I'll have a full post on it soon but to give you the quick details. In their 4th seasons in the NHL they played a similar level of competition and generated somewhat similar results, the difference being Zach is 21 while Shea was 23.
His injury issues are a lot less severe than Hall's. Plus an 81 game season is pretty close, but who's counting
Yeah, and look at how Fehr played when he came back from his off season shoulder surgery. That's something that could be in store for Hall. Just the overall lack of strength in that arm and not being able to shoot the puck like you're accustomed to will hinder his game. Not to mention having the confidence going into the corners against much bigger defensemen and taking hits from them.
Not much more to add. I guess the OT got his answer. I didn't get my Bogo jersey because it was hanging on the rack. I expect him to be a Jet for the forseable future.
Yeah, and look at how Fehr played when he came back from his off season shoulder surgery. That's something that could be in store for Hall. Just the overall lack of strength in that arm and not being able to shoot the puck like you're accustomed to will hinder his game. Not to mention having the confidence going into the corners against much bigger defensemen and taking hits from them.
After Fehr had his first surgery he came back and had a career high in points and goals. It was his second surgery that he did not have a strong comeback from. But on this note I think that Hall and Fehr's situation is a little different. Different surgeries all together if I recall.
Fehr came back from both surgeries within 1-2 months of having it. Hall's projected recovery time is 4-6 months.
As for Bogo, I just wanted to gauge what his value is worth compared to last off season. Oilers will more than likely be looking to add a top 4 dman this offseason, unfortunately Bogo won't be the guy if that is the asking price. Thanks for the input.
After Fehr had his first surgery he came back and had a career high in points and goals. It was his second surgery that he did not have a strong comeback from. But on this note I think that Hall and Fehr's situation is a little different. Different surgeries all together if I recall.
Fehr came back from both surgeries within 1-2 months of having it. Hall's projected recovery time is 4-6 months.
As for Bogo, I just wanted to gauge what his value is worth compared to last off season. Oilers will more than likely be looking to add a top 4 dman this offseason, unfortunately Bogo won't be the guy if that is the asking price. Thanks for the input.
Bogo's likely to be closer to "franchise" dman the "top 4 d". That being said, if oilers gm actually is shopping the package you mentioned, he should certainly bea ble to land a top 4, just maybe not a potential cornerstone or top 2.
Bogo's likely to be closer to "franchise" dman the "top 4 d". That being said, if oilers gm actually is shopping the package you mentioned, he should certainly bea ble to land a top 4, just maybe not a potential cornerstone or top 2.
Thats what the Oilers need tho they have a great crop of young d-Men but no consensus #1 guy... But they will get that in the draft this year I know a lot of Oiler fans (Formerly like myself) want too see them making the playoffs next year but it just isnt happening they need too stick too the plan.
As for Bogosian... THANK GOD the Thrashers never traded him the only guy id love too have in the rumors would have been Smid but we already have that player in Mark Stuart.
Count me in the camp that thinks Bogo can be better then Weber
... but with Bogosian showing so much at 21 years of age this season, I can't wait to see him when he's 26-28 and entering the best years of his career. And that isn't for another 5-7 years yet.
