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04-04-2012, 08:41 AM
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Top 7 contract in the league folks. If he was doing any less it would be a disaster.

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04-04-2012, 09:14 AM
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Richter was a free agent signing with the Nashville expansion draft/offseason

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Top 7 contract in the league folks. If he was doing any less it would be a disaster.
It would be what the Rangers have been doing for 10 years or so. (Lindros, Bure,etc)

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04-04-2012, 09:27 AM
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Honorable (early) mention: Brad Richards whose locker room presence has been applauded by quite a few of his teammates this year and probably a big reason for being #1 in the East. He's been a monster since March (along with Gaborik).
I believe they were #2 and #3 in points for the month of March in the league behind Malkin.

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Gaborik and Graves are two very different signings.

Gaborik and Gretzky are the two best examples of great signings for established performance. Ray Ferraro is an honorable mention. He was very good in the short stint he was here, but wasn't here long enough to put in this category. I'll always remembering him jumping in order to rabbit punch Enrico Ciccone in the face.

Graves is an example of a player signed for potential. Did anyone really expect him to jump from 7 to 26 goals? And as far as this category is concerned, we have to talk about Dan Girardi too.

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Adam Graves and it shouldn't be close.

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04-04-2012, 11:05 AM
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it's too bad this is about signings only. Jaromir Jagr had the single most dominant season by a New York Ranger I have ever seen. By far, far and away over anything else. Graves had help, Leetch had help. Jagr did it all alone. The guy doesn't deserve to be booed the way he does when he comes back.

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Graves, Gretzky, Gaborik, are probably the keys. Girardi is moving up on the list. I believe Richards will go down as one of the most important transactions in franchise history. There is a pathetic paucity of top line playmaking centers in this franchise's history, something that probably has a lot to do with the similarly pathetic paucity of championships.

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it's too bad this is about signings only. Jaromir Jagr had the single most dominant season by a New York Ranger I have ever seen. By far, far and away over anything else. Graves had help, Leetch had help. Jagr did it all alone. The guy doesn't deserve to be booed the way he does when he comes back.
Significant rules changes leading to increased scoring league wide had something to do with that. And the aforementioned great free agent signings all helped this team. Jagr's acquisition made no sense and only allowed this team to delay the inevitable. Also, thanks to the "success" of the team, it indirectly led to Gomez, Drury, and Redden being signed. Or, three of the WORST free agent signings in franchise history.

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it's too bad this is about signings only. Jaromir Jagr had the single most dominant season by a New York Ranger I have ever seen. By far, far and away over anything else. Graves had help, Leetch had help. Jagr did it all alone. The guy doesn't deserve to be booed the way he does when he comes back.
Agreed 100%, we sound like Philly fans when we boo him.

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Graves, Gretzky, Gaborik, are probably the keys. Girardi is moving up on the list. I believe Richards will go down as one of the most important transactions in franchise history. There is a pathetic paucity of top line playmaking centers in this franchise's history, something that probably has a lot to do with the similarly pathetic paucity of championships.



Significant rules changes leading to increased scoring league wide had something to do with that. And the aforementioned great free agent signings all helped this team. Jagr's acquisition made no sense and only allowed this team to delay the inevitable. Also, thanks to the "success" of the team, it indirectly led to Gomez, Drury, and Redden being signed. Or, three of the WORST free agent signings in franchise history.
Graves, Gretzky, Gaborik, Girardi. The 4G Network!

BTW, what inevitable did Jagr delay, 1 9th place finish? You make it sound like we ended up rebuilding for a decade.

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Graves, Gretzky, Gaborik, Girardi. The 4G Network!

BTW, what inevitable did Jagr delay, 1 9th place finish? You make it sound like we ended up rebuilding for a decade.
We would've been putrid in 2004-05. Likely a top-5 picking team. Sather brought some players in during the 05 offseason to make Jagr more comfortable, and that combined with Lundqvist's emergence led Sather to think we were better than we really were. That led to more mediocrity.

What was delayed was a season like last year's. Picking higher generally accelerates a rebuild. As it was, the competitive rebuild took 6 years.

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and we integrated youth all along the way, guys like Callahan, Dubinsky, Lundqvist, Staal, Girardi, they all started under a culture that was winning more than it was losing.

Im just fine with the way things went.

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So am I. Things could've been very different and slightly accelerated, but things turned out just fine.

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You guys are fine with how it went because it all worked out in the end. Luckily, Brad Richards was there. Not so sure it would have worked out nearly as well if he wasn't. Of course, we could have just not signed Jagr and friends and gotten a top draft pick or two, thus negating the need to be incredibly lucky just to sign a 31 year old player to a long term contract.

Backwards rebuild, backwards roster construction, and long, frustrating wait filled with awful, awful, boring hockey. 2008-09 is the most boring season of Rangers hockey I've ever witnessed. The seasons immediately before and after were not much better. And that's despite the fact that I was watching Lundqvist and Callahan, two of my all-time favorite players at this point, developing.

All of this is contingent on Richards being signed. Fortunately, it all came together at the right time. It could very easily not have. There have not been any players like Richards available on the free agent market over the last few seasons, and I don't know that there will be any in the next few seasons. He was the one guy, and we got him. I daresay he's more important than Gaborik, and if he can give us 3-5 really good seasons, he will be.

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Lets keep things in perspective. Messier is #1

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Lets keep things in perspective. Messier is #1
He was a trade.

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Graves, Gretzky, Gaborik, are probably the keys. Girardi is moving up on the list. I believe Richards will go down as one of the most important transactions in franchise history. There is a pathetic paucity of top line playmaking centers in this franchise's history, something that probably has a lot to do with the similarly pathetic paucity of championships.



Significant rules changes leading to increased scoring league wide had something to do with that. And the aforementioned great free agent signings all helped this team. Jagr's acquisition made no sense and only allowed this team to delay the inevitable. Also, thanks to the "success" of the team, it indirectly led to Gomez, Drury, and Redden being signed. Or, three of the WORST free agent signings in franchise history.
that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't be booed, that he was a workhorse that year with very little help, and had one of the greatest seasons in nyr history (regardless of rule changes and higher scoring totals)

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that doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't be booed, that he was a workhorse that year with very little help, and had one of the greatest seasons in nyr history (regardless of rule changes and higher scoring totals)
Never said he should be booed, just that the "greatness" of his season should be looked at within a grander context.

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We would've been putrid in 2004-05. Likely a top-5 picking team. Sather brought some players in during the 05 offseason to make Jagr more comfortable, and that combined with Lundqvist's emergence led Sather to think we were better than we really were. That led to more mediocrity.

What was delayed was a season like last year's. Picking higher generally accelerates a rebuild. As it was, the competitive rebuild took 6 years.
I know that we have more money than Edmonton and the Islanders but there's no guarantee that we wouldn't have waited 6 years for a season like this year's either way. Who knows if Gaborik and Richards sign with a rebuilding team. I personally would rather see 6 years of mediocrity (and the 05-06 season was not mediocre for the most part, the 07 and 08 playoffs were fun to watch) than 6 years of terrible hockey.

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You guys are fine with how it went because it all worked out in the end. Luckily, Brad Richards was there. Not so sure it would have worked out nearly as well if he wasn't. Of course, we could have just not signed Jagr and friends and gotten a top draft pick or two, thus negating the need to be incredibly lucky just to sign a 31 year old player to a long term contract.

Backwards rebuild, backwards roster construction, and long, frustrating wait filled with awful, awful, boring hockey. 2008-09 is the most boring season of Rangers hockey I've ever witnessed. The seasons immediately before and after were not much better. And that's despite the fact that I was watching Lundqvist and Callahan, two of my all-time favorite players at this point, developing.

All of this is contingent on Richards being signed. Fortunately, it all came together at the right time. It could very easily not have. There have not been any players like Richards available on the free agent market over the last few seasons, and I don't know that there will be any in the next few seasons. He was the one guy, and we got him. I daresay he's more important than Gaborik, and if he can give us 3-5 really good seasons, he will be.
If you were bored say from 06-07 through 08-09, imagine how you would have felt with a rebuild. At least we were winning those seasons. This year the Rangers are far from the most exciting team too.

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Adam Graves and it shouldn't be close.
There is a bit of an asterisk w/ acquiring Graves, as he was a RFA, and not a UFA. The Rangers offer-sheeted Graves w/ a 5 yr contract (2.44 million) and had to give Edmonton compensation (Troy Malette).

I consider offer sheets to be closer to a trade than a free agent signing.

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Graves, Gretzky, Gaborik, are probably the keys. Girardi is moving up on the list. I believe Richards will go down as one of the most important transactions in franchise history. There is a pathetic paucity of top line playmaking centers in this franchise's history, something that probably has a lot to do with the similarly pathetic paucity of championships.



Significant rules changes leading to increased scoring league wide had something to do with that. And the aforementioned great free agent signings all helped this team. Jagr's acquisition made no sense and only allowed this team to delay the inevitable. Also, thanks to the "success" of the team, it indirectly led to Gomez, Drury, and Redden being signed. Or, three of the WORST free agent signings in franchise history.
That 06-07 team had a very good shot at making the finals if Drury doesn't tie game 6 with 7 seconds remaining. We got some good, competitive years out of Jagr and his gang. I wouldn't trade those for higher draft picks any day.

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That 06-07 team had a very good shot at making the finals if Drury doesn't tie game 6 with 7 seconds remaining. We got some good, competitive years out of Jagr and his gang. I wouldn't trade those for higher draft picks any day.
Finals or conference finals? IMO, there's no way they beat Ottawa in the conference finals.

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it's too bad this is about signings only. Jaromir Jagr had the single most dominant season by a New York Ranger I have ever seen. By far, far and away over anything else. Graves had help, Leetch had help. Jagr did it all alone. The guy doesn't deserve to be booed the way he does when he comes back.
Ehhhhh Jagr did have Nylander and Straka. While he certainly helped them more than vice versa, those two guys were really quite good and their style of play helped Jagr a lot


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Those are good numbers from Straka

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Same for Nylander.

I can't say that Jagr had no help, he had a couple of guys that meshed with him very well and that certainly helped

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