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03-30-2012, 01:06 PM
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Elliott should not even be in the picture with the miniscule amount of GP. Would be a joke and a sham.

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Malkin should win the Hart and deservedly so. IMo it should be a landslide.

My three Hart finalist are:

1) Malkin
2) Giroux
3) Lundqvist or Quick.

Look at what the Flyers dealt with this season -- horrid goaltending for 3/4 of the season, massive injuries to defense corps, getting younger. And they are about to have a 100-point season in spite of all that.

IMO Giroux is the best all-around player in the NHL.

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03-30-2012, 02:07 PM
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vezina voting should go:
1. lundqvist
2. quick
3. elliott

hart:
1. malkin
2. stamkos
3. lundqvist
Hank is definitely ahead of Stamkos, TB isn't even in a playoff spot, let alone contention

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03-30-2012, 02:08 PM
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Honestly, as a huge fan of Lundqvist, I'm half and half on him deserving the Vezina. Lundqvist has slumped in his post all-star stint through the month of March. In comparison, there has not been a single month where Quick has had a legitimate slump. That said, Quick has been more consistent throughout the 11-12 season.

Quick
65GP (33-21-11) 1.93GAA .930SV% 9SO

Lundqvist
58GP (37-16-5) 1.93GAA .932SV% 8SO

Lundqvist's worst statistical month by SV% (March)
12GP (7-4-1) 2.62GAA .894SV%

Quick's worst statistical month by SV% (March)
11GP (8-3-0) 1.98GAA .921SV% 2SO

I'm confident Lundqvist will win the Vezina, because it is "his turn" and has the reputation. And I'm extremely happy that Lundqvist has a good shot at finally winning a Vezina (we all know the man deserves it). But when I look at it objectively, even as a Lundqvist fan, I have to give Quick recognition. I believe both are deserving of the Vezina, and I think Quick might actually have the edge.

One reason I'd consider giving Lundqvist the edge is looking at the Conference / Division he plays in. The Western Conference, in general, plays a more defensive style. The Eastern Conference has scored a total of 3,262 goals in comparison to the Western Conference's total of 3,060 (6.19% more GF). Than factor in Quick plays in an overall much weaker division and you can argue the scales tip in Lundqvist's favor.


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03-30-2012, 02:47 PM
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There is no chance he will win the Hart. If any goalie wins it, it should go to Quick, and it's really not even close.

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Considering that Malkin will most likely end the year with 50 G/100 Pts, the Hart has his name on it. As for the Vezina, I don't see why Quick should win it over Hank. Yes they have identical stats but seriously.....Atlantic vs. Pacific. Its really not even close.

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03-30-2012, 03:45 PM
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Lol the Atlantic has half of the top 6 teams in the league, why is quick even in the conversation?

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Hank needs three very strong games (and at least one more shutout) to have a shot at the Vezina. At this point it's going to Quick, whose stats are already superior to Hank's. The tougher division/conference argument ain't gonna fly.

Sad, and also reminiscent of Jagr in 2005-6.

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04-03-2012, 01:58 PM
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Hank needs three very strong games (and at least one more shutout) to have a shot at the Vezina. At this point it's going to Quick, whose stats are already superior to Hank's. The tougher division/conference argument ain't gonna fly.

Sad, and also reminiscent of Jagr in 2005-6.
Disagree. I think the GMs will give the Vezina to Henrik on reputation. Their stats are practically identical, with Henrik have an edge in wins and a slight edge in save %, and Quick having an edge in shutouts and a slight edge in GAA.

I think stuff like the Winter Classic will play to Henrik's favor, too. My guess is that a lot of GMs in the West will go for Quick, while GMs in the East will pick Henrik. The difference will be that the Atlantic division gets so much talk as a great division, with so much media attention focused on the Rangers, Penguins, and Flyers, that GMs in the West are more likely to think about its strength.

Even during his slump, guys like McKenzie were basically saying it was Henrik's this year.

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[QUOTE=Shadowrunner;47212075Quick, whose stats are already superior to Hank's. .[/QUOTE]

No they're not...

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Hank for Vezina for sure. Malkin will win the Hart but Hank might get a nod of recognition for it.
Stamkos?

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Stamkos?
Stamkos will too i never said he wouldn't but he won't win

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Hank needs three very strong games (and at least one more shutout) to have a shot at the Vezina. At this point it's going to Quick, whose stats are already superior to Hank's. The tougher division/conference argument ain't gonna fly.

Sad, and also reminiscent of Jagr in 2005-6.
Atlantic >> Pacific

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For the sake of laughs, imagine if Smith came out of absolutely NOWHERE and all the GMs voted for Mike Smith? I wouldn't even be mad.

Edit:Holy hell he took the reigns in that game and pretty much forced himself into the top 5 Save% with an amazing .929 for someone who looked like a mediocre-decent starter. It sucks the situation Phoenix is in.

Edit 2: Make that every major Goalie category except GAA.

Next major trade for Philly will be Hartnell, Simmonds, and Read for Smith


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For the sake of laughs, imagine if Smith came out of absolutely NOWHERE and all the GMs voted for Mike Smith? I wouldn't even be mad.

Edit:Holy hell he took the reigns in that game and pretty much forced himself into the top 5 Save% with an amazing .929 for someone who looked like a mediocre-decent starter. It sucks the situation Phoenix is in.

Edit 2: Make that every major Goalie category except GAA.

Next major trade for Philly will be Hartnell, Simmonds, and Read for Smith
Ha, I would think Philly has had enough with Phoenix goalies.

btw, last night showed again why the Vezina should be all Lundqvist's.A strong game like that at this late stage in the season, against a division rival, to clinch the east should help him. Assuming he sits against Pittsburgh and plays Sat. against Washington and has a great game there then he should be on the top of the GM's voting. What have you done for me lately type of mentality.
Honestly, even with Quick's numbers I just don't see Hank not winning it this year. He has been a runner up numerous times and as we have seen in the past this trophy has a lot to do with name recognition (Brodeur) and there is no bigger name in the race than Lundqvist. If Quick is a runner up 3 or 4 seasons, then he might have a case, is it the way it should be? No. But that is the way it is.

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Malkin or Stamkos will win the Vezina

No, but really... I hope that Hank gets it this year, but it would be damn typical if Quick got away with it. This season has been unreal for us really. Who thought this after 10 games into the season? I know I wasn't expecting it...

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San Jose better play with piss and vinegar these next two games.

"You want the playoffs? You want the division?! Quick's in the way. ****ing bombard him with 50+ shots a game!"

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Why I think Lundqvist will finally win:

Aside from the #'s, where he's up there in every category:

Toughest division in the sport with 3 100+ point teams in the Atlantic.
2/3 of the highest scoring teams are in our conference and we play them 12 times.
The other highest scoring team is Boston and we played them 4 times.
#1 seed in the East.
Quick plays in the weakest division in the league - the top four teams have a combined goal differential of a +31. Atlantic top 4? +150.

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Why I think Lundqvist will finally win:

Aside from the #'s, where he's up there in every category:

Toughest division in the sport with 3 100+ point teams in the Atlantic.
2/3 of the highest scoring teams are in our conference and we play them 12 times.
The other highest scoring team is Boston and we played them 4 times.
#1 seed in the East.
Quick plays in the weakest division in the league - the top four teams have a combined goal differential of a +31. Atlantic top 4? +150.
yep, and up front, talent wise, i'd say the Rangers are 3rd or 4th in the Atlantic. Henrik changes so much of that. He's the reason we're number 1...that and the guy behind the bench.

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I assume the picture on Flyers board came from you guys, if not, check it out, it is fantastic

The Hank in the Most interesting man in the world pic !!

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Why I think Lundqvist will finally win:

Aside from the #'s, where he's up there in every category:

Toughest division in the sport with 3 100+ point teams in the Atlantic.
2/3 of the highest scoring teams are in our conference and we play them 12 times.
The other highest scoring team is Boston and we played them 4 times.
#1 seed in the East.
Quick plays in the weakest division in the league - the top four teams have a combined goal differential of a +31. Atlantic top 4? +150.
Thanks for the stats. If Hank doesn't win this it will be absurd.

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Dave Lozo at nhl.com votes for Quick as the Vezina winner. In my mind, winning the East cements Hank for the Vezina. I still argue that Hank deserves strong consideration for the Hart. Without Hank we may be a marginal playoff contender

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Why I think Lundqvist will finally win:

Aside from the #'s, where he's up there in every category:

Toughest division in the sport with 3 100+ point teams in the Atlantic.
2/3 of the highest scoring teams are in our conference and we play them 12 times.
The other highest scoring team is Boston and we played them 4 times.
#1 seed in the East.
Quick plays in the weakest division in the league - the top four teams have a combined goal differential of a +31. Atlantic top 4? +150.
Weakest division? Based on goals differentials for the top 4? Southeast is combined -100, NW is -30. But maybe your are referring to something else?

Sorry for intruding, but got me wondering. As for the Vezina, both Lundqvist and Quick deserves to be in the discussion, with Lundqvist being the favourite. If Quick plays outstanding in the final 2 games, he probably have a better chance of getting it.

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Weakest division? Based on goals differentials for the top 4? Southeast is combined -100, NW is -30. But maybe your are reffering to something else?

Sorry for intruding, but got me wondering. As for the Vezina, both Lundqvist and Quick deserves to be in the discussion, with Lundqvist being the favourite. If Quick plays outstanding in the final 2 games, he probably have a better chance of getting it.
No. It's not the weakest, but it's a lollipop division compared to the Atlantic either way.

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Weakest division? Based on goals differentials for the top 4? Southeast is combined -100, NW is -30. But maybe your are referring to something else?

Sorry for intruding, but got me wondering. As for the Vezina, both Lundqvist and Quick deserves to be in the discussion, with Lundqvist being the favourite. If Quick plays outstanding in the final 2 games, he probably have a better chance of getting it.
Yeah, forgot the Southeast completely. Whoops.

Still, Atlantic > any other division in the sport. By a mile.

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