Kane is going to want some big dollars here. 30G this year equates to 4-5M a year. Consider Ladd and Buff's contract and he's worth more, even as a RFA on this team. Can't break the bank but he'll likely get a 2 yr - $9M deal. If he stays consistent and puts up pts - he'll get a lot more the next time around. I'm more worried about Pav (could ask for A LOT more) and our UFA ...
Kane is going to want some big dollars here. 30G this year equates to 4-5M a year. Consider Ladd and Buff's contract and he's worth more, even as a RFA on this team. Can't break the bank but he'll likely get a 2 yr - $9M deal. If he stays consistent and puts up pts - he'll get a lot more the next time around. I'm more worried about Pav (could ask for A LOT more) and our UFA ...
Actually, Pavs contract situation might prove a bit difficult. His stats are not that good, but anyone who watched him play this year knows how good he has been. I have no idea how much he will get. Would like to see him get a long contract though.
Actually, Pavs contract situation might prove a bit difficult. His stats are not that good, but anyone who watched him play this year knows how good he has been. I have no idea how much he will get. Would like to see him get a long contract though.
Agreed, he doesn't have the stats to be able to demand big money but he is also quite clearly better than the stats indicate. It will be interesting to see what he gets. For my monney I can't see it being anything more than 3.5 million a year on a 4 year deal.
Lol, so on one hand you are saying that the team needs to spend more money to be more competitive, and on the other you say to lowball Kane with that offer or trade him.
Tough call on kane. Do you give him a 2 - year contract at $4 - 4.5 million per season hoping he continues to mature into a more well-rounded player and a possible 40 goal scorer, only having to follow up with a $6+ million per year contract due to the improvement in his game?
Or do you give him a long-term contract right now (at 6 - 7 seasons) , overpaying him short-term (at $5.0 - 5.5 million per season) based on this past season, but underpaying him long-term, assuming he becomes a perennial 40-goal scorer each season..which would normally justify a contract at $6.5 - 7.5 million - see Gaborik and Iginla?
On the other hand, a short-term 2 - year contract could be advantageous, as Kane may not improve upon his 30-goal season or improve his passing and defense. In such a scenario, a long-term deal for $5 + million per season could be seen as a bad investment.
Me personally, I would be willing to take a chance on a long-term deal at 7 years for 36.75 million or $5.25 million per season. Slight overpayment for his current stats, but sometimes you need to take chances to benefit your team long-term. Again, if Kane becomes a 40-goal scorer, such a deal would constitute a steal for Winnipeg and would free up cap space to resign other UFAs and RFAs or perhaps sign gree agents.
Of course, this presupposes that Kane and his agent are willing to sign a deal that extends into his UFA years. Maybe he won't be willing to do this?
Tough call on kane. Do you give him a 2 - year contract at $4 - 4.5 million per season hoping he continues to mature into a more well-rounded player and a possible 40 goal scorer, only having to follow up with a $6+ million per year contract due to the improvement in his game?
Or do you give him a long-term contract right now (at 6 - 7 seasons) , overpaying him short-term (at $5.0 - 5.5 million per season) based on this past season, but underpaying him long-term, assuming he becomes a perennial 40-goal scorer each season..which would normally justify a contract at $6.5 - 7.5 million - see Gaborik and Iginla?
On the other hand, a short-term 2 - year contract could be advantageous, as Kane may not improve upon his 30-goal season or improve his passing and defense. In such a scenario, a long-term deal for $5 + million per season could be seen as a bad investment.
Me personally, I would be willing to take a chance on a long-term deal at 7 years for 36.75 million or $5.25 million per season. Slight overpayment for his current stats, but sometimes you need to take chances to benefit your team long-term. Again, if Kane becomes a 40-goal scorer, such a deal would constitute a steal for Winnipeg and would free up cap space to resign other UFAs and RFAs or perhaps sign gree agents.
Of course, this presupposes that Kane and his agent are willing to sign a deal that extends into his UFA years. Maybe he won't be willing to do this?
I think a lot of peoples issues with a deal this length as you take the risk, and he ends as UFA. With short deal, 2 years, you get a better look at what he is, and still have leverage at the renegotiating table as he's still an rfa. This allows you to offer a contract better valued on worth and eat more UFA time in the long run.
Obviously there's tradeoffs to both, but the idea from the asset management standpoint is to keep him "protected" for as long as possible.
I personally don't know what best, which is clearly why I am only the GM of this here armchair, and not The Winnipeg Jets.
I would think Kane needs to get paid at least in the $4,701,131 — $6,268,175 per/season range. Any team would be willing to give up a 1st and 3rd for him.
The criteria for RFA draft pick compensation in 2011-12 is as follows:
$1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation
$1,034,249 — $1,567,043: Third-round pick
$1,567,043 — $3,134,088: Second-round pick
$3,134,088 — $4,701,131: First and third-round pick
$4,701,131 — $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick
$6,268,175 — $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third
$7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
I think Kane will get just below 4.5 million for a two year term and he will mature before our very eyes and be here for the long haul (if not we will trade him for a lot). Pavs will take less money for longer term. I see him signing for 4-5 years at a bit less cash per season, maybe something like 4 yrs, 15-16 million. (I love Pavs and think he's very good, but he needs to improve on consistency if he wants more cash)
2 yrs- $7 million
4 yrs- $17 million
6 yrs- $28 million
I'd expect a counter-offer, these are relatively low numbers. If he wants a 2 year deal to take the chance to cash in afterwards, that's available, if he wants more guaranteed money and term, I'd offer him that too.
Well I can't say I understand ether of those moves, out of curiosity would you mind explaining why you would like to ditch 2 of our top 4 defensemen for only a 2nd rounder? and how you would replace their contributions?
Well I can't say I understand ether of those moves, out of curiosity would you mind explaining why you would like to ditch 2 of our top 4 defensemen for only a 2nd rounder? and how you would replace their contributions?
the fact that we have to ask that question sums up these deals....Headscratching to say the least.
you do that, and you are instantly fired. i don`t think anyone waits around to see if it ```pans out``
Hainsey isn't even a top Dman on this team. I'd rank him behind Enstrom (PP), Bogo, Stuart, Clitsome and even Flood and/or Festerling. I'm also taking into consideration he's making more than any of those players. I mis-spoke earlier - he makes $4.5M and is not worth it despite lagging minutes.
As for Buff, I simply dislike his contract. His contract suggests to every player on this roster that you can show up late, overweight and still get paid. Many on here have argued that he's cool under pressure and not lacking effort. But I think that remains to be seen. Several sports writers in Winnipeg and elsewhere have made the lacking of effort comments. Are they all wrong? I do hope Buff's mindset changes. But until then, he'd be on the block - and to be honest, any Dman making 5.2M a year is not easy to trade unless you're considering he's somehow better than the Doughty's or Suter's out there. And that would be some kind of leap to me.
As for Buff's contributions - I say this ... every team that made the playoffs this year scored more goals than allowed. Can you say that Buff promotes defence first? Or is he more of a risk taker?
Look at the teams who've won the cups - have they been the barn burners like the Capitals with Ovie or has it been the teams that have forwards and defenceman that play smart 2way hockey?
Noel has preached this at every level he's coached - I hope he can bring it to this club next year. The link is here http://espn.go.com/nhl/standings - if we don't bring our GA down, we will be out a playoff spot again. Relying on our Dmen to score and lessening the load on our forwards doesn't seem to be good strategy to me. Playing good D wins championships at nearly every level of sport. There's a reason it's a cliche.
Our D must get better next year. Whether it's Buff getting into better game shape and taking fewer risks or it's an overhaul of what we have - because it's not working. This is not a rush to judgement - this is almost the exact same team as last year with the exception of waiver wire Clitsome and UFA Flood who rarely played.
Lets see if we can trade him to Toronto, get a top 5 pick and their pick in 2013, Luke Schenn and Kadri/Lupul, you know Burke would do a ridiculous deal like that, also Toronto is well known for doing that.
