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04-05-2012, 03:07 PM
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Timmins Hits 25

With Dumont dressing in his first NHL game, Trevor Timmins and his scouting staff from 2003 to 2009 have selected 55 players and after last night 25 have appeared in at least one NHL game to date.

In addition to the 25 are the un-drafted CHLers and FA NCAAers, David Desharnais, Cedrick Desjardins, Yann Danis, Frederic St. Denis, Andreas Engqvist, Brendon Nash, Robert Mayer and Brock Trotter.

Here's the list,

2003
Andrei Kostitsyn- 10th
Maxim Lapierre- 61st
Ryan O'Byrne- 79th
Corey Locke- 113th
Mark Flood- 188th
Jaroslav Halak- 271st


2004
Kyle Chipchura- 18th
Alexei Emelin- 84th
J.T. Wyman- 100th
Mikhail Grabovski- 150th
Greg Stewart- 246th
Mark Streit- 262nd


2005
Carey Price- 5th
Guillaume Latendresse- 45th
Matt D'Agostini- 190th
Sergei Kostitsyn- 200th


2006
Ben Maxwell- 49th
Mathieu Carle- 53rd
Ryan White- 66th


2007
Ryan McDonagh- 12th
Max Pacioretty- 22nd
P.K. Subban- 43rd
Yannick Weber- 73rd


2008
none

2009
Louis Leblanc- 18th
Gabriel Dumont- 139th

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04-05-2012, 03:11 PM
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With Valentenko, Fortier, Conboy, Kristo, Qualier, Nattinen and Bennett.

He's got a legit shot at 30.

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It's pretty amazing how his later picks end up pretty good players. It's too bad we give up on them so fast.

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04-05-2012, 03:16 PM
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With Valentenko, Fortier, Conboy, Kristo, Qualier, Nattinen and Bennett.

He's got a legit shot at 30.
For sure he could hit 30, and that's damn impressive. 30 of 55 picks is downright sick, even if he doesn't hit 30 he should be very close as I got to think at least 2 or 3 from the above list will see NHL ice at some point in the future.

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He's a beast.

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He's solid picks alot of 3rd/4th liners but there are some great picks there, at least 2 of them don't even play on the habs anymore though lol, nothing he can do about that

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Figuratively AND literally.

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Any comparables with other NHL scouting directors to see how his percentages stack up against others in similar positions in the league?

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Any comparables with other NHL scouting directors to see how his percentages stack up against others in similar positions in the league?
was going to ask this question...

Im sure he is above average... but is he top 5 ?

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That's actually a lot more guys than I would have guessed, a whole NHL team & a couple guys for the pressbox, Impressive!

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Any comparables with other NHL scouting directors to see how his percentages stack up against others in similar positions in the league?
No source but I believe Mtl is No. 1 in this regard, ratio of team draft picks making it to the NHL. A source I can't link to says we're No. 3. Anyway, impressive.

Colour me cynical but Timmins' sterling success rate is one reason I'm not as thrilled as some that we'll have a top-5 pick this year. Our crappiness has no connection to the draft, clearly the cause of our crappiness lies elsewhere. You can give a monkey a Stradavarius and he'll only pound it into his own feces.

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Any comparables with other NHL scouting directors to see how his percentages stack up against others in similar positions in the league?
I doubt many if any come close to 25 of 55 picks playing in the NHL.

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I doubt many if any come close to 25 of 55 picks playing in the NHL.
That's close to 50%, that's unheard of in a 30 team league. That has to be #1 by a landslide.

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Pacioretty - Grabovski - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostitsyn
D'Agostini - Leblanc - White
Wyman - Chipchura - Maxwell
(Stewart, Dumont, Locke)

Subban - McDonagh
Streit - O'Byrne
Emelin - Weber
(Carle, Flood)

Price
Halak

Not THAT bad, I mean, we have iced worse lineups at some point this year lol

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Montreal has the best record of players making it to the NHL since Timmins became the Head Scout.

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/en...#ixzz1peUkmRy7

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Is he in danger of loosing his job with the futur new management ? I'm scared that new management want to start from scratch...

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That's close to 50%, that's unheard of in a 30 team league. That has to be #1 by a landslide.
If you don't count '08 and '09 since it's still very early for those picks, he's had 23 of 42 play in the NHL which is almost 60%. That's insane, plus it could still go up if any of Conboy, Stejskal, Fortier, Valentenko see any NHL action.

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With Dumont dressing in his first NHL game, Trevor Timmins and his scouting staff from 2003 to 2009 have selected 55 players and after last night 25 have appeared in at least one NHL game to date.

In addition to the 25 are the un-drafted CHLers and FA NCAAers, David Desharnais, Cedrick Desjardins, Yann Danis, Frederic St. Denis, Andreas Engqvist, Brendon Nash, Robert Mayer and Brock Trotter.

Here's the list,

2003
Andrei Kostitsyn- 10th
Maxim Lapierre- 61st
Ryan O'Byrne- 79th
Corey Locke- 113th
Mark Flood- 188th
Jaroslav Halak- 271st


2004
Kyle Chipchura- 18th
Alexei Emelin- 84th
J.T. Wyman- 100th
Mikhail Grabovski- 150th
Greg Stewart- 246th
Mark Streit- 262nd


2005
Carey Price- 5th
Guillaume Latendresse- 45th
Matt D'Agostini- 190th
Sergei Kostitsyn- 200th


2006
Ben Maxwell- 49th
Mathieu Carle- 53rd
Ryan White- 66th


2007
Ryan McDonagh- 12th
Max Pacioretty- 22nd
P.K. Subban- 43rd
Yannick Weber- 73rd


2008
none

2009
Louis Leblanc- 18th
Gabriel Dumont- 139th
Ryan McDonagh- 12th

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The average team gets 2 NHLers out of 7 picks per draft.

This is unreal.

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Pacioretty - Grabovski - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostitsyn
D'Agostini - Leblanc - White
Wyman - Chipchura - Maxwell
(Stewart, Dumont, Locke)

Subban - McDonagh
Streit - O'Byrne
Emelin - Weber
(Carle, Flood)

Price
Halak

Not THAT bad, I mean, we have iced worse lineups at some point this year lol
With this roster, our 2012 salaries would total less than $36m.

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If you don't count '08 and '09 since it's still very early for those picks, he's had 23 of 42 play in the NHL which is almost 60%. That's insane, plus it could still go up if any of Conboy, Stejskal, Fortier, Valentenko see any NHL action.
Even crazier! Lock the guy up for life, he's the best in the world!

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I made my research
all teams from 2003-2009


EDM 28 53 52.8%
BOS 25 48 52.1%
NYI 31 64 48.4%
PIT 25 54 46.3%
NYR 27 59 45.8%
COL 25 55 45.5%
MTL 25 55 45.5%
BUF 24 55 43.6%
SJ 24 55 43.6%
CBJ 27 62 43.5%
DAL 22 51 43.1%
NSH 26 62 41.9%
STL 26 62 41.9%
NJ 21 51 41.2%
PHI 23 56 41.1%
LA 26 65 40.0%
OTT 22 55 40.0%
MIN 20 52 38.5%
TOR 18 47 38.3%
ANH 20 53 37.7%
WSH 23 61 37.7%
CGY 19 53 35.8%
CHI 25 70 35.7%
FLA 19 54 35.2%
TBL 19 56 33.9%
ATL 18 54 33.3%
PHO 17 52 32.7%
VAN 15 46 32.6%
CAR 15 48 31.3%
DET 15 50 30.0%

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Pacioretty - Grabovski - Kostitsyn
Latendresse - Lapierre - Kostitsyn
D'Agostini - Leblanc - White
Wyman - Chipchura - Maxwell
(Stewart, Dumont, Locke)

Subban - McDonagh
Streit - O'Byrne
Emelin - Weber
(Carle, Flood)

Price
Halak

Not THAT bad, I mean, we have iced worse lineups at some point this year lol
His defensive picks have been amazing. His drafting of forwards has left something to be desired tho outside of Patches. I mean when you take Fischer instead of Claude Giroux and AK46 instead of Carter, Brown, Perry, Parise, Richards you can't exactly argue that he's a beast. You guys seem to be arguing that quantity trumps quality. He just needs to up the quality in his forward picks.

But I have faith in Timmins tho. I just hope he knocks another one out of the park like he did with Patches.

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