I don't have a real profound opinion on the matter but these are medical professionals and yes there is an element of risk, there is for any NHL player to step on the ice. If he gets clearance you bet your ass he's going to play.
I don't have a real profound opinion on the matter but these are medical professionals and yes there is an element of risk, there is for any NHL player to step on the ice. If he gets clearance you bet your ass he's going to play.
Exactly, my bet is he'll be ready for the 2nd round. Hopefully we make it past Ottawa.
He's skating so that's a good sign. Another week or so of that then he'll have some check-ups with the Dr's and hopefully he'll be cleared for contact.
I think it actually speaks to how violently assured some are about something they are almost entirely ignorant about.
Yes, of course it's a message board. And of course it exists for discussion purposes. But I could say that the Sultan of Oman is a closet homosexual and be vehemently confident in that conviction... But in reality, I know absolutely zilch about the Sultan of Oman.
I understand why we would bring Horton up in conversation. But having passionate discussions about how good/bad he is or whether WE feel he should return/retire..? The truth of the matter, is none of really knows **** all about what's going on with him.
We can do precious nothing more than hope that Horton does get better. Does return to the team. And that his return comes at a time where waiting longer would be of no further benefit to his health. If/whenever that happens to be... I'm going to happy for it.
We're not GMs, either. Should we stop discussing potential trades? To my knowledge, no one that posts here in an NHL coach, either. Does that mean no more line combination threads or discussions?
I'm sorry, but the "you're not a doctor" thing is getting really frigging old. Whichever end of the spectrum someone happens to come down on, they have an opinion, and that's what this forum is for. Talking about the team and sharing our opinions. We all have a vested interest in seeing this team succeed, and we have our own opinions about how they can best get there. That's what creates discussion.
"You're not a doctor", decoded, basically says to me "I disagree with you, but I'm either too lazy or too uninformed to be able to form a good argument as to why."
It's a message board. It exists for discussion purposes. Nothing anyone says here in regards to anything makes a difference, so should we all just stop talking about hockey?
No **** no one here is a doctor. Doesn't mean you can't still have an opinion on the matter.
It's one thing to discuss things like hockey games where everything plays out on camera and most people here have a lot of experience and knowledge on the subject (from watching, playing, etc.). In other words you don't have to be a pro hockey player to be a fan and have an opinion on hockey.
It's another thing to argue vehemently either way about what medical decision should be made in the case of an injured player when most of us no almost nothing about the specific situation (b/c all the info is kept private) and mostly nothing about the medical condition itself.
Can't you see that the first type of discussion is productive and enhances people's fandom of the team and sport while the 2nd type of discussion just goes nowhere and doesn't really do anything to provide new insight or enjoyment to us as fans?
We're not GMs, either. Should we stop discussing potential trades? To my knowledge, no one that posts here in an NHL coach, either. Does that mean no more line combination threads or discussions?
I'm sorry, but the "you're not a doctor" thing is getting really frigging old. Whichever end of the spectrum someone happens to come down on, they have an opinion, and that's what this forum is for. Talking about the team and sharing our opinions. We all have a vested interest in seeing this team succeed, and we have our own opinions about how they can best get there. That's what creates discussion.
"You're not a doctor", decoded, basically says to me "I disagree with you, but I'm either too lazy or too uninformed to be able to form a good argument as to why."
Too uninformed would be entirely accurate. Something that person can share with those he/she disagrees with. Almost entirely uninformed.
When it comes to the qualities of different players on different teams. When it comes to players on our OWN team and being able to sense what they do well/not so well? In understanding the Salary Cap, hockey strategy and the rules of the game? In weighing one team's strengths/weaknesses against another team's and attempting to determine a winner?
Well... THESE things? These are things that while I may have no control over, I STILL feel as though I am informed enough to sport opinions about them. Sometimes strong ones. Oftentimes strong ones.
A medical diagnosis? Not so much. What has gone on between Nathan Horton and his doctor(s) is something that I have not been privileged enough to be a part of.
Saying one is not a doctor and therefore is uninformed... and then doesn't understand why so many people who share that with them feel as though they ARE informed? That isn't a copout. That is honest fact.
We're not GMs, either. Should we stop discussing potential trades? To my knowledge, no one that posts here in an NHL coach, either. Does that mean no more line combination threads or discussions?
I'm sorry, but the "you're not a doctor" thing is getting really frigging old. Whichever end of the spectrum someone happens to come down on, they have an opinion, and that's what this forum is for. Talking about the team and sharing our opinions. We all have a vested interest in seeing this team succeed, and we have our own opinions about how they can best get there. That's what creates discussion.
"You're not a doctor", decoded, basically says to me "I disagree with you, but I'm either too lazy or too uninformed to be able to form a good argument as to why."
It's more than just a "you're not a doctor" argument though. It's that combined with the fact that the Bruins have released very little information regarding Horton's condition to the public so 90% of the discussion in this thread is pure conjecture. Like one poster mentioned, maybe he has been feeling great for weeks now and they have been cautious with him all along? People keep insisting that if he comes back now it's because he's rushing back and it's just such a bogus stance to take when no one really knows anything.
At least when discussing things like trades, much of the discussion comes from previous trade history or leaked info from reputable sources. In that same vein, how do you feel when people start a thread pages long based on an Eklund rumor? It's not all useful discussion.
It's one thing to discuss things like hockey games where everything plays out on camera and most people here have a lot of experience and knowledge on the subject (from watching, playing, etc.). In other words you don't have to be a pro hockey player to be a fan and have an opinion on hockey.
It's another thing to argue vehemently either way about what medical decision should be made in the case of an injured player when most of us no almost nothing about the specific situation (b/c all the info is kept private) and mostly nothing about the medical condition itself.
Can't you see that the first type of discussion is productive and enhances people's fandom of the team and sport while the 2nd type of discussion just goes nowhere and doesn't really do anything to provide new insight or enjoyment to us as fans?
Short answer? No, I can't.
Using your example, I've never played hockey. I have a decent grasp on the game from watching it. There are still things that I don't understand, and probably will never understand because I've never played, but I know enough to form an educated opinion. How educated, some here may argue with me about, but I digress.
I've never had a concussion. I've never diagnossed one. I've seen enough players have them to know a bit about them and how they seem to work. I've seen enough players suffer from them to be able to form an educated opinion about concussions.
At the end of the day, all any of us are offering here, on ANY subject, is an opinion. I don't understand why some subjects are off-limits, but others aren't.
Not to just inject myself into the debate here and I'm sure it's been brought up but I highly doubt that Nate would be skating and practicing if there was no chance of him coming back at some point in the playoffs. That's just my opinion. On that same thought doctors could have told him "you can skate now but just so you know, there's no way you're playing before next season"
To be honest. All this talk and argumentative posts remind me of Savard. Exactly like that situation in fact. It's almost spooky to be honest. I'll be even more creeped out if we make it past the first round and Horton is cleared for game 1... and then proceeds to win it in OT
But seriously.. Bruins and the docs can only do so much. Ultimately it's up to Nate to make sure he's telling the doctors everything and that he doesn't make the same mistake Savard did by coming back too soon. Every person is different. Bottom line is that he must be feeling better and feeling good enough to try and get back into game shape by skating and shooting. The next step is to take hits in practice and get the final OK by the doctors.
My personal prediction is that IF we make it to the ECF, that will be his return. Perhaps even as early as sometime in the 2nd round (again, IF we get there)
I'm sure someone will post this eventually, so I'll do it now.
Note that this article is just "opinion" much like everyone is giving here:
What stood out to me is that even though it is opinion, the writer can't get the "facts straight"
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The B’s power forward has missed 34 games and six weeks of action since suffering a concussion on Jan. 22. A source close to Horton indicated to CSNNE.com that the right winger wasn’t likely to return during this postseason.
Jan 22 to April 5 is almost 2 and a half months - not 6 weeks
missed 34 games - yup - but not in 42 days
No I'm not a doctor or professional athlete. No I have no knowledge of Horton's medical condition or anyone else for that matter.
My opinion is that people are getting way too excited that he skated for 40 minutes yesterday.
It was one day and his first real skate since February.
He was not 100% when he came back in October. He even admitted that.
If he wasn't 100% after 4 months of rest then it is possible that he won't be 100% after another concussion and 2 months rest.
All concussions are different.
Bergy was out over a year and then missed another month+. He missed 10 days in May.
Savvy was out until April then came back. In July he had a major setback and was out until November before being knocked back out in January and hasn't played since.
Horton was out from June-September and then knocked back out in February.
It is awesome that he skated yesterday don't get me wrong but it was only one skate in 2+ months
To even start talking like he'll be ready for the playoffs, in any round, is way too premature.
It is a game of unknowns and to be honest, I believe that we will not see Horton until September.
I feel like some on here are jumping the gun and are ignoring anything that doesn't jive with their thoughts.
Maybe I came off too strong and I apologize.
What I don't want to see is people getting all hyped up and then when the opposite happens start playing the blame game and being angry.
Even if he's deemed 100% healthy it doesn't mean he will play. Happens every game and that's why it is called a healthy scratch.
I would rather Nathan, the Bruins and the doctors focus on his long term health rather than jeopardize it.
After all, compared to life, hockey is just a game.
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He never said that he wasn't 100% when he came back. He said that he was tentative and that the fear of being re-injured was in the back of his mind but that he had been symptom free for a while and was ready to play. The psychological effects he was dealing with were only going to be helped by playing. I'm really tired people getting that quote twisted.
No I'm not a doctor or professional athlete. No I have no knowledge of Horton's medical condition or anyone else for that matter.
My opinion is that people are getting way too excited that he skated for 40 minutes yesterday.
It was one day and his first real skate since February.
He was not 100% when he came back in October. He even admitted that.
If he wasn't 100% after 4 months of rest then it is possible that he won't be 100% after another concussion and 2 months rest.
All concussions are different.
All concussions are different. Nobody has any idea whether his first one was more severe than the second, so comparing his recovery periods for the two is not appropriate.
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Bergy was out over a year and then missed another month+. He missed 10 days in May.
Savvy was out until April then came back. In July he had a major setback and was out until November before being knocked back out in January and hasn't played since.
Horton was out from June-September and then knocked back out in February.
All concussions are different. And that includes Bergerons and Savards. I sort of understand the obsession with these two players in these discussions, but I trust that medical science takes a much broader and more educated approach. I will defer to them.
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Originally Posted by Alycat
It is awesome that he skated yesterday don't get me wrong but it was only one skate in 2+ months
To even start talking like he'll be ready for the playoffs, in any round, is way too premature.
It is a game of unknowns and to be honest, I believe that we will not see Horton until September.
I feel like some on here are jumping the gun and are ignoring anything that doesn't jive with their thoughts.
Maybe I came off too strong and I apologize.
What I don't want to see is people getting all hyped up and then when the opposite happens start playing the blame game and being angry.
Even if he's deemed 100% healthy it doesn't mean he will play. Happens every game and that's why it is called a healthy scratch.
I would rather Nathan, the Bruins and the doctors focus on his long term health rather than jeopardize it.
After all, compared to life, hockey is just a game.
There is a CHASM of difference between someone wanting Horton to come back for the sake of their hockey viewing experience (with little regard for Horton's health), and someone wanting Horton to come back when he is medically cleared and ready to play. And I bet you that virtually nobody on this site falls into the first category. Nobody.
Horton, the Bruins and the doctors WILL focus on his long term health as opposed to jeopardizing it. And that holds whether he comes back in May, June, October, or December. To assume otherwise is nothing short of insulting. Medically cleared includes consideration of his long term health.
You state What I don't want to see is people getting all hyped up and then when the opposite happens start playing the blame game and being angry. I can virtually guarantee you that if he does not come back until November, NOBODY will be 'angry.' Like I said before, overwhelmingly the people who are OK with him coming back for the playoffs are only OK with it if he is medically cleared and ready to play. If he is not medically cleared and ready to play and only comes back in November, anybody with this point of view will just shrug his or her shoulders and accept it as the best decision. There will be zero 'anger' and zero 'blame game.'
You know when the blame and anger game will rear its head? If Horton comes back in the playoffs there will undoubtedly be folks who consider such a move as jeopardizing Horton's health for the sake of the Bruins, and THEY will be the ones pointing fingers and assessing blame. Especially if he gets hurt again. And like I said before, the notion that the team or the doctors would do this is nothing short of insulting. IF he comes back for the playoffs it will be because he is medically cleared (which takes into account his long term health) and ready to play. Period.
All concussions are different. Nobody has any idea whether his first one was more severe than the second, so comparing his recovery periods for the two is not appropriate.
this is very true. i'm no doctor, but I do have experience with concussion. I suffered one in a hockey game back in October. For a month, I felt terrible. Couldn't work, couldn't drive, headaches all the time, nausea, couldn't even take my dog for a walk without feeling "the symptoms". Then, literally all of a sudden, one day I was better. About 2 weeks later, I played hockey again and since then I have not felt any symptoms. So things can change quickly when it comes to these head injuries. Hopefully Horton can make it back. But ultimately, it's up to him and how feels.
It be great to have him back. But rather him be 100%
How are these two things mutually exclusive? So if he comes back, we must conclude he's not at 100%? Nobody wants him back at anything less than 100% - not now, not in May, not in September, not ever.
BOSTON, MA – Boston Bruins General Manager Peter Chiarelli announced today that forward Nathan Horton will miss the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs due to a concussion. The injury occurred on January 22, 2012 in a game against the Philadelphia Flyers and he has not played in a game since (36 games).
BOSTON, MA – Boston Bruins General Manager Peter Chiarelli announced today that forward Nathan Horton will miss the 2012 Stanley Cup Playoffs due to a concussion. The injury occurred on January 22, 2012 in a game against the Philadelphia Flyers and he has not played in a game since (36 games).
Unfortunate, but not unexpected. I would have been VERY surprised to see him play this post-season.
Ah, nuts. I had a little bottle of hope tucked away in the back of the cupboard, but it's good to set things straight and move forward with a degree of certainty. I can already hear myself calling to Nathan at any overtime moments...
Sad but true. Rome / Sestito have probably cost Horton atleast 15 million bucks with their idiocy. He's in the last year of his deal next year, and a healthy Nate is worth a 4-5mil extension at the age of what 27, 28?
