Disagree. Beauchemin played well on the 3rd pairing(in name only in the 2009 playoffs), and was still being used heavily in key defensive scenarios, such as the PK. I thought he was our 3rd best defenseman, behind only Niedermayer and Pronger.
Whitney was extremely unimpressive, and Wisniewski had a lot of similarities to Beauchemin, except he was worse in almost every way, save on the 2nd PP unit.
That`s revisionist history, at best, especially the Whitney parts. No one had a real problem with Whitney until the 09-10 season. Both he and Wiz were loved during that playoff run, and for good reason, they both looked good.
That`s revisionist history, at best, especially the Whitney parts. No one had a real problem with Whitney until the 09-10 season. Both he and Wiz were loved during that playoff run, and for good reason, they both looked good.
No, I'm speaking from memory. You might have been speaking to different people, but no one -I- talked to loved his game. He was a disappointment, given the expectations surrounding him. Reluctant to shoot, a big guy who was soft in front of the net and along the boards, and about the only thing I liked about him was his outlet pass. Sure, there was a willingness to be patient, but the hope was always that the team would get more from him later. The expectations surrounding him was as a possible top pairing defenseman, and he played more like a number 4. But that was okay at the time, as long as he was better later... which he wasn't.
No, I'm speaking from memory. You might have been speaking to different people, but no one -I- talked to loved his game. He was a disappointment, given the expectations surrounding him. Reluctant to shoot, a big guy who was soft in front of the net and along the boards, and about the only thing I liked about him was his outlet pass. Sure, there was a willingness to be patient, but the hope was always that the team would get more from him later. The expectations surrounding him was as a possible top pairing defenseman, and he played more like a number 4.
The only people I was speaking to were on here, where some thought he could improve his shooting and that had trouble in the dirty areas, but no one really had a problem with him, and were hardly underwhelmed, given the low expectations. Don`t know where you got high expectations from, every Pens fan on the board came and told us how we`d all hate him, just as we did with Edmonton fans.
As for Wiz v. Beauch, almost everyone on the board was only worried about losing Beauch if we ended up somehow losing Wiz too. And no one was choked that we didn`t match $3.8 per year.
IIRC we were fairly tight against the cap, and especially budget, and Beauchemin was coming off a major injury, shelling out nearly $4 million a year for that is a pretty big risk itself, it`s not like giving Beauch that kind of money was the safe choice.
We weren't up against the cap, we had plenty of cap space going into free agency that year. Instead of re-signing Beauchemin for $3.8M, Murray went and paid two useless scrubs in Eminger and Boynton $2.7M combined to play on the third pairing/rotate as healthy scratches. He also wasted nearly $2M paying Nokelainen and Artyukhin to play 4th line minutes for us that season, so it's not like he couldn't have cleared the money up for Beauchemin by not acquiring/signing all of the above guys.
I've heard all the Bob Murray quotes today. Just wanted to remind you that Saturday (April 7th) is the important date for you guys. If he wants to be a Duck, he'll sign a contract for that last day of the season to burn a year and become an RFA a year sooner.
Otherwise he's going to take this to July 1 and become a UFA.
Remember, the Madison article was quoted as Schultz being advised by Wade Arnott from Newport Sports...the biggest, baddest agency in the NHL. They aren't stupid, they aren't going to allow a client to waste the possibility of burning a year when they can.
Keep in mind I don't care where he ends up, in fact signing with the Ducks would be less work for me. These are just the facts right now.
Good luck guys.
Dude, Schultz said he won't be making a choice until after the season. He doesn't care about RFA status or money, which is why that April 7th date you throw out is irrelevant. The only date we should watch is June 1st when the Ducks lose his rights.
Last edited by furball411: 04-05-2012 at 09:02 PM.
Reason: wording
I understand the situation with Beauch and explained many times, Anaheim didn't have the money to sign him.
Unfortunately, the price of unloading Lupul was Gardiner.......awful asset management, Bob Murray is on thin ice
i agree....i dont think you can point to 1 move BM made and say "that was it" or even that they were that bad (im of the opinion that getting beauch BACK was a good move) but what happens with schultz could make him or break him....he may not be able to control a "loop hole" but he IS responsible with how this ALL plays out, which is 1 decision away from being a complete disaster
I understand the situation with Beauch and explained many times, Anaheim didn't have the money to sign him.
Unfortunately, the price of unloading Lupul was Gardiner.......awful asset management, Bob Murray is on thin ice
They couldn't afford him? They spent close to $5M on a couple of 7th defensemen and two 4th line scrubs. If Murray spent a bit more wisely they could have easily signed him. Beauchemin was quoted saying he didn't even receive an offer from us.
They couldn't afford him? They spent close to $5M on a couple of 7th defensemen and two 4th line scrubs. If Murray spent a bit more wisely they could have easily signed him. Beauchemin was quoted saying he didn't even receive an offer from us.
They had to fill out the roster, why is this so hard to understand? at that time EVERYONE was clamoring for secondary scoring, so they traded for Lupul and signed Koivu, the Lupul move looked GOOD til he got injured. Beauch got way to much money for a guy just coming off of a serious injury, it's amazing how some of you think it was so simple just to keep him, when Wiz and Whitney had just performed well while Beauch was limited to third pairing minutes.
adding Gardiner to get him back was dumb, but not signing him? it made plenty of sense, but many of you are revising history
You can fill out the roster for a lot cheaper than he did that season. And it made no sense, even at the time. Even if Whitney and Wiz panned out we were still short a top 4 defenseman.
You can fill out the roster for a lot cheaper than he did that season. And it made no sense, even at the time. Even if Whitney and Wiz panned out we were still short a top 4 defenseman.
Like who? The Ducks were a defensive heavy team, that desperately needed offense. I recall many Duck fans being happy they didn't sign Beauch to a near 4 mil per year deal
Like who? The Ducks were a defensive heavy team, that desperately needed offense. I recall many Duck fans being happy they didn't sign Beauch to a near 4 mil per year deal
Yeah they were defensive heavy but they were much better off being defense heavy than having a slightly improved offense at the expense of having a good blueline. And you never addressed my point that there was still a hole in the top 4.
It's not true that no one saw Whitney's decline coming. I know I berated Whitney's game constantly. Even after the first partial season when a lot of people thought he had turned it around. First I never liked him, even in his 59 point season. Also I was always worried about that foot.
I agree with the July 1st comment, this no longer has any say in whether or not he stays or goes. It seems like he wants to spend time with his family, THEN sign with the Ducks. He puts family first, and there is nothing wrong with that. Money isnt everything, certainly not to him (so it seems).
People saying he WILL leave if he doesnt sign by July 1st are starting to become trolls.
Like who? The Ducks were a defensive heavy team, that desperately needed offense. I recall many Duck fans being happy they didn't sign Beauch to a near 4 mil per year deal
Many Ducks fans were happy because they made the same mistake that Murray did, which was going into the season with 3 proven Top 4 guys. They were counting on Boynton/Sbisa taking the #4 spot and it backfired miserably. We ended up with Eminger playing a lot of Top 4 minutes.
I hated losing Beauch from Day 1 and it cost us a great prospect to get him back, who could have fit nicely on our blueline next season. I agree with Paul about rather having that defense heavy team, because that team won a playoff series and took Detroit to 7. We could have fit Koivu in still, and we would have been short 1 Top 6 winger only. Rather have a full Top 4 than a Full Top 6.
Dude, Schultz said he won't be making a choice until after the season. He doesn't care about RFA status or money, which is why that April 7th date you throw out is irrelevant. The only date we should watch is June 1st when the Ducks lose his rights.
Wake up and smell the coffee. He isn't playing for fun. He's not going to give up a couple million dollars to sign with the Ducks in a month. What's so complicated about that?
He either signs with the Ducks now, or he becomes a free agent on July 1st. It's simple as that. It's literally a couple million dollar difference and he knows this. He's not going to give up a couple million to hang out with his parents for a few weeks.
He either signs with the Ducks by Saturday, or he's becoming a free agent.
Wake up and smell the coffee. He isn't playing for fun. He's not going to give up a couple million dollars to sign with the Ducks in a month. What's so complicated about that?
He either signs with the Ducks now, or he becomes a free agent on July 1st. It's simple as that. It's literally a couple million dollar difference and he knows this. He's not going to give up a couple million to hang out with his parents for a few weeks.
He either signs with the Ducks by Saturday, or he's becoming a free agent.
I really don't think it's that cut or dry, Mr. Schwartz. People value money differently, and in Schultz's case his financial future is all but guaranteed, regardless of when he signs. The difference, in the long run, is not all that great. You can try to put yourself in his shoes, but unless he's flat out said it, you can't know for sure.
I expect that you're right. That's probably exactly what happens. I don't think it is a certainty though. So, let's not pretend otherwise. It wouldn't be the first time a player's decision wasn't completely financially motivated.
I really don't think it's that cut or dry, Mr. Schwartz. People value money differently, and in Schultz's case his financial future is all but guaranteed, regardless of when he signs. The difference, in the long run, is not all that great. You can try to put yourself in his shoes, but unless he's flat out said it, you can't know for sure.
I expect that you're right. That's probably exactly what happens. I don't think it is a certainty though. So, let's not pretend otherwise. It wouldn't be the first time a player's decision wasn't completely financially motivated.
Yes, yes it is that cut an dry. It makes no sense to give up a couple million dollars to sign with the Ducks a month later, when you can have that couple million dollars and sign now.
I'm not taking rocket science here, this is A+B=C. Simple stuff that's not hard to figure out.
Yes, yes it is that cut an dry. It makes no sense to give up a couple million dollars to sign with the Ducks a month later, when you can have that couple million dollars and sign now.
I'm not taking rocket science here, this is A+B=C. Simple stuff that's not hard to figure out.
I tend to agree with you in that if he doesn't sign now with the Ducks, he's going UFA...
However, there's also the point that was brought up on the main board about Schultz possibly being better off having 2 years to prove himself before reaching RFA status opposed to 1 year. It's not a lock that he picks right up in the NHL where he left off in the NCAA...he could end up spending time in the AHL during that first year or struggling to succeed and thus leaving him without much bargaining power come RFA time...if he had that second year, he'd have much more time to prove his worth, thus raising his bargaining power for a higher contract.
For the record, IMO, that isn't what's going on...but it's certainly not out of the question.
Yes, yes it is that cut an dry. It makes no sense to give up a couple million dollars to sign with the Ducks a month later, when you can have that couple million dollars and sign now.
I'm not taking rocket science here, this is A+B=C. Simple stuff that's not hard to figure out.
You're most likely right, as every poster has said, but there are other possible, unlikely yes, but still possible options that Schultz could be considering. Unless youd like to disclose some information you might have that would say otherwise, which would be welcomed, but Im guessing you wont do it, then there are other doors that could be used.
Like we said you are probably right, but anything is possible.
Yes, yes it is that cut an dry. It makes no sense to give up a couple million dollars to sign with the Ducks a month later, when you can have that couple million dollars and sign now.
I'm not taking rocket science here, this is A+B=C. Simple stuff that's not hard to figure out.
The possibilities aren't actually cut and dried. He could want to go back to school. He could be waiting for a friend on the team to make a decision so they can play together. He could be concerned about being forced into the AHL by a lockout then having to sign his RFA deal with little to no NHL time and making 67K instead of 900K, so while he may want to play for the Ducks he may really not want to ride an AHL bus. He could be waiting to find out if his girlfriend is pregnant. He could be really really indecisive. He could be trying to decide between playing for the team that drafted him and making his parents happy playing close to home and having difficulty making that decision.
You may have been TOLD it's otherwise, but that's not the same as saying there aren't a number of other plausible potentialities.
The girlfriend thing was obviously tongue in cheek. I claim no responsibility if that goes viral.
Just like when all the Ducks' fans questioned my initial report about Schultz? Yeah...I don't know what I'm talking about.
Wake up.
I think Chuck just loves getting a negative reaction from Ducks fans. Don't blame him because losing your best D-man tends to make one butt-hurt. And for the record most of us here, including me, are butt hurt about losing Schultz too, but enough with the money argument. Schultz doesn't give a rat's ass about money. If he did he would have signed as soon as he could with the Ducks or demanded they quickly trade him so he could sign with a Canadian team ASAP. Either way, it's going to be fun watching Bob go nuts on Schultz if he leaves. This is the man who threw a barstool and walked out on Wisniewski's contract negotiations.
It should be an intense summer, have a good one Chuck.
Wake up and smell the coffee. He isn't playing for fun. He's not going to give up a couple million dollars to sign with the Ducks in a month. What's so complicated about that?
