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04-06-2012, 01:45 AM
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The "Accidental" UFA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restricted_free_agent
RFA Qualifying offers
The current team must extend a "qualifying offer" to a restricted free agent to retain negotiating rights to that player.

Players who earned less than $660,000 in the previous season must be offered 110 percent of last season's salary. Players making up to $1 million must be offered 105 percent. Players making over $1 million must be offered 100 percent.
  • If the qualifying offer is not made, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.
  • If the player rejects a qualifying offer, he remains a restricted free agent.
  • If the player does not sign before December 1st, he is ineligible to play in the NHL for the remainder of the season.
IMO, those at risk of not getting qualified:

PlayerPosTeamAgeCap Hit
Wolski, WojtekFFLA26$3,800,000
Comeau, BlakeFCGY26$2,500,000
Fehr, EricFWIN26$2,200,000
Raymond, MasonFVAN26$2,550,000
Brule, GilbertFPHO25$1,850,000
O'Reilly, CalFPIT25$1,050,000
Latendresse, GuillaumeFMIN24$2,500,000
Mueller, PeterFCOL23$2,000,000
Barker, CamDEDM26$2,250,000

Anyone of these players who you think shouldn't be on this list? Anyone you who you think is missing from this list?

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Everyone but Mueller.

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Mueller shouldn't be there. Avs or someone else would gladly pay 2m simply for his potential.

Baker... haven't watched a lot of Oilers games... but unless he really sucked it up (and I mean really bad), they qualify him. 2.2m is peanuts.

Brule could go either way.

Raymond I see getting a QO. Van isn't in cap trouble and unless they trade him, I see him sticking around for a while there.

Wolski, I guess it depends on how he's done in Florida and whether they need to reach the cap floor again... however I think even that's a long shot.

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Mueller shouldn't be there. Avs or someone else would gladly pay 2m simply for his potential.

Baker... haven't watched a lot of Oilers games... but unless he really sucked it up (and I mean really bad), they qualify him. 2.2m is peanuts.

Brule could go either way.

Raymond I see getting a QO. Van isn't in cap trouble and unless they trade him, I see him sticking around for a while there.

Wolski, I guess it depends on how he's done in Florida and whether they need to reach the cap floor again... however I think even that's a long shot.
Not sure really bad really does justice to his play. I don't see a chance the Oilers bring him back even if it was for free.

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Raymond I see getting a QO. Van isn't in cap trouble and unless they trade him, I see him sticking around for a while there.
Can the Canucks just take Raymond to arbitration and try to get the amount reduced?

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Mueller shouldn't be there. Avs or someone else would gladly pay 2m simply for his potential.

Baker... haven't watched a lot of Oilers games... but unless he really sucked it up (and I mean really bad), they qualify him. 2.2m is peanuts.

Brule could go either way.

Raymond I see getting a QO. Van isn't in cap trouble and unless they trade him, I see him sticking around for a while there.

Wolski, I guess it depends on how he's done in Florida and whether they need to reach the cap floor again... however I think even that's a long shot.


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Can the Canucks just take Raymond to arbitration and try to get the amount reduced?
nope...first step is the qualifying offer of which he is entitled to at 100% of his current salary.

Should mention that he could have a fabulous playoffs which would obviously change his percieved value.

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I think Latendresse, Fehr and Mueller get Qualifying offers. Comeau may not get one, but may sign a 2 or 3 year deal at a reduced rate.

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I think Fehr will be qualified.

He came back after missing almost a full year and even though he started off pretty bad, he seemed to be improving. When he stepped in after Thorburn got injured, he looked pretty good until getting injured himself.

More importantly though, the team marketed him pretty heavily last summer. I'm sure a large part of the reason he was even acquired was because he's a Manitoban.

If nothing else, the Jets have lots of cap space. I can't see the harm in signing him to a one year deal.

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I think Fehr will be qualified.

He came back after missing almost a full year and even though he started off pretty bad, he seemed to be improving. When he stepped in after Thorburn got injured, he looked pretty good until getting injured himself.

More importantly though, the team marketed him pretty heavily last summer. I'm sure a large part of the reason he was even acquired was because he's a Manitoban.

If nothing else, the Jets have lots of cap space. I can't see the harm in signing him to a one year deal.
I hope we don't waste time working with retreads who don't factor into the long term success of the team. That's a good recipe for becoming the Toronto Maple Laughs...

Fehr is done, sadly. Gone up in smoke as quickly as he burst into the league with Washington and scored goals on their third line. If we let him go UFA, we might be able to bring him back on a two way deal for like 800k for another look out in St.John's.

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Raymond and Mueller are for sure locks for QO's. Latendresse has been good for Minnesota when healthy, which hasn't been often, but with their lack of scoring I think he gets another opportunity with them.

Wolski is a maybe, the rest are solid No's, IMO

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I would want Fehr and Latendresse from that list. For reclamation project ofc.

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Raymond has been a polarizing figure and has frustrated many fans this year. If he has a poor playoffs, he might be let go.

That said, he's excellent defensively and regularly gets chances offensively due to his speed and hustle. I think that, unless his playoff is absolutely disastrous (whereby the Canucks want to shell out big bucks or assets to upgrade) that he'll get a QO.

My guess though, is that he'll have a good playoff and will get a QO.

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I think Fehr will be qualified.

He came back after missing almost a full year and even though he started off pretty bad, he seemed to be improving. When he stepped in after Thorburn got injured, he looked pretty good until getting injured himself.

More importantly though, the team marketed him pretty heavily last summer. I'm sure a large part of the reason he was even acquired was because he's a Manitoban.

If nothing else, the Jets have lots of cap space. I can't see the harm in signing him to a one year deal.
Fehr will not be qualified.

It is very likely he will be back with the Jets next year, assuming he doesn't retire. But under absolutely no circumstances will he receive a QO.

Eric likes being in Winnipeg and the Jets roster offers him the best shot at being an NHL regular again.

If he's lucky, they'll offer him a 1 way deal for less than 1M. Personally, I'd like to see him signed to a 2 way deal.

Outside of Winnipeg I'd be really surprised if he got any 1 way offers. If the Jets' aren't interested, I could even see him ending up as a training camp invite for some team.

As far as your assessment of his play this year goes, I completely disagree. When he first entered the lineup he was beyond awful. He was always 2 or 3 steps behind the play. After ~20 games he caught up a bit, but he was still behind and struggling with the psychological and physical aspects of the game. Now he's out with another shoulder injury. If he has surgery, this will be his third shoulder surgery, and the second on his left shoulder.

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Wolski is a maybe, the rest are solid No's, IMO
I can't see Florida matching 3.8M

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I think a handful of these guys are going to get offers in June, prior to being qualified, that tries to lock them in at a lower salary.

-Wolski, Wojtek: Has fit in pretty well in Florida. I could see the Panthers offering him a deal in the $2-3 million range. He should accept it, too, I'd think.
-Comeau, Blake: I'd be pretty surprised if Calgary qualifies him. He's done little in Cowtown.
-Fehr, Eric: I wouldn't be surprised to see Winnipeg let him go, either. He could probably do with a year in the AHL to see about getting his game/timing back in order. I'd be surprised if he goes there, however.
-Raymond, Mason: I, personally, think that one way or another, Raymond's situation in Vancouver will be rectified before getting qualified by them. i.e. I really wouldn't be surprised to see him dealt elsewhere around the draft. Vancouver fans seem to have already driven him to the airport, as a Vancouver Province writer put it "You'd think he was the worst player in league history with the way he's discussed on twitter."
-Brule, Gilbert: He's played well in Phoenix. His qualifying offer may be a tad high, so Phoenix might try to negotiate something else with him, like a two-year deal with a lower cap hit.
-O'Reilly, Cal: After Nashville, he really didn't do anything to merit being qualified. I think he signs a 2-way deal with someone to bolster their AHL team.
-Latendresse, Guillaume : Maybe the biggest wild card on the list. I'd be surprised if Minny qualified him at that salary considering he's barely played in two seasons now. I guess it depends on loyalty and how his exit physicals go.
-Mueller, Peter: Colorado has next to nothing committed, salary-wise for next season, so I'd imagine they'll qualify Mueller who seems to be finally turning a corner health-wise.
-Barker, Cam: I'd be shocked to see the Oilers qualify or re-sign him. It was an interesting experiment but his injury precluded any big development. Showed some promise at the start of the year, so someone might yet coach it out of him but I'm expecting it won't be in Edmonton. Could be an interesting gamble for a team like Detroit.

A couple other interesting RFAs to watch, qualifying-wise.
-Benoit Pouliot, Boston: Had a few solid stretches with the Bruins, then would disappear for 10-20 games. Could be pushed out of a job by young hungry players like Jordan Caron and Lane MacDermid.
-Jamie McBain: Potential-wise, you'd think Carolina would never dream of not qualifying McBain. But with Gleason, Pitkanen, Faulk and Ryan Murphy, Carolina's Top 4 is set for years to come and GM Jim Rutherford is never shy about playing hardball with impending RFAs (A couple summers back, two guys who had pretty much made the Hurricanes roster (Brett Carson and someone else who's name escapes me), were left unqualified when they didn't take Rutherford's lower offers, then re-signed shortly after July 1st. Rutherford may try it again.
-Jared Boll: Columbus might be able to re-sign Dane Byers for Boll's roll of fighter/agitator at a greatly reduced salary making Boll expendable.
-Theo Peckham: With 6 blueliners already under contract, prospects knocking on the door, the Oilers might decide to part ways with the tough-as-nails Peckham. I'd like to think the Oilers could get a pick for him, but that may not be an option. A team looking for size, snarl and shot-blocking along its blueline will gladly take him.
-Linus Omark: Omark's time in Edmonton is over, as evidenced by Edmonton making him a healthy scratch down the stretch, instead dressing 7 d-men, and Omark saying he'd rather play in the WHC than go down and play for Oklahoma in the AHL playoffs. I expect him to be dealt around the draft for a mid-round pick (Though he may sign a lucrative deal back in Europe before that happens) but if there are no suitors, it's possible the Oilers just let him become an UFA.
-Anton Stralman: With Tim Erixon waiting in the wings, it's unlikely Stralman has a place to play with the Rangers next year. Good puck handler, though there might not be a role for him in the NHL.
-Peter Regin: A second injury-plagued season might be enough for the Sens to decide to let him go. The acquisition of Kyle Turris and continued development of Zack Smith probably mean Regin would start on the 4th line for Ottawa, and Ottawa's probably not looking to pay Regin for 4th line duty.
-T.J. Galiardi: Galiardi hasn't been able to get it going down the stretch and it's not out of the realm of possibility that San Jose could wash their hands of him, should they falter in the playoffs again. Galiardi's future in San Jose could rest on his playoff performance. It's not likely they won't qualify him, but it's not impossible.
-Brian Lee: The few times I've seen him in Tampa he's looked nervous and lost. The strong play of Keith Aulie and Brendan Mikkelson down the stretch, along with prospects like Radko Gudas and AHL all-star Mark Barberio means the Lightning could very well let Lee walk. A top 10 draft pick in the same year in 2005, Lee should still got offers elsewhere, though they may be of the 2-way AHL variety.
-Cody Franson: Probably the biggest longshot on the list, but if Brian Burke wants to make a big statement about changing the culture etc. and gets not trade offers on Franson, I wouldn't be THAT shocked to see Franson go unqualified. This year was an eye-opener for Franson fans who hadn't seen him play much, Nashville fans warned last year that Franson played protected minutes with the Preds, and when he struggled to regularly crack Toronto's lineup at times this season, that warning sure seemed to ring true. Franson's upside in the NHL might be like that of Kurtis Foster, a power-play specialist with a big shot who can't handle regular minutes at even-strength.

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I think a handful of these guys are going to get offers in June, prior to being qualified, that tries to lock them in at a lower salary.

-Wolski, Wojtek: Has fit in pretty well in Florida. I could see the Panthers offering him a deal in the $2-3 million range. He should accept it, too, I'd think.
-Comeau, Blake: I'd be pretty surprised if Calgary qualifies him. He's done little in Cowtown.
-Fehr, Eric: I wouldn't be surprised to see Winnipeg let him go, either. He could probably do with a year in the AHL to see about getting his game/timing back in order. I'd be surprised if he goes there, however.
-Raymond, Mason: I, personally, think that one way or another, Raymond's situation in Vancouver will be rectified before getting qualified by them. i.e. I really wouldn't be surprised to see him dealt elsewhere around the draft. Vancouver fans seem to have already driven him to the airport, as a Vancouver Province writer put it "You'd think he was the worst player in league history with the way he's discussed on twitter."
-Brule, Gilbert: He's played well in Phoenix. His qualifying offer may be a tad high, so Phoenix might try to negotiate something else with him, like a two-year deal with a lower cap hit.
-O'Reilly, Cal: After Nashville, he really didn't do anything to merit being qualified. I think he signs a 2-way deal with someone to bolster their AHL team.
-Latendresse, Guillaume : Maybe the biggest wild card on the list. I'd be surprised if Minny qualified him at that salary considering he's barely played in two seasons now. I guess it depends on loyalty and how his exit physicals go.
-Mueller, Peter: Colorado has next to nothing committed, salary-wise for next season, so I'd imagine they'll qualify Mueller who seems to be finally turning a corner health-wise.
-Barker, Cam: I'd be shocked to see the Oilers qualify or re-sign him. It was an interesting experiment but his injury precluded any big development. Showed some promise at the start of the year, so someone might yet coach it out of him but I'm expecting it won't be in Edmonton. Could be an interesting gamble for a team like Detroit.

A couple other interesting RFAs to watch, qualifying-wise.
-Benoit Pouliot, Boston: Had a few solid stretches with the Bruins, then would disappear for 10-20 games. Could be pushed out of a job by young hungry players like Jordan Caron and Lane MacDermid.
-Jamie McBain: Potential-wise, you'd think Carolina would never dream of not qualifying McBain. But with Gleason, Pitkanen, Faulk and Ryan Murphy, Carolina's Top 4 is set for years to come and GM Jim Rutherford is never shy about playing hardball with impending RFAs (A couple summers back, two guys who had pretty much made the Hurricanes roster (Brett Carson and someone else who's name escapes me), were left unqualified when they didn't take Rutherford's lower offers, then re-signed shortly after July 1st. Rutherford may try it again.
-Jared Boll: Columbus might be able to re-sign Dane Byers for Boll's roll of fighter/agitator at a greatly reduced salary making Boll expendable.
-Theo Peckham: With 6 blueliners already under contract, prospects knocking on the door, the Oilers might decide to part ways with the tough-as-nails Peckham. I'd like to think the Oilers could get a pick for him, but that may not be an option. A team looking for size, snarl and shot-blocking along its blueline will gladly take him.
-Linus Omark: Omark's time in Edmonton is over, as evidenced by Edmonton making him a healthy scratch down the stretch, instead dressing 7 d-men, and Omark saying he'd rather play in the WHC than go down and play for Oklahoma in the AHL playoffs. I expect him to be dealt around the draft for a mid-round pick (Though he may sign a lucrative deal back in Europe before that happens) but if there are no suitors, it's possible the Oilers just let him become an UFA.
-Anton Stralman: With Tim Erixon waiting in the wings, it's unlikely Stralman has a place to play with the Rangers next year. Good puck handler, though there might not be a role for him in the NHL.
-Peter Regin: A second injury-plagued season might be enough for the Sens to decide to let him go. The acquisition of Kyle Turris and continued development of Zack Smith probably mean Regin would start on the 4th line for Ottawa, and Ottawa's probably not looking to pay Regin for 4th line duty.
-T.J. Galiardi: Galiardi hasn't been able to get it going down the stretch and it's not out of the realm of possibility that San Jose could wash their hands of him, should they falter in the playoffs again. Galiardi's future in San Jose could rest on his playoff performance. It's not likely they won't qualify him, but it's not impossible.
-Brian Lee: The few times I've seen him in Tampa he's looked nervous and lost. The strong play of Keith Aulie and Brendan Mikkelson down the stretch, along with prospects like Radko Gudas and AHL all-star Mark Barberio means the Lightning could very well let Lee walk. A top 10 draft pick in the same year in 2005, Lee should still got offers elsewhere, though they may be of the 2-way AHL variety.
-Cody Franson: Probably the biggest longshot on the list, but if Brian Burke wants to make a big statement about changing the culture etc. and gets not trade offers on Franson, I wouldn't be THAT shocked to see Franson go unqualified. This year was an eye-opener for Franson fans who hadn't seen him play much, Nashville fans warned last year that Franson played protected minutes with the Preds, and when he struggled to regularly crack Toronto's lineup at times this season, that warning sure seemed to ring true. Franson's upside in the NHL might be like that of Kurtis Foster, a power-play specialist with a big shot who can't handle regular minutes at even-strength.
Brian lee has been solid for Tampa, and aulie and mikkelsson have been ineffective at best down the stretch. Strange review of them. I think lee comes back to Tampa next year!

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Though it'll never happen, it wouldn't break my heart to see Kyle Quincey go without a qualifying offer.

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Brian lee has been solid for Tampa, and aulie and mikkelsson have been ineffective at best down the stretch. Strange review of them. I think lee comes back to Tampa next year!
Aullie and Mikkelson I wouldnt say have dissapointed. Lee has had more good games than bad but last few haven't been his best, but he'll get resigned.

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You guys do realize that each of these players can be signed by their current clubs at lower prices before July 1st - which is probably what is going to happen to a guy like Raymond. Canucks could offer him a 1 or 2 year deal at $2 million a season to help motivate him a bit.

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You guys do realize that each of these players can be signed by their current clubs at lower prices before July 1st - which is probably what is going to happen to a guy like Raymond. Canucks could offer him a 1 or 2 year deal at $2 million a season to help motivate him a bit.
Im hoping phoenix offers brule a two year deal for something like 1.3 per year. Hes been solid on our third/fourth line bringing hard work, grit and a little offense at times.

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Lattendresse won't be qualified at that price. He has barely played in 2 years, and was out the last half year with a concussion. The wild will try sign him at a lower price prior to July 1st and give him a chance to make it work, if he doesn't sign he will be givin a chance to test the market.

I am betting he resigns at 1 - 1.5 for a year.

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McBain will be qualified. Whether or not he'll be with the team next year remains to be seen since they can probably get a pretty nice piece up front for him. But he'll be qualified for sure.

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Brian lee has been solid for Tampa, and aulie and mikkelsson have been ineffective at best down the stretch. Strange review of them. I think lee comes back to Tampa next year!
Yeah, Lee is pretty much a lock to return to Tampa next season. He's certainly been better than Mikkelson and Aulie down the stretch.

All three will come cheap and that is why all will likely return.

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It will be interesting if any players can accidentally avoid receiving their QO from their teams and become UFA's. Can you imagine if Weber in Nashville became a UFA?

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