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04-06-2012, 11:25 AM
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Geoffrion-Gomez-Staubitz is mine
Anyone who thinks Gomez is returning to the Habs line up next year is dilusional!

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04-06-2012, 11:56 AM
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Optimistic line up for next season :

Max Paccioretty-David Desharnais-Erik Cole
Alex Semin-Tomas Plekanec-Brian Gionta
Renee Bourque-Lars Eller-Louis Leblanc
Travis Moen-Paul Gaustad-Ryan White
Brad Staubitz

Ryan Sutter-Andrei Markov
Pk Subban-Josh Gorges
Alexei Emelin-Tomas Kaberle
St Denis

Price
Budaj or a orange cone

Realistic line up for next year :

Max Paccioretty-David Desharnais-Erik Cole
Rene Bourque-Tomas Plekanec-Brian Gionta
Travis Moen-Lars Eller-Louis Leblanc
Blake Geoffrion-Ryan White-Brad Staubitz

Alexei Emelin-Andrei Markov
PK Subban- Josh Gorges
Raphael Diaz- Tomas Kaberle
St Denis

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04-06-2012, 12:05 PM
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Optimistic line up for next season :

Max Paccioretty-David Desharnais-Erik Cole
Alex Semin-Tomas Plekanec-Brian Gionta
Renee Bourque-Lars Eller-Louis Leblanc
Travis Moen-Paul Gaustad-Ryan White
Brad Staubitz

Ryan Sutter-Andrei Markov
Pk Subban-Josh Gorges
Alexei Emelin-Tomas Kaberle
St Denis

Price
Budaj or a orange cone

Realistic line up for next year :

Max Paccioretty-David Desharnais-Erik Cole
Rene Bourque-Tomas Plekanec-Brian Gionta
Travis Moen-Lars Eller-Louis Leblanc
Blake Geoffrion-Ryan White-Brad Staubitz

Alexei Emelin-Andrei Markov
PK Subban- Josh Gorges
Raphael Diaz- Tomas Kaberle
St Denis
Your realistic lineup will land us another lottery pick. Im not disagreeing with it per say. In all honesty its weak lineup even if Markov plays the whole year. Upgrades are needed everywhere. Injuries were a big part of the season but still that lineup is weak

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04-06-2012, 12:11 PM
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The only player I absolutely don't want is Semin. He has no no heart or work ethic. His teammates hate him...what else do you need to know? It would be a huge mistake.

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04-06-2012, 12:11 PM
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yeah....if only people who didn't know anything about hockey didn't post on here....I guess we wouldn't have anyone to laugh at. So thank you all you dummies for making this board humorous.
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04-06-2012, 12:14 PM
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The only player I absolutely don't want is Semin. He has no no heart or work ethic. His teammates hate him...what else do you need to know? It would be a huge mistake.
I'd take him for a year. Who else will play on the 2nd line? Bourque? Yeah, his ethic is much better

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04-06-2012, 12:15 PM
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Optimistic line up for next season :

Max Paccioretty-David Desharnais-Erik Cole
Alex Semin-Tomas Plekanec-Brian Gionta
Renee Bourque-Lars Eller-Louis Leblanc
Travis Moen-Paul Gaustad-Ryan White
Brad Staubitz

Ryan Sutter-Andrei Markov
Pk Subban-Josh Gorges
Alexei Emelin-Tomas Kaberle
St Denis

Price
Budaj or a orange cone

Realistic line up for next year :

Max Paccioretty-David Desharnais-Erik Cole
Rene Bourque-Tomas Plekanec-Brian Gionta
Travis Moen-Lars Eller-Louis Leblanc
Blake Geoffrion-Ryan White-Brad Staubitz

Alexei Emelin-Andrei Markov
PK Subban- Josh Gorges
Raphael Diaz- Tomas Kaberle
St Denis
I am of the opinion that the realistic lineup is probably close to what reality will be in September. This is not the time to invest in free agent. We are not close enough to make it work our while plus we need to develop our kids. Signing free agents greatly delays player development. In two years, the picks we will make this year (at least the first 2) should be close to making the team and then it may be worth spending on a couple of stars to make us a well rounded team. Until then, its a waste.....

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04-06-2012, 12:17 PM
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Your realistic lineup will land us another lottery pick. Im not disagreeing with it per say. In all honesty its weak lineup even if Markov plays the whole year. Upgrades are needed everywhere. Injuries were a big part of the season but still that lineup is weak
His realisitic lineup is nothing more than the current roster moving forward + resigning Moen. I rather have such a lineup than gambling on terrrible UFAs.

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04-06-2012, 12:22 PM
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My dream line up would be:

Max DD Cole
Parise Plex Gionta
Bourque Grigs Leblanc
Moen Eller White
Staubitz/DuMont

Markov Suter
Gorges PK
Kaberle Emelin
St. Denis

Pipe dream I know, but a guy can dram can't he?

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04-06-2012, 12:27 PM
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I'd take him for a year. Who else will play on the 2nd line? Bourque? Yeah, his ethic is much better
No chance Semin signs a one year contract. Signing him would be a step back IMO.

I agree, bourque is terrible, but that isn't an argument for adding a player with a sh#t attitude and no work ethic

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04-06-2012, 12:28 PM
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His realisitic lineup is nothing more than the current roster moving forward + resigning Moen. I rather have such a lineup than gambling on terrrible UFAs.
Thats totally understandable and I dont disagree. But in all honesty I really believe the new GM will make some sort of move. He will not keep the same team together. It would make little sense to keep the same line up as his predecessor when that line up finished last in east and got the habs a lottery pick. I just do not see it

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04-06-2012, 12:33 PM
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Could look like this next year...

Patches-DD-Cole
Parenteau-Plek-Forsberg
Bourque-Eller-Gionta
Prust-White-Moen
Staubitz-Blunden

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Kaberle-St-Denis
Diaz

Price
Budaj

Gomez Darche Noke Campoli Geoffrion gone
Leblanc to Hamilton
Get rid of Weber for a pick

Still dont like the Defence....

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04-06-2012, 01:45 PM
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No chance Semin signs a one year contract. Signing him would be a step back IMO.

I agree, bourque is terrible, but that isn't an argument for adding a player with a sh#t attitude and no work ethic
I'd easily use Gomez's cap on Semin. That sounds dirty.

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04-15-2012, 10:07 AM
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I've been thinking about it for a while now.. We can't spend to much money on UFAs.. So I chose UFAs that won't cost 6M like Suter, Parise, Semin, Brad Stuart

Patches - DD - Cole
UFA - Plek - Gionta (UFAs : Hudler, Parenteau)
Bourque - Eller - Leblanc/Draft
Moen/Geoffrion - White - Staubitz

If we get Gally.. Try Galchenyuk for 9 games then go back to Juniors
If Forsberg (we could try and see if he develops like Landeskog or Hamilton)

GONE : Nokes, Gomez, Darche

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Emelin
UFA - Kaberle (Matt Carle, Bryan Allen(my pick)
Diaz

Campoli gone, Weber traded at draft.

Leblanc/Forsberg - Nattinen - Palushaj (Hard workers, defensive awareness
Gallagher - Holland - Kristo (Really fast line)
Quailer - Bournival - Dumont (skill, work, checking line
Conboy - Fortier - Schultz
Avstin

Nash - St. Denis (experience, one of the best AHL duo)
Beaulieu - Ellis
Tinordi - Pateryn (shutdown pair)
Stejskal

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04-15-2012, 11:57 AM
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Anyone who thinks Gomez is returning to the Habs line up next year is dilusional!
Pax-DD-Cole
Leblanc-Plekanec-Gionta
Bourque-Eller-Palushaj
Kaberle-White-Staubitz

Gorges-Subban
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04-15-2012, 12:20 PM
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This is what I'd like to see:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Rene Bourque ($3.333m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Jaromir Jagr ($3.500m)
Travis Moen ($1.750m) / Lars Eller ($1.500m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / Gabriel Dumont ($0.572m) / Ryan White ($0.688m)
(Staubitz??)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Cory Sarich ($3.600m)
Shane O'Brien ($2.000m) / P.K. Subban ($3.250m)
Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m) / Josh Gorges ($3.900m)
Alexei Emelin ($1,250m) /
GOALTENDERS
Peter Budaj ($1.150m)
Carey Price ($6.000m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,107,000; BONUSES: $0


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My lineup was based on mostly improving our defense. Obviously, I excluded Gomez from the lineup because I believe he can be sent to Hamilton to save cap space, Molson would have to choice but to take the hit. Furthermore, with Markov, Kaberle, Diaz, Weber, St-Denis, it's obvious that our defense is redundant with small players. There's also a lack of experience. Therefore, Weber and Diaz can be used as assets in a possible hockey trade, need for need. Or, Diaz can still be sent to Hamliton I believe. Adding two experienced physical defenseman in O'brien (6'3 230 shoots left ) and Sarich (6'4 207 shoots right) would vastly improve/balance our D. I would only offer these two players 2 year contracts, until Beaulieu and Tinordi are ready. Kaberle is terrible in his own zone, therefore, if he remains on the team, he would have to be surrounded with someone like Gorges, who is responsible. Emelin and Kaberle can also be switched on occasion, depending on the opponent. Emelin is still learning, and his defensive positioning still needs work. Bryan Allen and Barret Jackman would also be good options, but they would cost us much more.

As for the offense, the first line would remain unchanged, because the chemistry is undeniable. I believe the key to improving our second line is to surround Plekanec with skilled wingers that play hockey. If we can pick up a guy like Jagr, Parenteau or Doan, it could provide Plek with a reliable, consistent winger. Bourque on the other hand, should be replaced if possible. He didn't prove that he can be a top six forward on this team, and I kind of placed him there by default. Now, getting Gionta back next year for a full season will improve our offensive depth. He can still be a 20 goal scorer at the very least. He's our captain, and he leads this team by example with his effort, game in and game out. Resigning Moen is also key, and he's proven to have good chemistry with Eller in the past. I believe Moen-Eller-Gionta would be a good third line. I'll leave the fourth line up for debate, anything can happen there depending on a number of different factors. Obviously, it be nice to have a guy like Gaustad there, but it's highly unlikely that he'd sign here. I also liked what I saw from Dumont in the last couple of games of the season.

As a side note, I think Gallagher can surprise, and make a strong case for himself to crack our roster. In my opinion, he was good enough to make our team last year, he was awesome in pre-season. Lets not forget our third overall pick this year at the draft either, Galchenuk/Grigorenko/Forsberg could also have an impact on our team next season.

Match this roster with solid coaching and management, and I believe we have a playoff team.

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04-16-2012, 08:34 AM
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This playoffs just shows how far off we are to contending. The grit, size and power on display - it's never been so obvious that this team built around smaller speedy forwards was assembled without any foresight whatsoever. We've been building up to this point. Players are taking things into their own hands. We don't have the size to compete.

Desharnais and Gionta would get smoked if we were in the playoffs this year. Add Gallagher to that in a few years? I'm actually glad we weren't in the playoffs. My God.

Our new GM will have to completely overhaul our team and address the size. I don't know how he's going to do it.

We need five players with size: two top 6 forwards, a 3rd liner, a 4th liner and a 5th / 6th defenseman.

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04-16-2012, 09:01 AM
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This playoffs just shows how far off we are to contending. The grit, size and power on display - it's never been so obvious that this team built around smaller speedy forwards was assembled without any foresight whatsoever. We've been building up to this point. Players are taking things into their own hands. We don't have the size to compete.

Desharnais and Gionta would get smoked if we were in the playoffs this year. Add Gallagher to that in a few years? I'm actually glad we weren't in the playoffs. My God.

Our new GM will have to completely overhaul our team and address the size. I don't know how he's going to do it.

We need five players with size: two top 6 forwards, a 3rd liner, a 4th liner and a 5th / 6th defenseman.
The most physical series reached that point due to cheapshots and headshots. We aren't usually involved in such goonery and if we took the very physical Bruins to a game 7 OT, we are fine. Pittsburgh's game isn't about being the biggest brute, which is what they are going for vs Philly. It isn't working out too well.

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Montreal will not sign Semin!

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Could look like this next year...

Patches-DD-Cole
Parenteau-Plek-Forsberg
Bourque-Eller-Gionta
Prust-White-Moen
Staubitz-Blunden

Gorges-Subban
Markov-Emelin
Kaberle-St-Denis
Diaz

Price
Budaj

Gomez Darche Noke Campoli Geoffrion gone
Leblanc to Hamilton
Get rid of Weber for a pick

Still dont like the Defence....
Forsberg is 17 and he has not proven himself in the Swedish league yet. He probably has 1 or 2 years maybe 3 of development ahead. Leblanc will be a 15-20 goals scorer next year. Your lines are the best receipe for a 15th place next year, unless it's what you want.

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Realistic line up for next year :

Max Paccioretty-David Desharnais-Erik Cole
Rene Bourque-Tomas Plekanec-Brian Gionta
Travis Moen-Lars Eller-Louis Leblanc
Blake Geoffrion-Ryan White-Brad Staubitz

Alexei Emelin-Andrei Markov
PK Subban- Josh Gorges
Raphael Diaz- Tomas Kaberle
St Denis
That's not a realistic line up for next season...that's a worst case lineup.

New GM and cap space guarantees that changes will be made.

I think we will bring in at least 2 UFA forwards, possibly 3.

The D might stay more or less the same. I think we move Weber to try to get a more physical depth defenceman in return.

I could see...

Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole
Bourque-Plekanec-(UFA)
Moen-Eller-Gionta
Geoffrion-(UFA)-White
Staubitz

Markov-Emelin
Gorges-Subban
Kaberle-(UFA/Weber trade)
Diaz

UFA 2nd line forward - Parise would be the dream but highly unlikely. I'd be willing to role the dice on Semin. But a guy like Parenteau is probabably the more likely scenario.

UFA 4th C - Gaustad is the obvious choice. Excellent fit for us.

UFA/trade 6th D - If we go the UFA route i'd look at O'Brien, Vandermeer, Bickel, Carkner,etc.


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The most physical series reached that point due to cheapshots and headshots. We aren't usually involved in such goonery and if we took the very physical Bruins to a game 7 OT, we are fine. Pittsburgh's game isn't about being the biggest brute, which is what they are going for vs Philly. It isn't working out too well.
I disagree. Every series (except Jersey and Florida because I haven't watched it) has been a war. We won't be fine. Think about it. We took a very physical Bruins team to a game 7 in OT - okay. And if we had gotten through that, what would we do next?

If a team constantly takes beatings, if you make it out of round 1, you're going to run out of gas and you won't survive long.

You need the size even if it's just to absorb the hits.

If you take enough of a pounding, you're out in the 2nd round anyways due to fatigue and injuries.

Look at how Talbot is killing the Penguins. That alone should explain why the playoffs are different from the regular season. You have to build your team to win the war.

Not to mention, teams will take liberties. Ottawa won because they banded together after Carkner stood up for Karlsson. We don't have guys who can make a statement. That's the problem.

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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Grigorenko - Ryan
Moen - Eller - Gionta
Geoffrion - White - Staubitz

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Sarich
Emelin - Kaberle

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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
Bourque - Grigorenko - Ryan
Moen - Eller - Gionta
Geoffrion - White - Staubitz

Gorges - Subban
Markov - Sarich
Emelin - Kaberle
I assume you've traded Plek - in some package or another - for Ryan. Care to explain how you made that happen? I love Ryan, but it won't be easy or painless to pry him out of Anaheim.

BTW, switch Grig for Gal and I'm on board with your plan.

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I'm not convinced any of Gal, Grigs or Forsberg is ready to make the jump from Junior to NHL. I'm not even sure Nail is ready, he seems kind of small.

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