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#81 KINGS v SHARKS, 4/5/12, OT Loss T&T ... Sharks steal one @ Staples

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04-06-2012, 06:12 PM
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I honestly find all the outrage at Clowe's play from the bench a bit silly. It was a ridiculous move on his part but hardly worth all this venom. It is what it is, a missed call and a dumb move by a knucklehead who got away with it. At some point you've got to let it go. Had I been a Sharks fan I would have laughed about it too.

I'm more mad about the things that are legitimately concerning going forward than something out of the Kings control. No more of that run and gun BS at home in playoff type games. Shut it down like you do on the road and play smart. Learn from last year and do it right this time. Stop the dumb penalties and keep your emotions in check, never too high, never too low.

The saving grace is that it happened before the playoffs this time.

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04-06-2012, 06:16 PM
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He played the puck with his stick, which is an element of the too many men rule. Since this is even worse than a bad substitution, too many men is the least infraction that could have been called. The linesman has the right to call too many men and IMO should have done so in this case if he spotted such a play being missed by both refs.

EDIT: Another reason why a linesman could have intervened in this case ... check Rule 32.5. "A linesman shall stop play ... (xi) When the puck is interfered with by an ineligible player/person." http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26320
Is that just saying the ref should have blown the play dead? Those seem to be "things they stop play for", not anything that sends a player in the penalty box. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, though.

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04-06-2012, 07:16 PM
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Relax guys, it will happen again now. The league will look stupid, it will ruin a playoff game. All the fans making fun of king fans and laughing, will be up in arms.

It will be comical...

And we will be saying, I told you soooooo...


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04-06-2012, 07:33 PM
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The guys on the NBC Sports Network didn't think it was a big deal either. Now I hope it happens in other games from now on, I truly do.

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04-06-2012, 07:40 PM
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Is that just saying the ref should have blown the play dead? Those seem to be "things they stop play for", not anything that sends a player in the penalty box. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, though.
Part of the rules in that section of the rulebook that outlines linesmen's duties, is that they can stop play for numerous certain spelled-out reasons and also report a variety of certain infractions to referees.

The bottom line is, in this case, the rulebook definitely supports a linesman being able to stop play in a case like the Clowe situation, and an appropriate penalty could then have been assessed.

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04-06-2012, 08:49 PM
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Part of the rules in that section of the rulebook that outlines linesmen's duties, is that they can stop play for numerous certain spelled-out reasons and also report a variety of certain infractions to referees.

The bottom line is, in this case, the rulebook definitely supports a linesman being able to stop play in a case like the Clowe situation, and an appropriate penalty could then have been assessed.
I think the plays they can stop dead and the ones they can stop and report to the refs so they can call them are broken out into separate sections. The rule for interference describes what Clowe did. But I do think the rule book should be changed.

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04-06-2012, 09:27 PM
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So because nothing happened why don't guys start doing this on a regular basis? They can always point to the fact that Clowe got away with it and there were no consequences.

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04-06-2012, 09:37 PM
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He played the puck with his stick, which is an element of the too many men rule. Since this is even worse than a bad substitution, too many men is the least infraction that could have been called. The linesman has the right to call too many men and IMO should have done so in this case if he spotted such a play being missed by both refs.

EDIT: Another reason why a linesman could have intervened in this case ... check Rule 32.5. "A linesman shall stop play ... (xi) When the puck is interfered with by an ineligible player/person." http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26320
Yes, you are correct that a linesman can call that penalty, but its a moot point because both of them didn't see the play.

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So because nothing happened why don't guys start doing this on a regular basis? They can always point to the fact that Clowe got away with it and there were no consequences.
There are consequences. It's a two-minute minor. You really think players sitting on the bench are going to start doing this and put their team at a man disadvantage in a crucial playoff game?

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04-06-2012, 09:52 PM
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The guys on the NBC Sports Network didn't think it was a big deal either. Now I hope it happens in other games from now on, I truly do.
I just saw this too - did you hear what they said? I think is was Milbury saying something like: ".... well, it should have been called to creat a power play for the Kings..." WTF?!?! He didn't even realize that the Kings were already on the PP and the clowe "penalty" would have made it a 5-on-3 with 2 minutes to go in the game. No one corrected him, since they didn't know what was going on either.

If this had happened in phil, NY or Boston, you damn well know they would have known the call would have resulted in a 5-on-3 PP.

Wouldn't you think that NBC would have some asshat interns sittting around at all hours of the night watching the west coast games to take notes on this stuff and all? Especially just before the playoffs?

Wow - That's ESPN-type hockey coverage for sure. Bring back OLN!!

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I honestly find all the outrage at Clowe's play from the bench a bit silly. It was a ridiculous move on his part but hardly worth all this venom. It is what it is, a missed call and a dumb move by a knucklehead who got away with it. At some point you've got to let it go.
Speak for yourself.

The Kings have won one division title in 44 years. ONE. A win last night and they would be at something like 95% odds to win a 2nd division title. Now they'll need help from a Phx loss, and if they had won last night, they wouldn't have as much pressure to win tomorrow night. They still could win tomorrow, and not win the division.

The sharks have won what, 8 - 10 division titles in 20 fewer years?? And THEY get this INCREDIBLE giftwrapped break?!?

And yes, when you ain't won **** in 20 years, a Division title would mean a lot.

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04-06-2012, 10:07 PM
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Funny stuff, but its been changed back again.

However, his wiki page has captured last night's events for, hopefully, eternity.


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On Bench Incident Ryane Clowe illegaly used his stick while being on the bench to help with the San Jose Sharks' 6-5 victory over the Los Angeles Kings on April 5, 2012.
Kings forward Jarret Stoll made a rush up ice late in the third period, Clowe reached over the boards with his stick to swipe at the puck, barely catching it and knocking it loose from Stoll.
Three players from the Kings immediately raised their arms to point out the infraction, but neither referee saw the play.
Ryan Clowe acted dumbfounded when the Media approached him. "I have no idea what you guys are talking about," Clowe said. "I'll have to see the video or something. Someone show me the video."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryane_Clowe

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04-06-2012, 10:17 PM
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So because nothing happened why don't guys start doing this on a regular basis? They can always point to the fact that Clowe got away with it and there were no consequences.
Someone will, WHY not ? if it stops a clear cut Scoring chance. The punishment is only 2 mins, hey the refs might not even see it.

Also nothing is going to happen to you after as well. There are plenty of guys in the league that really don't care about rep.

Someone is going to do it in the playoff's lets just hope it's not game 7 of the cup final (decides the game). That would be a huge black eye for hockey.

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04-06-2012, 10:19 PM
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Yes, you are correct that a linesman can call that penalty, but its a moot point because both of them didn't see the play.
Since someone tried to tell me only a ref could call that play, I wanted to point out what I was reading in the rules.

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If we're in an OT game in the playoffs and the other team has a 2 on 1 from center, one of our guys from the bench should pull a Clowe.

I'd rather take a penalty than give up a 2 on 1 in OT.

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04-06-2012, 10:28 PM
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The guys on the NBC Sports Network didn't think it was a big deal either. Now I hope it happens in other games from now on, I truly do.
that's because NBC would only give a **** if it involved Pittsburg, NYR, Philly, Boston or Washington.

They don't give a damn what happens in any other game.

If this had happened in the Pitt/NYR game yday, there would be an instant league investigation.

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lol. awesome

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