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What are the prevailing opinions on forwards in D spots on power plays and defensemen as forwards on PKs?

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Who's the YS knowitall? I have a couple of 16yos that I can't read. One is showing 88/79 and the other 80/82. When pulled, they showed ?29 & ?25AI. The next day it was ?24 & ?23. Today it's ?30 & ?29. I'm sure their Potential is **** like damn near every other player I've pulled in the last 10 seasons, but the Qs?

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What are the prevailing opinions on forwards in D spots on power plays and defensemen as forwards on PKs?
I put my best trainers wherever they can fit. For a while, I had 3 forwards killing penalties. I'm currently using 4 forwards on one PP, but the forward on D isn't doing much. Special teams haven't made a big impact for me this season either way. Through the first 8 games, there were 5 PP goals scored total. I might have to go through the toher games to see if anything's changed.

EDIT: Did some quick math.
Shorthanded 86 times
PPGA 8
SHG For 3

Power Plays 132
PPG 18 (5 in today's game against rebuilding Wasphawks)
SHG Allowed 5

Take away today's ridiculous game and there's been 21 PPG and 8 SHG scored. 31 of 107 goals scored in 21 games. Is that a lot? It doesn't feel like it. Looking at the scores, special teams have only had a big part in a couple of games.


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I should look up my team's special teams stats as I've been running four forwards and one d-man on both PP units, while the PK units either get three d-men and one center or two d-men and two forwards, but all forwards must have at least one point in DEF to play on the PK.

EDIT: This may not be entirely accurate as I just added up all penalties during a game instead of looking to see if one cancelled out a PP or PK. Or I suppose it doesn't matter because even if it did the remaining time goes the other way. *shrugs*

Powerplays 129
PPG 38
SHGA 1
PP% 29.46%

Times Shorthanded 94
PPGA 11
SHG 8
PK% 88.30%

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EDIT: Did some quick math.
Shorthanded 86 times
PPGA 8
SHG For 3

Power Plays 132
PPG 18 (5 in today's game against rebuilding Wasphawks)
SHG Allowed 5

Is that a lot? It doesn't feel like it. Looking at the scores, special teams have only had a big part in a couple of games.
Doing some quick math your PP% is 13.64%, and PK% is 90.70%.


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Who's the YS knowitall? I have a couple of 16yos that I can't read. One is showing 88/79 and the other 80/82. When pulled, they showed ?29 & ?25AI. The next day it was ?24 & ?23. Today it's ?30 & ?29. I'm sure their Potential is **** like damn near every other player I've pulled in the last 10 seasons, but the Qs?
I think I am.

Based on what you told me, I'd guess the first guy is 87-89 and the second is 83-85.

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My special teams stats:

102 Power Plays
18 PPG (17.65%)
3 SHGA

107 Penalty Kills
9 PPGA (91.59%)
9 SHG

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I did some more calculations to add up the total amount of PP points and divide them into three categories: forward at forward position, forward at defense, and defense at defense. I did the same with SHP with F at F, D at F, and D at D.

PPP
60 F at F 67.42%
19 F at D 21.35%
10 D at D 11.24%

SHP
8 F at F 80%
0 D at F 0%
2 D at D 20%

The percentages represent the percent that the the category is per the total number of points. For instance 60 points out of 89 is 67% of the total points on the PP come from a forward playing the forward position. These numbers make it seem like there is a slight uptick in point production at D by having a forward there versus having a d-man there.

However this is just one team, so it would be interesting to see these numbers from another team to see if it holds true.

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Doing some quick math your PP% is 13.64%, and PK% is 90.70%.
That PK% is ridiculous. Especially considering I'm in I.1. I started the season with my top two lines occupying most of the PP/PK. Which means the kids were the top PP & PK. After starting the season 1-3-6, I started making some changes. At first, I just moved the 3rd line to the first line. That didn't change much. So I added them to the top PP. The kids are now only on PP2. But my PK has never been a problem. I think the only time I changed it up was when I bought Schifferle to replace Vernon.

Here's the image of my special teams that I shared with forsbergwannabe earlier in the season. It has McNally subbing for the other 23yo dman Kalafus. Kalafus is very similar to Kronholm.

I've swapped the PPs around a bit to try to produce some goals. I added a couple of forwards from the big line. But that's the only PK units that I've used since I bought Schifferle. They've only allowed 8PPGs and scored 3 shorties. Through 22 games. In I.1. Insane.

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I think I am.

Based on what you told me, I'd guess the first guy is 87-89 and the second is 83-85.

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Boo. You suck!

Thanks. That's what I was expecting. Today they're both showing ?24AI. They probably suck. Their Ps are showing too high to have good Qs anyway. At least that's the way my YS works these days.

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Boo. You suck!

Thanks. That's what I was expecting. Today they're both showing ?24AI. They probably suck. Their Ps are showing too high to have good Qs anyway. At least that's the way my YS works these days.
If they hit ?31 AI, 90-91 would be a possibility. But I've never had a 16 year old show 30 or less and have 90+Q. And I think you've probably seen their max range. You have 100 scouting, right?

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haha, of course they match me up against Tujague.

Congrats on your semifinals appearance!

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If they hit ?31 AI, 90-91 would be a possibility. But I've never had a 16 year old show 30 or less and have 90+Q. And I think you've probably seen their max range. You have 100 scouting, right?
Yep. 100% scouting. Which drives me nuts. I hate watching the AI fluctuate all over the place.

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haha, of course they match me up against Tujague.

Congrats on your semifinals appearance!
Congrats on making it this far. Have you made it here before? I think last season was my best finish and I was knocked out in group E. I've never been very good in the NC. Mostly because I use it to build TS. I've actually tried this season and I've had a relatively easy path to the Quarters.

I think you have as good a chance as I do. Our teams have very similar ratings. You have 176.5 in Goal/Def/Off, while I only have 170.7. Team Strength ranks are 300 to my 255. I guess the big difference there is the experience.

Whatever. At least one of us will make it to the Semis. That's awesome It should be fun. When's the last time we played?

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Yep. 100% scouting. Which drives me nuts. I hate watching the AI fluctuate all over the place.



Congrats on making it this far. Have you made it here before? I think last season was my best finish and I was knocked out in group E. I've never been very good in the NC. Mostly because I use it to build TS. I've actually tried this season and I've had a relatively easy path to the Quarters.

I think you have as good a chance as I do. Our teams have very similar ratings. You have 176.5 in Goal/Def/Off, while I only have 170.7. Team Strength ranks are 300 to my 255. I guess the big difference there is the experience.

Whatever. At least one of us will make it to the Semis. That's awesome It should be fun. When's the last time we played?
You have me in EXP by a mile, and that should be the difference. That is why I won't probably ever make it to I.

The last time we met was also in the NC. You got the win in a close 2-1 game.

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You have me in EXP by a mile, and that should be the difference. That is why I won't probably ever make it to I.

The last time we met was also in the NC. You got the win in a close 2-1 game.
That caught me off guard. I assumed you would have the exp edge. I didn't realize the difference between III & IV would be so big. Did yo drop all the way down to V? If you could have held on for one more season in III.1, you would have been golden. That league went to **** right after you relegated.

And you'll definitely get to I.1. Unless things have changed greatly, II.1 isn't a very tough league anymore.

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Unless things have changed greatly, II.1 isn't a very tough league anymore.
No, it is not; neither is I.1 though.

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That caught me off guard. I assumed you would have the exp edge. I didn't realize the difference between III & IV would be so big. Did yo drop all the way down to V? If you could have held on for one more season in III.1, you would have been golden. That league went to **** right after you relegated.

And you'll definitely get to I.1. Unless things have changed greatly, II.1 isn't a very tough league anymore.
Yeah I did drop all the way down to V, my exp is ****.

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Yeah I did drop all the way down to V, my exp is ****.
Serious question: What qualifies as **** EXP? Or, what qualifies as decent EXP?

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Serious question: What qualifies as **** EXP? Or, what qualifies as decent EXP?
Let's just say I have guys in my starting lineup who are pretty old who still haven't hit 100 exp.

And I don't have a single guy with 200 exp

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Let's just say I have guys in my starting lineup who are pretty old who still haven't hit 100 exp.

And I don't have a single guy with 200 exp
Wow. Ok.

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Wow. Ok.
This is why despite high ave AI, I know it will be an uphilll battle against guys who have tons of exp on me.

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Are you saying you have guys that are 27+ years old that haven't hit 100 EXP?

That sounds ridiculous since the majority of my core has been developed in IV, and the four best players have 200 EXP (well 3 do, the 4th is only 8 points away).

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I rolled 4 lines for a long time, my top line that has always had top minutes and top pp are 150-175 exp.

My bottom lines which never got pp time have guys that are 25-26 and are still under 100 exp.

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Oh, four lines. There's your problem. Never rebuild with four lines.

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Oh, four lines. There's your problem. Never rebuild with four lines.
Only rebuilt once. Don't plan on rebuilding again.

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I'm actually feeling pretty good about my EXP, which is why I was wondering. I'm not quite sure what the II.1 and I.1 benchmarks are, but six seasons from now I'm projecting that nine of the guys I have in my current lineup will be 300+AI with EXP ranging from 150-350. I think I should at least be able to make it to I.1 with that group, and maybe do some damage if I have a decent goalie.

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Same here, I don't want to put in the time to scour the market for top youth. I'll never go back to four lines again, it wastes too much potential training. Instead I'll try to keep adding in youth every few seasons to retool.

The next major retool will be in 2-3 seasons when I'll need to add two young wingers to replace two of my core forwards. Hopefully the EXP the younger guys get in II and III will be enough to help me survive in II, that and my young goalie starting to come into his own.

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Same here, I don't want to put in the time to scour the market for top youth. I'll never go back to four lines again, it wastes too much potential training. Instead I'll try to keep adding in youth every few seasons to retool.

The next major retool will be in 2-3 seasons when I'll need to add two young wingers to replace two of my core forwards. Hopefully the EXP the younger guys get in II and III will be enough to help me survive in II, that and my young goalie starting to come into his own.
By one rebuild I meant this is it, I'm quitting the game when these guys become geezers.

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