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04-07-2012, 12:36 AM
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Best assembled line of the draft ''Busher'' Jackson - Milt Schmidt - Gordie Drillon. Bargain basement 1st liner on both side, with a tremendous 2-way centre to cover their flaws and strong enough to wrok with them offensively.


But Jackson isn't bargain basement 1st liner. He is top 15 (maybe top 10) LW.

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04-07-2012, 01:06 AM
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But Jackson isn't bargain basement 1st liner. He is top 15 (maybe top 10) LW.
You're absolutely right.

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04-07-2012, 01:30 AM
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Biggest Steal of the draft: Ernie ''Moose'' Johnson, best defenceman of a generation. For over a decade was among the elite.
Biggest Reach of the draft: Clark Gillies, I get that few if any players offer his skills, but, he just has no place on an ATD scoring line...
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Joe Primeau
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: Bob Johnson, there is just no way he is a top 6 coach...
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: Georges Vezina
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: Rick Tocchet
A player you've discovered in this draft: Smokey Harris
Favourite line of the draft: George Hay - Frank Fredrickson - Bill Cook
Best assembled line of the draft: Smokey Harris - Nels Stewart - Alf Smith
Worst assembled line of the draft: Jan Erixon - Orland Kurtenbach - Mike Keane
Favourite pairing of defensemen: Lloyd Cook - Kimmo Timonen
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: Doug Mohns - Randy Carlyle
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals: Whomever has the worst team. What? Winning is one of my interests...
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals: Inglewood Jacks. Wayne Gretzky, with dat defence!
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft: The ATD memes.

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Best selection: You cannot vote for players you own
1st round: N/A
2nd round: Martin Brodeur, G
3rd round: N/A
4th round: Ernie ''Moose'' Johnson, D
5th round: Hod Stuart, D
6th round: Luc Robitaille, LW
7th round: Georges Vezina, G
8th round: N/A
9th round: Alf Smith, LW
10th round: N/A
11th round: George Hay, LW
12nd round: Eddie Oatman, RW (But come on, it's Art Duncan...)
13th round: Rusty Crawford, LW/C
14th round: Lloyd Cook, D
15th round: Cecil Hart, Coach
16th round: Bobby Smith, C
17th round: Zinetula Bilyaletdinov, D
18th round: Marian Gaborik, RW
19th round: Chuck Rayner, G
20th round: Murray Murdoch, LW/C
21st round: Percy LeSueur, G
22nd round: John Ross Roach, G
23th round: Ken Randall, D/RW
24th round: Ladislav Trojak, F
25th round: Dennis Maruk, C

'Worst' Selection
1st round: N/A
2nd round: N/A
3rd round: Rod Langway, D/Serge Savard, D (Not a fan of either as #1s)
4th round: Yvan Cournoyer, RW (A mistake I made last year...)
5th round: Clark Gillies, LW (At least he went after Tommy Phillips)
6th round: N/A
7th round: Cy Wentworth, D/Bob Baun, D
8th round: N/A
9th round: N/A
10th round: Bert Corbeau, D
11th round: Vsevolod Bobrov, LW
12nd round: Pete Mahovlich, C/LW or Reed Larson, D
13th round: Vic Hadfield, LW
14th round: Bob Nystrom, RW
15th round: N/A
16th round: Bill Barilko, D
17th round: Tomas Holmstrom, RW
18th round: Billy Boucher, RW
19th round: Boris Alexandrov, LW
20th round: Ron Hextall, G
21st round: Chris Osgood, G
22nd round: Jay Pandolfo, LW
23th round: N/A
24th round: Kelly Hrudey, G
25th round: Milan Lucic, LW

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04-07-2012, 01:56 AM
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how is Boris Alexandrov not a unanimous choice for worst pick of round 19??

Hejduk? Owen? and TDMM undecided?

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I have to ask, whats wrong with McCrimmon in the 7th round?

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04-07-2012, 05:17 AM
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I agree that proven chemistry is nice, but you are over-stating their success.

They were the best offensive players on a stacked team. Their offense wasn't what drove the team's success. It was important, but it was secondary to the team's dominant defensive style.
What does it matter? So are we to say that Jarri Kurri's good defensive play means absolutely nothing because that isn't what drove Edmonton's success during those years? You can't win a game 0-0.. and Denneny/Nighbor were the ones counted on to win those games. Defense, contrary to popular belief, wins JACK ****! Scoring is what wins, and these guys led 5 championship teams in that regard.

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Denneny is no 60-70 player.
Your opinion. Don't state it as fact.

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04-07-2012, 05:24 AM
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Biggest Steal of the draft Joel Otto
Biggest Reach of the draft Dion Phaneuf
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft Arkady Chernyshev
Biggest blunder selection of the draft N/A
A Player finally getting respect in the draft Zdeno Chara
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft Vladimir Konstantinov
A player you've discovered in this draft the existence of Boris Alexandrov
Most underrated player taken Percy LeSuer / Dan Bain
Most overrated player taken Wendel Clark / Dion Phaneuf
Favourite line of the draft Damphousse - Sundin - Larmer
Best assembled line of the draft Bucyk - Sakic - Hull
Worst assembled line of the draft Whitney - Sutter - Henderson
Favourite pairing of defensemen Lidstrom - Murphy
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen Turnbull - Reinhart
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals Toronto Maple Leafs
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals Inglewood Jacks
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft N/A

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Best selection: You cannot vote for players you own
1st round: N/A
2nd round: Sprague Cleghorn
3rd round: Brett Hull
4th round: Eric Lindros
5th round: Denis Savard
6th round: Martin St.Louis
7th round: Georges Vezina
8th round: Frank McGee
9th round: Rod Brind'Amour
10th round: Jere Lehtinen
11th round: Al Arbour
12nd round: Fred Shero
13th round: Joel Otto
14th round: Craig Ludwig
15th round: Mats Naslund
16th round: Shane Doan
17th round: Dan Bain
18th round: Ray Whitney
19th round: Tim Thomas
20th round: Al Rollins
21st round: Percy LeSuer / Mike Liut
22nd round: Pavol Demitra
23th round: Steve Duchesne
24th round: Ladislav Trojak
25th round: Jason Spezza

'Worst' Selection
1st round: N/A
2nd round: N/A
3rd round: Doug Gilmour
4th round: Alexei Kasatonov
5th round: Pavel Datsyuk
6th round: Vaclav Nedomansky
7th round: Henrik Zetterberg
8th round: Sergei Gonchar
9th round: Adam Foote
10th round: Rick Tocchett
11th round: Randy Carlyle
12nd round: Ulf Samuelsson
13th round: Wendel Clark
14th round: John Madden
15th round: Duncan Keith
16th round: Dion Phaneuf
17th round: Brian Rolston
18th round: Ryan Kesler
19th round: Milan Hejduk
20th round: Mattias Ohlund
21st round: Kirk Maltby
22nd round: MA Fleury
23th round: Dan Bylsma
24th round: Kelly Hrudey
25th round: Pavel Kubina


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04-07-2012, 06:24 AM
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What does it matter?
It matters because their offense didn't carry them to thoses championships. You stated it like that's what happened.

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So are we to say that Jarri Kurri's good defensive play means absolutely nothing because that isn't what drove Edmonton's success during those years?
If you said, Jari Kurri carried the Oilers to 5 cups with his defense, then we'd be on the same level.

Nighbor and Denneny putting up goals helped the team win - there's no denying that. That scoring, however, was secondary to the team's defensive strategies.

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You can't win a game 0-0
You can't win of you don't score..... just like you can't lose if you don't get scored on.

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Denneny/Nighbor were the ones counted on to win those games.
They were counted on to score. Team defense was the primary factor in the results of those games.

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Defense, contrary to popular belief, wins JACK ****!
That's just plain ignorance.

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Scoring is what wins, and these guys led 5 championship teams in that regard.
Scoring is PART of winning, and they did lead the team in that regard.

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04-07-2012, 06:59 AM
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Biggest Steal of the draft Helmut Balderis #318
Biggest Reach of the draft Punch Broadbent #143
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft All the starting goalies who went really late.
Biggest blunder selection of the draft Punch Broadbent #143 (the worst blunder is to get bad value)
A Player finally getting respect in the draft Alexander Maltsev #110
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft George Hainesworth #333
A player you've discovered in this draft Russel Bowie, I guess
Most underrated player taken Frank Brimsek #111
Most overrated player taken Sidney Crosby #115
Favourite line of the draft Denneny - Nighbor - Balderis
Best assembled line of the draft Three-way tie: Bucyk - Sakic - Hull // Nash - Turgeon - MacLean // Balon - Clarke - Hossa (not counting lines that reunite real-life linemates)
Worst assembled line of the draft Bobrov - Cowley - Bauer
Favourite pairing of defensemen Lidström - Murphy
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen Mohns - Carlyle
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals n/a
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals n/a
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft

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Best selection: You cannot vote for players you own
1st round: --
2nd round: --
3rd round: Andy Bathgate #74
4th round: Frank Brimsek #111
5th round: Denis Savard #157
6th round: Joe Thornton #189
7th round: Georges Vezina #223
8th round: Grant Fuhr #225
9th round: Phil Housley #284
10th round: Helmut Balderis #318
11th round: Dany Heatley #344
12nd round: Milan Novy #371
13th round: Barry Beck #402
14th round: Vladimir Vikulov #426
15th round: Hap Holmes #454
16th round: Barrasso/Lumley #487/498
17th round: Thomas Steen #529
18th round: Curtis Joseph #547
19th round: Kimmo Timonen #587
20th round: Red Sullivan #630
21st round: Percy LeSueur #650
22nd round: Bobby Rowe #697
23th round: Doug Barkley #707
24th round: Rick Meagher #753
25th round: Roman Hamrlik #790

'Worst' Selection
1st round: --
2nd round: --
3rd round: Langway/Savard (I agree with Nalyd here...this is the point where the defenseman value gets really bad)
4th round: Sidney Crosby #115
5th round: Punch Broadbent #143
6th round: Lanny MacDonald #162
7th round: lots of rough ones...Lafontaine, Bailey, Vasko, Wentworth, Baun, Bowman and Malkin - take your pick
8th round: Vladimir Krutov #228 (big surprise here...I hate Krutov)
9th round: Adam Foote #281
10th round: Bert Corbeau #300
11th round: Pat Egan #324
12nd round: Bob Johnson #370
13th round: Wally Stanowski #388
14th round: Steve Smith #432
15th round: Stefan Persson #457
16th round: ...don't see any really bad ones
17th round: Kris Draper #518
18th round: Ray Whitney #568
19th round: ...don't see any really bad ones
20th round: ...don't see any really bad ones
21st round: ...spares, don't care
22nd round: ...spares, don't care
23th round: ...spares, don't care
24th round: ...spares, don't care
25th round: ...spares, don't care

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04-07-2012, 07:54 AM
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A Player finally getting respect in the draft: Dan Boyle. Where was this respect when I had him on my bottom pairing last year, Sturm?
It was there, but I didn't have a lot to say about Boyle for a few reasons. First, with active players there is always a phase where their career/peak hasn't been long enough for them to be taken seriously in an all-time sense...and then suddenly it is long enough. I think Boyle just crossed that threshhold from a career perspective. Last season was an excellent year for Boyle; he really carried the team in both the regular season and playoffs, but obviously he hadn't done all that at the time you drafted him.

Also, I was ignorant of just how good he was in Tampa starting all the way back in 2002-03, and especially at even strength. I knew he was a great ES player in San Jose, but I didn't know he had been a great ES player in Tampa, as well. Boyle's ES icetime among NHL defensemen during the Tampa years is 19th, 17th, 11th, 1st (with a large lead vs. the next guy on the Bolts in every season); his ES scoring during that period is 9th, 7th, 5th, 9th. It is actually Boyle's powerplay production that has gone up and down somewhat throughout his career. He has been a remarkably consistent player at even strength. His even strength points over the last eight seasons (excluding the injury year and counting this year) are: 26, 24, 28, 25, 24, 29, 23, 29, and his ESGA rates have been consistently good throughout. My eyes told me that he had been an underrated even strength player, but even I didn't know to what extent.

Finally, I had my own team to attend to, you were one of my rivals, and I knew what a headwind would face anyone who wanted to argue that Boyle is actually a strong two-way player. It just wasn't worth the trouble. Sorry. A fair evaluation of Boyle last year might have won your team the title. One of the things I have enjoyed most this year is that I have been able to take the time to fully research and, if appropriate, "sell" players who I really like, not just the ones on my team. I suppose a complete list of apologies owed would have to include the previous owners of Barry Beck, Frank Brimsek, Jean Ratelle and Helmut Balderis (wait, no...that was VanI), as well. I rather enjoy playing the role of ATD chimera, just saying what I think. This year, I've probably helped Lada and Montreal the most. Next year, it will be somebody else.

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Biggest Steal of the draft: Ted Harris #381
Biggest Reach of the draft: Chris Pronger #50
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Pavel Datsyuk #145
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: A tie between Barillko and Jovanovski
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: I am a rookie so don't know whos been underrated but I guess some russians like Balderis and Maltsev have been underrated
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: No clue
A player you've discovered in this draft: a bunch of guys, most of them were players dreakmur suggested haha
Most underrated player taken: The two-way trio in rnd 8 Alfie/Hossa/Tikks
Most overrated player taken: Malkin and certainly Crosby.
Favourite line of the draft: Ted Lindsay (C) - Duke Keats - Teemu Selanne
Best assembled line of the draft: Ted Lindsay (C) - Duke Keats - Teemu Selanne
Worst assembled line of the draft: Syd Howe - Stan Mikita - Lanny McDonald (A)
Favourite pairing of defensemen: Denis Potvin - Bob Baun
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: Stefan Persson-Bill Barilko
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft

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Best selection: You cannot vote for players you own
1st round: Gordie Howe #3
2nd round: Börje Salming #62
3rd round: Alex Delvecchio #81
4th round: Frank Brimsek #111
5th round: Denis Savard #157
6th round: .....
7th round: Zetterberg #212
8th round: 240. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Daniel Alfredsson, RW, 241. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Marian Hossa, RW, 242. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Esa Tikkanen, LW
9th round: 258. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Rod Brind'Amour, C/LW
10th round: 319. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Alexander Mogilny, RW
11th round: 346. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Zigmund Palffy, RW

'Worst' Selection
1st round: 21. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Patrick Roy, G
2nd round: 50. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Chris Pronger, D
3rd round: 83. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Rod Langway, D
4th round: 115. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Sidney Crosby, C
5th round: 143. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Punch Broadbent, RW
6th round: 162. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Lanny McDonald, RW
7th round: 207. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Evgeni Malkin, C
8th round: 234. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Markus Naslund, LW
9th round: 281. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Adam Foote, D
10th round: 300. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Bert Corbeau, D

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04-07-2012, 09:58 AM
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Why does no one like Punch Broadbent?

He seems to be making that last list an awful lot.

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Why does no one like Punch Broadbent?

He seems to be making that last list an awful lot.
He just has a pretty thin offensive resume for a forward taken in the 5th round. Not sure what he did pre-NHL, but it looks like he really only had the one notable season in the NHL (a great season, but still). And that season is such a statistical outlier that it makes you wonder what happened that year. Not a bad guy to have on your team, but ultimately he's a supporting player taken in the 5th round. So that's the reason I would think.

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He just has a pretty thin offensive resume for a forward taken in the 5th round. Not sure what he did pre-NHL, but it looks like he really only had the one notable season in the NHL (a great season, but still). And that season is such a statistical outlier that it makes you wonder what happened that year. Not a bad guy to have on your team, but ultimately he's a supporting player taken in the 5th round. So that's the reason I would think.
Yeah, that's it. Broadbent and Gillies are pretty much the poster boys for the bronze age of the ATD, so to speak. It's great to have a guy like that on your team, but the ultimate difference between a Broadbent and a guy like Watson doesn't even come close to justifying a 5th round pick.

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Biggest Steal of the draft - Moose Johnson at #127.
Biggest Reach of the draft - Pronger at #50. Personally my Staal pick was a reach at #433, I probably could have snagged him where i landed Bertuzzi. Not a bad pick, just too early.
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft - Any number of goalies selected in the 15th round and later. It didn't backfire nearly as much as I thought might happen.
Biggest blunder selection of the draft - Bill Barilko, really not sure what makes him ATD worthy rather then just a decent MLDer.
A Player finally getting respect in the draft - Maltsev
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft - Cam Neely
A player you've discovered in this draft - Dave Balon, did not know jack about the guy until I started to research for good two-way LWs that also put up some nice numbers. Originally had hoped for Tikkanen for that wing but Balon should work nicely.
Most underrated player taken - Tikkanen or Alfy in the 8th round
Most overrated player taken - Clarke Gillies, unique package but I don't think he really deserves to go as early as he does.
Favourite line of the draft - Goulet - Mario - Makarov... holy ****.
Best assembled line of the draft - Nash - Turgeon - Mclean
Worst assembled line of the draft - Whitney - Sutter - Henderson, good players in their own right but where's the cohesion?
Favourite pairing of defensemen - Bouchard - Robinson
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen Persson - Barilko
Team in the other conference it'd be interesting to meet in the finals - Austrailia Mighty Roos, similar build and the goalie I almost took myself.
Team in the other conference you wouldn't want to meet in the finals - Inglewood Jacks... christ, Gretzky with THAT backing him up?
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft - the memes.

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Best selection: You cannot vote for players you own
1st round: Messier at #28 - nearly took him a dozen picks earlier, not sure how he slipped that far
2nd round: Geoffrion at #64
3rd round: Bathgate at #74
4th round: Oates at #124 or Moose Johnson at #127
5th round: Datsyuk at #145
6th round: Thornton at #189
7th round: Vezina at #223
8th round: Tikkanen at #242 or Alfredsson at #240
9th round: Theo at #262
10th round: Daniel Sedin at #291
11th round: Arbour at #332
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'Worst' Selection
1st round: it's all good
2nd round: it's all good
3rd round: Gilmour at #89 - love the guy, but this might be a bit early even for him
4th round: nothing really stands out badly to me
5th round: Gillies at #158
6th round: McDonald at #162 - again, love the guy, but might be too early
7th round: McCrimmon at #209
8th round: N/A
9th round: Too Much Man at #257 - again, love him, but he's probably a bit overvalued here
10th round: Tocchet at #302 - I'm sensing a trend here
11th round: Bobrov at #345 - fits a theme for the team, but just too much of a question mark still due to the competition level
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Will someone explain to me how a guy with two Art Rosses, a Conn Smythe, and soon to be Hart is a bad selection in round 7? That to me is one of the biggest steals!

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Will someone explain to me how a guy with two Art Rosses, a Conn Smythe, and soon to be Hart is a bad selection in round 7? That to me is one of the biggest steals!
I'm not the guy to ask. I took a guy who is 29th all time in assists, 31st all time in points, and 36th all time in goals in the 12th round and someone thought it was the worst pick of the 12th round.

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Will someone explain to me how a guy with two Art Rosses, a Conn Smythe, and soon to be Hart is a bad selection in round 7? That to me is one of the biggest steals!
Well, I've got him as the steal of the round, while some have him as the worst selection of the round. Polarizing figure to say the least!

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Will someone explain to me how a guy with two Art Rosses, a Conn Smythe, and soon to be Hart is a bad selection in round 7? That to me is one of the biggest steals!
I have no idea. Maybe Craig Berube and John Tortorella have taken this poll, as Crosby was also a bad selection at #115 according to a couple.

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Biggest Steal of the draft: Ted Harris #381
Biggest Reach of the draft: Chris Pronger #50
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Pavel Datsyuk #145
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: A tie between Barillko and Jovanovski
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: I am a rookie so don't know whos been underrated but I guess some russians like Balderis and Maltsev have been underrated
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: No clue
A player you've discovered in this draft: a bunch of guys, most of them were players dreakmur suggested haha
Most underrated player taken: The two-way trio in rnd 8 Alfie/Hossa/Tikks
Most overrated player taken: Malkin and certainly Crosby.
Favourite line of the draft: Ted Lindsay (C) - Duke Keats - Teemu Selanne
Best assembled line of the draft: Ted Lindsay (C) - Duke Keats - Teemu Selanne
Worst assembled line of the draft: Syd Howe - Stan Mikita - Lanny McDonald (A)
Favourite pairing of defensemen: Denis Potvin - Bob Baun
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: Stefan Persson-Bill Barilko
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft

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Best selection: You cannot vote for players you own
1st round: Gordie Howe #3
2nd round: Börje Salming #62
3rd round: Alex Delvecchio #81
4th round: Frank Brimsek #111
5th round: Denis Savard #157
6th round: .....
7th round: Zetterberg #212
8th round: 240. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Daniel Alfredsson, RW, 241. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Marian Hossa, RW, 242. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Esa Tikkanen, LW
9th round: 258. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Rod Brind'Amour, C/LW
10th round: 319. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Alexander Mogilny, RW
11th round: 346. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Zigmund Palffy, RW

'Worst' Selection
1st round: 21. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Patrick Roy, G
2nd round: 50. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Chris Pronger, D
3rd round: 83. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Rod Langway, D
4th round: 115. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Sidney Crosby, C
5th round: 143. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Punch Broadbent, RW
6th round: 162. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Lanny McDonald, RW
7th round: 207. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Evgeni Malkin, C
8th round: 234. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Markus Naslund, LW
9th round: 281. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Adam Foote, D
10th round: 300. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Bert Corbeau, D


I would love to know what my top line is missing, perhaps I could make a roster adjustment to help out my team.

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I have no idea. Maybe Craig Berube and John Tortorella have taken this poll, as Crosby was also a bad selection at #115 according to a couple.
Lol. I'm not one to get too caught up in longevity, but I just think Crosby and Malkin are babies by ATD standards. I'm all for drafting guys like Weber late (and I think Weber was a great pick), but I wouldn't want my team to have to depend on such young players in the postseason.

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Lol. I'm not one to get too caught up in longevity, but I just think Crosby and Malkin are babies by ATD standards. I'm all for drafting guys like Weber late (and I think Weber was a great pick), but I wouldn't want my team to have to depend on such young players in the postseason.
I think that is applicable to Ovechkin as we have never seen him past the 2nd round, but not Crosby and Malkin as they have proven themsleves in the post season multiple times. They are like rookies on an ATD team, but they're super-rookies.

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Lol. I'm not one to get too caught up in longevity, but I just think Crosby and Malkin are babies by ATD standards. I'm all for drafting guys like Weber late (and I think Weber was a great pick), but I wouldn't want my team to have to depend on such young players in the postseason.
Yeah, it's pretty hard to argue with Malkin as far as being a playoff performer. I assume his Conn Smythe is shining too brightly in your eyes

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The playoffs aren't everything. Malkin is a wonderful player, but he's got three great seasons in the NHL. Crosby has four. Sorry, but that's not quite enough for me.

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The playoffs aren't everything. Malkin is a wonderful player, but he's got three great seasons in the NHL. Crosby has four. Sorry, but that's not quite enough for me.
3 great years, plus two over PPG years. There's just no getting over that peak for me. We've seen what he can do. We've watched him play. The guy is defintiely a legit second line center that is strong in the playoffs. I know the longevity aspect is whats bringing him down, but then again, by taking him in the seventh round don't we punish him enough already? I mean, by his peak he's what, a second rounder? A Hart (it's happening, let's not pretend it isn't), two Art Rosses and a Conn Smythe? That isn't better than Teeder Kennedy?

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