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2012 NHL Entry Draft Talk 8.0

View Poll Results: what to do with the #3 pick?
Trade up to get Grigorenko (for #3 pick + player) 15 10.64%
Draft Forsberg 35 24.82%
Draft Galchenyuk 83 58.87%
Draft Murray 4 2.84%
other (specify) 4 2.84%
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04-07-2012, 08:42 AM
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Murray can't be much better offensively as only 31 points in 46 games, roughly same average as Alzner who had 47 points in 63 games. I think Murray may be a better skater but Alzner bigger and stronger at 18. Overall, equal prospects but different qualities?
Besides for the difference in their teams (as Schooner guy brought up--Alzner's Hitmen scored 251 goals while Murray's Silvertips scored 185, a considerable difference), Alzner never showed the ability Murray has. At last year's U18, Murray put up 10 points in 7 games, coming second on Canada in scoring. In this year's playoffs, Murray was all the offense the Silvertips had. He matched Yakupov's statline in two less games with absolutely zero help.

I think there's a good chance Murray just becomes a solid, but unspectacular defenseman (but still extremely valuable to his team) like Alzner has become, but there's potential for more and he's shown more of that ability than Alzner ever has.

That said, for this year's defensemen, I really like Dumba's combination of passion/work ethic/skill/athleticism. Even if he doesn't have ideal size (6'0 183), it's hard to bet against someone so talented, with so many tools, with so much character and drive.

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04-07-2012, 08:49 AM
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That's stupid. Why would you play an 18 year old in the AHL ffs? Ugh... if anything he stays in the Allsvenskan/SEL for 2 years.
1. Plays with future teammates.
2. Learns the system and has access to our coaches and staff.
3. Could be called up right away if ready.
4. Plays against talent that is one step below NHL level.

Why wouldn't you play him in the AHL smartass? Price was 19 when he won the Calder Cup.

If he's going to stay in Sweden for 2 years then really the only edge he has to draft him goes out the window. I'd rather wait 1 year for one of the Russians to finish Jr.

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04-07-2012, 08:53 AM
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So which of the top guys are still playing in the CHL playoffs? How are they looking (to anybody that is watching)?



Also I know Galchenyuk is not playing at the U18's.....we can still get a closer look at Forsberg & Colberg though....and Dumba?

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04-07-2012, 09:04 AM
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1. Plays with future teammates.
2. Learns the system and has access to our coaches and staff.
3. Could be called up right away if ready.
4. Plays against talent that is one step below NHL level.

Why wouldn't you play him in the AHL smartass? Price was 19 when he won the Calder Cup.

If he's going to stay in Sweden for 2 years then really the only edge he has to draft him goes out the window. I'd rather wait 1 year for one of the Russians to finish Jr.
SEL is better than the AHL.

I haven't followed the prospect this year, but I can't wait till the people who have start posting their wish list for each of our picks. Hopefully with a little info on them, too.

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04-07-2012, 09:07 AM
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Grigorenko was pretty invisible last night. Halifax game him a bit of special attention and took him off his game. These are the games where he can raise his stock and play up to the level of a top 3 pick.

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04-07-2012, 09:09 AM
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SEL is better than the AHL.

I haven't followed the prospect this year, but I can't wait till the people who have start posting their wish list for each of our picks. Hopefully with a little info on them, too.
Yes, but he can't be called up to play for the Habs if he's in the SEL. That was my point in giving him an edge as opposed to the Russians in the CHL.

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04-07-2012, 09:23 AM
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Forsberg's stock has dropped.Rumor has it he may fall out of top 10.
Source? I haven't seen/heard that anywhere...

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04-07-2012, 09:24 AM
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Hamilton has a number of incoming players this year. I would be worried that adding Forsberg would actually cause a bit of a logjam and limit everyone's icetime. There is only so much icetime on a team and we have Gallagher, Holland, possibly Kristo, Bournival, maybe LeBlanc and Geoffrion. I think it would be best if our draft pick stayed where he was for a year before joining the A/NHL.

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04-07-2012, 09:27 AM
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Will not be surprised Habs pick Trouba

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You're right....their qualities are different. Also dont discount that Murray played on a weak offensive team.
Murray is also a year older than most draftees, he is a '93 birth year. I wasn't blown away by Murray at WJC. I wanted to get a feel what level of impact Murray would be in NHL. Sounds like Alzner is relatively close comparsion far as future NHLer.

Murray certainly isn't going to be a Redden! Redden was much bigger, stronger and more offensive. Not a Niedermayer neither as he but up 82 points in 57 games his draft year. Despite being 11 months younger than Murray. Not even close.

Edit: A poor man's Bouwmeester is about the closest I could come on comparing Murray to recent Top 5 pick in NHL. I went back 10 drafts. Murray doesn't have Jaybo size of course and a notch below offensively.


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04-07-2012, 09:58 AM
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I don't think we'll be drafting Grigs if our current scouting staff makes the call.
What makes you say that? (just out of curiosity)

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04-07-2012, 10:03 AM
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Yes, but he can't be called up to play for the Habs if he's in the SEL. That was my point in giving him an edge as opposed to the Russians in the CHL.
Ahh That's true.

Weird point to draft Forsberg over Grigs just because you can sign him, then assign him to the A.

Some people who watch the Q say Grigs could use another year in the Q

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Will not be surprised Habs pick Trouba
would it not be worth trading down for that?

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04-07-2012, 10:14 AM
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Larry Carrière will be the Habs representative at Tuesday's lottery

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04-07-2012, 10:16 AM
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Larry Carrière will be the Habs representative at Tuesday's lottery
Where'd you hear this ?

Figured as much. Highly doubt the habs have some in place before May.

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Larry Carrière will be the Habs representative at Tuesday's lottery
Carrière and Timmins make sense for the time being.


I hope they gonna pick Galchenyuk. The kid might have Russian (sorry Belarussian) parents (At least his father), but he is born in USA and played most of his hockey in North America. Won't take the first flight to Moscow to play in the KHL if he's benched.

Grigorenko and Forsberg are enigmas.


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04-07-2012, 10:22 AM
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Grigorenko is abysmal on faceoffs. I hope he goes back one year in the Q if only for that. He'd get eaten alive in the pros.

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Pick Galchenyuk please.

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Grigorenko is abysmal on faceoffs. I hope he goes back one year in the Q if only for that. He'd get eaten alive in the pros.
Spezza, Toews and Crosby all sucked at them, too. Faceoffs are hard to get good at which surprises me no team brings Perrault on just for that.

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04-07-2012, 10:33 AM
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Oilers' fans want to swap pick with us in return for either Tinordi or Beaulieu.

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04-07-2012, 10:35 AM
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Spezza, Toews and Crosby all sucked at them, too. Faceoffs are hard to get good at which surprises me no team brings Perrault on just for that.
Except that Crosby is the only one that made an immediate jump to the NHL amongst them.

Toews was actually 53% as a rookie.

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Oilers' fans want to swap pick with us in return for either Tinordi or Beaulieu.


I really hope we don't move any assets to move up in the draft. Not worth it IMO.

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Oilers' fans want to swap pick with us in return for either Tinordi or Beaulieu.
Totally... fair.

If we do draft a d, then we have the draftee, Beaulieu, Tinordi Subban*, Ellis, Gorges*

Great potential and 2 already established. That's not including guys like Dietz, Nygren, Emelin, Pateryn, Diaz, St-Denis who might work their way up into 5-6 dman. We'll have great defensive depth and no forwards to score... Well, Pacs and DD who refuses to shoot sometimes.

Toews was at 53%... Jesus.

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which player(s) do you believe the habs will grab in the 2nd round?

I don't really care about our 1st pick because it is what it is, but what guys will be around for our 2nd? there surely has to be potential in players such as subban?

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Oilers' fans want to swap pick with us in return for either Tinordi or Beaulieu.
Yeah... Not gonna happen. Besides, I don't see a clear cut #2 this year. No need to trade an asset to move up if it's not for Yakupov.

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