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04-07-2012, 12:41 PM
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Just wondering what the issue with Mohns - Carlyle is, Mohns is a two-way defenseman, I see him as a poor man's Potvin, next to an offensive specialist. Mohns can definitely be a stay-at-home guy while Carlyle serves as the dominant offensive player.

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04-07-2012, 01:08 PM
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Just wondering what the issue with Mohns - Carlyle is, Mohns is a two-way defenseman, I see him as a poor man's Potvin, next to an offensive specialist. Mohns can definitely be a stay-at-home guy while Carlyle serves as the dominant offensive player.
I just don't buy Mohns as a stay at home guy. Part of the reason it stood out to me is that both are good 2nd pairing guys, so it stood out that they don't look like they are optimized.

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04-07-2012, 01:21 PM
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Seems like my team has some polarized the opinions of many. I went with a sort of odd team concept with basically an all-out offense, but I think the way that my team is built it can succeed in the playoffs with how the matchups will work out.

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04-07-2012, 01:26 PM
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Yeah, that's it. Broadbent and Gillies are pretty much the poster boys for the bronze age of the ATD, so to speak. It's great to have a guy like that on your team, but the ultimate difference between a Broadbent and a guy like Watson doesn't even come close to justifying a 5th round pick.
Yeah, the Harry Watson comparison is a good one. And this is a guy who was frequently taken in the 500s, slowly rising, before, in the last couple drafts, others started taking a sharp knife to him, so to speak, and said, "ok, are we starting to overrate him?" 350-ish is probably where he belongs, and I wouldn't say the case for Gillies or Broadbent is particularly stronger.

What does this say for Wayne Cashman? He's always one of the weakest offensive players on a scoring line and that came out last draft, but a good GM took him this time again higher than last time (when I got him, he was a value compared to past draft positions). Should he fall? Or is the fact that he is quite possibly the best of all-time at one important skill his saving grace?

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04-07-2012, 01:28 PM
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Seems like my team has some polarized the opinions of many. I went with a sort of odd team concept with basically an all-out offense, but I think the way that my team is built it can succeed in the playoffs with how the matchups will work out.
You're the team who received the most love so far.

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04-07-2012, 06:43 PM
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A player you've discovered in this draft - Duke Keats - didn't know he was this good
Best assembled line of the draft - Lindsay-Keats-Selanne
Thanks. I'm glad to see that you saw what I was trying to do with my line.

I'm also glad you were so vocal about Duke Keats earlier in the draft, as it gave me a chance to put out more information about him. Some GMs hate it when others criticize their picks openly, I see it as a chance to put out more information about that player.

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Biggest Steal of the draft: Ernie ''Moose'' Johnson, best defenceman of a generation. For over a decade was among the elite.
Johnson played from 1905-1931, Cleghorn played from 1909-1929. I think it's fair to consider them part of the same generation, and Cleghorn better.

For what it's worth in the mid 1920s, both McLean's magazine and Lester Patrick put out their "all time all star teams" and both selected Sprague Cleghorn and Hod Stuart as the best defensemen to have ever played. Of course, the major caveat is that Hod had died young about 15 years earlier, so there might have been some nostalgia involved.

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(Best pick)17th round: Zinetula Bilyaletdinov, D
I must have done a better job selling my Russian last time than this time. I don't necessarily disagree with you, just want to point out that I think it's an open question as to whether Bilyaletdinov or his partner Pervuhkin was actually better. North American observers prefered Bilyaletdinov, but Pervuhkin got more recognition by Soviet awards voters.

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(Worse pick)12nd round: Pete Mahovlich, C/LW or Reed Larson, D
I realize that Pete Mahovlich was probably my worst pick this draft, but worst of the round? I don't know. He was huge (6'5"), willing to fight, good on faceoffs, decent defensively, showed he could score with the right linemates (so he's useful in case of injury), and was one of the best penalty killers in the NHL for about 6 years before taking on a more offensive role (and a top PKer for Canada in both the 72 Summit and 76 Canada Cup). I see him as one of the most useful 4th line centers in the draft.

Obviously, the issue is that you shouldn't be drafting 4th liners in the 12th round - I was planning on using him as a 3rd line LW until realizing he did very little at LW in the NHL. So in that way, it wasn't a particularly good pick.


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how is Boris Alexandrov not a unanimous choice for worst pick of round 19??

Hejduk? Owen? and TDMM undecided?
I just saw it as a "blunder" pick. I can't imagine anything else but Bugg thinking he was drafting the other Alexandrov at the time, so I put it down as a "blunder" rather than a bad pick. If Bugg actually meant to draft that guy, then I definitely agree with you.


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(Worst pick)17th round: Brian Rolston
You must either value special teams (BOTH PP and PK) less than me or value 4th line even strength minutes more than me.

I realize Rolston became a lazy sack of **** after he signed his 35+ contract, but we don't judge older players by their declines, I don't see why we shouldn't judge Rolston by his best 10-15 seasons like we do for everyone else (except apparently Wade Redden).


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04-07-2012, 07:40 PM
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I realize that Pete Mahovlich was probably my worst pick this draft, but worst of the round? I don't know. He was huge (6'5"), very willing to fight, good on faceoffs, decent defensively, showed he could score with the right linemates (so he's useful in case of injury), and was one of the best penalty killers in the NHL for about 6 years before taking on a more offensive role (and a top PKer for Canada in both the 72 Summit and 76 Canada Cup). I see him as one of the most useful 4th line centers in the draft.
once every 22 games!

come on, that's a bit of an oversell on the fighting part.

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once every 22 games!

come on, that's a bit of an oversell on the fighting part.
How often do you expect him to fight? He broke 100 PIMs in 3 of his first 4 full seasons, then toned it down when he starting centering Guy Lafleur. He's not an enforcer or anything, but he was willing to fight, especially when used as a role player.

I'll delete the word "very" in front of "willing" though.

Edit: I can't believe you actually looked up his fight card and calculated how many times per season he fought


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04-07-2012, 07:57 PM
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I still think that for a guy talented enough to play on a third line, willing to fight four times a year is pretty willing lol.

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04-07-2012, 10:04 PM
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Johnson played from 1905-1931, Cleghorn played from 1909-1929. I think it's fair to consider them part of the same generation, and Cleghorn better.

For what it's worth in the mid 1920s, both McLean's magazine and Lester Patrick put out their "all time all star teams" and both selected Sprague Cleghorn and Hod Stuart as the best defensemen to have ever played. Of course, the major caveat is that Hod had died young about 15 years earlier, so there might have been some nostalgia involved.
Near as I can tell, Cleghorn was primarily a forward during Johnson's prime years on the blueline.

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04-10-2012, 12:46 AM
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Biggest Steal of the draft: ?
Biggest Reach of the draft: Boris Alexandrov
Smartest/best strategic pick in the draft: Arkady Chernshey
Biggest blunder selection of the draft: Boris Alexandrov
A Player finally getting respect in the draft: Georges Vezina
A player always taken too high, finally getting picked where he should in the draft: Anders Hedberg
A player you've discovered in this draft: Jack Crawford
Most underrated player taken: Dan Bain
Most overrated player taken: Bob Gainey
Favourite line of the draft: Stevens – Lemieux - Makarov
Best assembled line of the draft: Ramsay – Goyette- Provost
Worst assembled line of the draft: Bobrov – Cowley – Bauer.
Favourite pairing of defensemen: Chelios - Suter
Most puzzling pairing of defensemen: No pairs in the draft puzzle me, but the Toronto Maple Leafs entire defense is a bit puzzling
A funny/dramatic story (related to the ATD) you've learned about since the start of the draft:

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36gc5d/

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Favourite selection
3rd round: Marcel Dionne
4th round: Ron Francis
5th round: Jean Ratelle
6th round: Sweeney Schriner
7th round: Rod Gilbert
8th round: Daniel Alfredsson
9th round: Rod Brind’amour
10th round: Jack Crawford
11th round: Dave Taylor
12nd round: Neil Colville
13th round: Eduard Ivanov
14th round: Charlie Simmer
15th round: Mats Naslund
16th round: Arkady Chernyshev
17th round: Dan Bain
18th round: Gaye Stewart
19th round: Chuck Rayner
20th round: Alf Skinner
21st round: Buddy O’Connor
22nd round: Clint Smith
23th round: Doug Barkley
24th round: Garry Unger
25th round: Mush March

Least Favourite Selection
3rd round: Doug Gilmour
4th round: None
5th round: Clark Gillies
6th round: None
7th round: Brad McCrimmon
8th round: None
9th round: Adam Foote
10th round: Bert Corbeau
11th round: Brad Richards
12nd round: Reed Larson
13th round: Wendel Clark
14th round: Charlie Huddy
15th round: Stefan Persson
16th round: Bill Barilko
17th round: Tomas Holmstrom
18th round: Rejean Houle
19th round: Boris Alexandrov
20th round: Jan Erixon
21st round: Kirk Maltby
22nd round: Duane Sutter
23th round: Stanislav Nevesely
24th round: Bob Probert
25th round: Milan Lucic

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