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04-07-2012, 04:14 PM
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We may have had the least regular season success but we had more playoff success than many other teams.
Clearly 2006 never happened to some people.

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Cujo? Was Legace's back up and didn't play a sceond in the playoff in 04.
This is you calling me out on "facts" lol.

Thanks for reminding me I should double check yours.

Cujo played 9playoff games that year, Legace 4.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8448382

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8459308


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This is you calling me out on "facts" lol.

Thanks for reminding me I should double check yours.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8448382


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I think it's funny that even that year Cujo's stats were inferior to Legace's.

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04-07-2012, 04:21 PM
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This is you calling me out on "facts" lol.

Thanks for reminding me I should double check yours.

Cujo played 9playoff games that year, Legace 4.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8448382

http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8459308


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No, you're right, I was mistaken in claiming that Cujo didn't play in the 04 playoffs.

I had mistakenly looked at his 05-06 playoff year.

And now, of course, anything else in the post is rendered completely moot and of no value.


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Oh, do they now? Do the Nationals still have that excuse today? That's what you're concerned about, right? Do you even know the Expos moved to Washington back in 2005?
Do you understand how the cap works in MLB? It doesn't ...

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Thank god this CBA saved us from the horrible old CBA. It was worth losing that lockout year.
Old news. I read about it in the paper two weeks ago.

Still... extremely sad considering our very respectable 2005/2006 regular season. 2007/2008 wasn't too bad either.

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Do you understand how the cap works in MLB? It doesn't ...
Really? Thank you for telling me that! Could you verify for me that baseball is played with a bat? I'm not really sure...

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Clearly 2006 never happened to some people.
2006 was the 2nd miracle on ice. It didn't happen because of an over abundance of talent, it happened because of brilliant coaching, Roloson ... and that guy on D ... I think his name was Voldermort.

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No, you're right, I was mistaken in claiming that Cujo didn't play in the 04 playoffs.
Thanks for acknowledging, it pissed me off that you posted something that was clearly wrong, sorry for getting all testy with that.

Cujo was one of my favorite goalies, and was very good for Detroit in the playoffs in 04. Seemed like a better option than Legace.

I'm being honest here. I would never pick Legace>Cujo as an option.

Not many wings fans at the time would disagree with that.

Fairly pointless discussion though.

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04-07-2012, 04:29 PM
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Thanks for acknowledging, it pissed me off that you posted something that was clearly wrong, sorry for getting all testy with that.

Cujo was one of my favorite goalies, and was very good for Detroit in the playoffs in 04. Seemed like a better option than Legace.

I'm being honest here. I would never pick Legace>Cujo as an option.

Not many wings fans at the time would disagree with that.

Fairly pointless discussion though.

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Sure would be nice to be able to discuss the merits, for or against, of a 100+ point team year after year that we actually really cared about, that's for damn sure.

As always, opposite sides of the fence, but a spirited debate nonetheless. Happy Easter!

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Really? Thank you for telling me that! Could you verify for me that baseball is played with a bat? I'm not really sure...
Yes, and a small round ball.

No but seriously, with the cap system employed by MLB, coupled with the fact only 8 teams make the playoffs, how can anyone else compete with the big teams? It is not a fair comparison to the NHL in any way.

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Yes, and a small round ball.

No but seriously, with the cap system employed by MLB, coupled with the fact only 8 teams make the playoffs, how can anyone else compete with the big teams? It is not a fair comparison to the NHL in any way.
Yet the Rays made the playoffs last year with the second smallest payroll in the league. By comparison, Washington is around the 10th smallest, spending 20 million more than the Rays. Boston, meanwhile, the 3rd highest spending team, missed the playoffs.

The number of teams is a more sound argument, but regardless there is still a lot of parity in the MLB. I think they're expanding the playoff system this year, are they not?

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The Worst

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stopped reading right there. Too bad his crap isnt printed on actual paper, then it could actually be useful for something if you happen to run out of TP.

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stopped reading right there. Too bad his crap isnt printed on actual paper, then it could actually be useful for something if you happen to run out of TP.
Speak for yourself. I'd never inflict that kind of indignity on my butt hole.

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Speak for yourself. I'd never inflict that kind of indignity on my butt hole.
lol no doubt!!

I used to follow Dellow on my twitter, it got to the point i wanted to smash my phone every day, unfollowed him, its awesome I will never read another thing he says.

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I like McHockey. I didnt think I would be the minority.

Why the hate? What am I missing?

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I like McHockey. I didnt think I would be the minority.

Why the hate? What am I missing?
Years of experience on this board. Mudcrutch rarely did himself any favors in his interaction here or elsewhere for that matter.

Lots of pissing matches to be sure.

But mostly what people retain is just an indifference to his "advanced statistics" analysis and specific arguments to that effect.

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Years of experience on this board. Mudcrutch rarely did himself any favors in his interaction here or elsewhere for that matter.

Lots of pissing matches to be sure.

But mostly what people retain is just an indifference to his "advanced statistics" analysis and specific arguments to that effect.
This.

Add to the fact that there has been so much goalpost moving by the "experts" that there is almost no turf left on the field.

I enjoy advanced stats very much, but as I have said many times it is a useful to look at a team as a team as a whole and to a degree a good tool for line combination analysis. The fact that they are often used as "proof" of a individual players value is so riddled with holes, that it makes it, at best, subject to flaws.

Once I had a poster "argue" with me that Shawn Horcoff was a better value player than Sidney Crosby. If that is the conculsion the advanced stats are capable of bringing forth, that's all I need to know how much they need to not be taken at face value.


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This.

Add to the fact that there has been so much goalpost moving by the "experts" that there is almost no turf left on the field.

I enjoy advanced stats very much, but as I have said many times it is a useful to look at a team as a team as a whole and to a degree a good tool for line combination analysis. The fact that they are often used as "proof" of a individual players value is so riddled with holes, that it makes it, at best, subject to flaws.

Once I had a poster "argue" with me that Shawn Horcoff was a better value player than Sidney Crosby. If that is the conculsion the advanced stats are capable of bringing forth, that's all I need to know how much they need to not be taken at face value.
Yeah theres been some real strange arguments through the years from the cool stats kids. Some participants who either disappear into the either or are never found again, or change their name.

MC has changed his name but to his credit I guess is still around to take his lumps. Although he don't he come around here that often anymore..

Wonder what the goal differential kids think about the Florida Panthers.

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For what its worth, I'd rather be in our position these last couple of years than one or two other teams. Especially the Leafs.

The Leafs, like us, have toiled near the bottom of the standings. They traded away a second overall pick and another top ten pick, albeit for a good player in Kessel. And they have failed miserably while trying to make the playoffs every year. At least with us, we went into every season knowing that we weren't even contending for the playoffs. That sure isn't good, but I'd rather be in an open and obvious rebuild than down right sucking while trying and failing at almost everything we try to do.

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Years of experience on this board. Mudcrutch rarely did himself any favors in his interaction here or elsewhere for that matter.

Lots of pissing matches to be sure.

But mostly what people retain is just an indifference to his "advanced statistics" analysis and specific arguments to that effect.
Don't forget when he thought Taylor Hall should of played his first year in Junior, so we didn't need to burn a year in his contract

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Thank god this CBA saved us from the horrible old CBA. It was worth losing that lockout year.
1. The CBA has nothing to do with the teams failure. The league and teams like the Oilers needed a new structure to be viable. Now that our resources are booming and the US is busting, we dont need it like other teams do, but that is totally unrelated to where the team is at right now, and trying to draw a correlation is weak-ass writing.

2. Do you get royalties for posting links to garbage here? No offence to your post subject, even though its a silly premise. Just your link, as others commented already.

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Don't forget when he thought Taylor Hall should of played his first year in Junior, so we didn't need to burn a year in his contract
with the benefit of hindsight it would have been a great idea

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Hall had nothing more to accomplish in Windsor and first overall picks don't go back to junior. Period.

If that opinion is based on his shoulder woes, well, he's been playing with a sore shoulder for four years. Playing one more year of junior wouldn't have changed that.

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