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TO Toronto
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
Jannik Hansen
Cap hit ~ 9.3M
TO Vancouver
Clarke MacArthur
Carl Gunnarsson
Luke Schenn
Cap Hit ~ 8.3M
To be made after the season...
Sami Salo retires, gives Vancouver a top 6 d of Hamhuis, Edler, Bieksa, Gunnarsson, Ballard and Schenn. MacArthur can play 2nd line with Kesler and Booth. And Higgins, Lapierre and Kassian form the new third line.
Toronto gets their established goalie, and Canadian star in the biggest Canadian city. Also add Hansen who can fill the void left by MacArthur, and Raymond as an RFA, who could become a top 6 forward again, but needs a fresh start somewhere else.
I'm a Jets fan, but I thought of this when I was looking at the goalie stats today and with all the talk of Vancouver moving Schneider, it seems to make more sense to move Lu.
Luongo is worth that package by himself no need to add in a key piece like Hansen as well as Raymond who could still fetch a 2nd round pick even though his value is low right now
Also Schenn would be nice but the Canucks have no need for him outside him being RH. Canucks only have 1 pure defensive d-man, and because he can't play a 2 way game he's moved from the #6/7 d-man to #9. Canucks simply do not want to play those kind of defenseman because it would hurt their offensive style. Gragnani is bad defensively but he gets priority because he can play an offensive game which suits the Canucks style.
Unless Schenn can improve his speed and play with the puck he won't ever be anything more than a 3rd pairing guy here. No need to trade a top 5 goalie for 2 3rd pairing guys and an upgrade on the 3rd line. Let alone adding in a solid 3rd liner and a speedy 2 way foward when his value is at its lowest
Last edited by Silverback91: 04-07-2012 at 11:49 PM.
Luongo is worth that package by himself no need to add in a key piece like Hansen as well as Raymond who could still fetch a 2nd round pick even though his value is low right now
Really? I figured this might actually be the other way around. I don't have Toronto coloured glasses on, but Schenn could still easily be a top 4 dman, and Gunnarsson already is on a great contract. Plus he's a left handed shot. But ya I do see how Vancouver might be reluctant to give up Hansen, however I do think MacArthur is slightly better.
Also factored in Luongo has a pretty bad contract TBH.
Really? I figured this might actually be the other way around. I don't have Toronto coloured glasses on, but Schenn could still easily be a top 4 dman, and Gunnarsson already is on a great contract. Plus he's a left handed shot. But ya I do see how Vancouver might be reluctant to give up Hansen, however I do think MacArthur is slightly better.
Also factored in Luongo has a pretty bad contract TBH.
I hate how people think his contract is bad.
It's actually very reasonable - the cap hit is solid for what he offers and though the term is extremely long the last handful of years he gets paid peanuts.
It's not a bad contract. He performs and deserves it.
A bad contract is one where someone like Gomez is getting a boat load of cash and has a website dedicated to when he scores... what'd he get, like 2 goals this year? yeesh. THAT is a bad contract.
Really? I figured this might actually be the other way around. I don't have Toronto coloured glasses on, but Schenn could still easily be a top 4 dman, and Gunnarsson already is on a great contract. Plus he's a left handed shot. But ya I do see how Vancouver might be reluctant to give up Hansen, however I do think MacArthur is slightly better.
Also factored in Luongo has a pretty bad contract TBH.
I edited my post to show u why Schenn would be nice but why I think the Canucks don't need him. If he wasn't a RH shot I doubt the Canucks would have any interest in him even though he is still young. Especially at the cost of this trade and his salary.
Canucks can't afford a 3.25M 3rd line winger unless Malhotra is going the other way which frankly won't happen. Malhotra isn't the same player anymore which is why it pains us Nucks fans to want to get rid of him. But he still is a leader in the dressing room and has a NTC. The players love him so theres no way Gillis even considers trading him next season unless some team offers up something no team would.
Canucks also can't afford a 3rd pairing making almost 9M which Ballard and Schenn would. that pairing would make almost as much as the Hamhuis Bieksa pairing. Then on top of that Gunnarsson would make a very expensive #7.
People won't admit it here but Luongo is still a top 5 goalie. Any time I ask someone who syas he is not to give me 5 goalies whom have been better than him that have put up top 5 numbers consistently, they are never able to. Luongo most likely has 5 more good years in him as a top 10-15 goalie in the league. I'm sure some team would wan't a goalie who makes less than most top goalies and is just as good when they can trade him to a bottom feeder 5-6 years down the line because there are still going to be teams needing to reach the cap floor. His buyout will be peanuts (1M or under) then and his cap hit or the next couple seasons will be 2-4M helping those teams reach the floor while barely spending money.
Last edited by Silverback91: 04-08-2012 at 12:05 AM.
This has to be the deciding factor in the Leafs case anyway. Deal's not horrible, but the fact is, Luongo is signed for WAY too long. He's a great goalie at a good cap hit, but the term is outrageous.
This has to be the deciding factor in the Leafs case anyway. Deal's not horrible, but the fact is, Luongo is signed for WAY too long. He's a great goalie at a good cap hit, but the term is outrageous.
This has to be the deciding factor in the Leafs case anyway. Deal's not horrible, but the fact is, Luongo is signed for WAY too long. He's a great goalie at a good cap hit, but the term is outrageous.
trade him to a team trying to reach the cap floor in 6 years for a 7th round pick so they can buy him out for peanuts and reach the cap floor. Problem solved
We're not surrendering our MVP and Hansen, another key cog in our organization, for Gunnarsson and Schenn to fight Ballard for spots 5 and 6 on our defense. MacArthur beats Raymond, but Raymond's defensive game at least gives him purpose here. While MacArthur might beat (ok will beat) Raymond on the offensive side, I wouldn't want to trade someone who is still working well as a bottom six for something of an unknown quantity in that role. This doesn't do anything at all for me, and I think most Canucks fans won't be too far off.
We're not surrendering our MVP and Hansen, another key cog in our organization, for Gunnarsson and Schenn to fight Ballard for spots 5 and 6 on our defense. MacArthur beats Raymond, but Raymond's defensive game at least gives him purpose here. While MacArthur might beat (ok will beat) Raymond on the offensive side, I wouldn't want to trade someone who is still working well as a bottom six for something of an unknown quantity in that role. This doesn't do anything at all for me, and I think most Canucks fans won't be too far off.
I agree, take Hansen, Schenn out, add in Alberts and Gardiner and it's closer to making Vancouver consider it. That or swap the teams 1st round picks while taking Hansen and Schenn out.
we know u meant no for Leafs but really theres nothing in the original offer to even get the Canucks to think twice about saying no as soon as they hear the offer.
At least with that switch the Canucks will actually consider doing the trade even if the value still favors the Leafs because of how strong the Canucks are in net that they can afford losing Luongo for under market value.
Challenge yourself. Please. Two separate ideas in two separate sentences.
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Originally Posted by CeeLoBlue
We (well Burke) aren't trading Gardiner for anything unless it's something that we'd be classified as totally mentally challenged for rejecting.
Great, it still doesn't do anything to help the Canucks, which is my concern, as the Leafs are yours. Hansen won't be moved for less, and Luongo won't be traded for what on are end are spare parts that will have to fight for regular roster spots, value to the Leafs or not.
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Originally Posted by Silverback91
we know u meant no for Leafs but really theres nothing in the original offer to even get the Canucks to think twice about saying no as soon as they hear the offer.
At least with that switch the Canucks will actually consider doing the trade even if the value still favors the Leafs because of how strong the Canucks are in net that they can afford losing Luongo for under market value.
I'd disagree with that. Gardiner+ for Luongo and Hansen gives us 0 benefit short term, and given their trade history, give very little regard to potential. Plus, we have several defensemen who's ceiling might not be as high as Gardiner, but are ready to make the jump like Tanev has. Not to mention Gragnani was just added. Plus we could end up with another steal in the draft, like Hodson, Jensen, Schroeder and (although he wasn't drafted by us) Howdon. Or we could trade picks and existing prospects for someone of Gardiner's potential.
Nope, while I don't mind moving Luongo. We are not "dumping" him nor is Hansen available unless a similar player is coming back. Like someone else said, Luongo is worth this by himself.
Nope, while I don't mind moving Luongo. We are not "dumping" him nor is Hansen available unless a similar player is coming back. Like someone else said, Luongo is worth this by himself.
This. One thousand times this. He is a star player, and if the contract is an issue, I've said it in every other thread: out clauses and retirement. If there isn't a sufficient return, we have no reason to move him.
The only way a trade like this happens is if Vancouver decides Schneider is better than Luongo and he is the goalie of the future (unlikely) and if no other team is interested/can't offer better (also very unlikely).
As much as I want to see Luongo come to Toronto, it's just not likely. Vancouver has a very solid team and will only move Luongo if they get a significant return that fills a hole for them. Problem is, where is that hole? The team is so good... Also Toronto is not in the position to give up a lot for Luongo. Overall, Luongo not at all likely to end up in Toronto.
TO Toronto
Roberto Luongo
Mason Raymond
Jannik Hansen
Cap hit ~ 9.3M
TO Vancouver
Clarke MacArthur
Carl Gunnarsson
Luke Schenn
Cap Hit ~ 8.3M
To be made after the season...
Sami Salo retires, gives Vancouver a top 6 d of Hamhuis, Edler, Bieksa, Gunnarsson, Ballard and Schenn. MacArthur can play 2nd line with Kesler and Booth. And Higgins, Lapierre and Kassian form the new third line.
Toronto gets their established goalie, and Canadian star in the biggest Canadian city. Also add Hansen who can fill the void left by MacArthur, and Raymond as an RFA, who could become a top 6 forward again, but needs a fresh start somewhere else.
I'm a Jets fan, but I thought of this when I was looking at the goalie stats today and with all the talk of Vancouver moving Schneider, it seems to make more sense to move Lu.
