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03-17-2012, 07:33 PM
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A) I don't think that roster should be looked upon as the best of rest right now. It's a roster of the players with the most relevance for the national team in years to come. So the selection of Bau might not be so connected with Nicklas Jensens chances as it would seem IMO.

B) As I remember Nicklas Jensen, and from the bits and pieces I have seen of him since he left Denmark, he's is somewhat capable of player a 3rd og 4th line duty right? In my head he could come along as a lower line joker that can be promoted if top 6 **** things up. He's is by far the sexier pick for the lower lines but the question is: What if the top 6 doesn't **** things up. Will he be able to grit-it-out in a lower line... Make the contribution asked for there. Hard work. Keep the puck out off our net. Etc. etc.

My guess would be yes but I havn't seen him play a lot these last two years.

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A) I agree with you on this. I was just surprised to see Bau in this selection, partly due to his age. So I thought the selection of would indicate that Jensen is ranked higher by Bäckman than I thought he was.

B) What I have read in reports from Oshawa, Jensen is not a defensive liability, he is not great, but he plays a two way game. He still plays a european style where he doesn't hit a lot, but he uses his size and strength to win battles at the boards and in the corners. His natural skills are no doubt good enough to be in the team, but the biggest nag on his play is his consistency, he isn't playing up to his potential every night. Personally I don't think this would be a problem at the WC, since it didn't seem to be a problem in the WJC matches I saw. To conclude, he would probably be the most skilled player in our bottom six, but his grind, work ethic and defensive play might not be on the level that Bäckman would demand from a bottom six player, and I think Bäckman put more emphasis on that in the bottom six. I think we will know a lot more when Oshawa most likely lose in the first round of the playoffs and he can get called up to the AHL.

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The problem with Denmark's team is not the line combinations guys.
Denmark needs to improve in every aspect of their game before something as simple as line tweaking will make the difference between winning and losing. The Danish top six are able to compete with anyone from any country at least competitively if not to win, but the bottom six forwards, along with all of their defence and their goaltending, just cannot compete in Division 1 consistently. Until Denmark starts producing NHL-calibre defencemen and goaltenders, they will not be able to compete consistently in Division 1.

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03-21-2012, 05:44 AM
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The problem with Denmark's team is not the line combinations guys.
Denmark needs to improve in every aspect of their game before something as simple as line tweaking will make the difference between winning and losing. The Danish top six are able to compete with anyone from any country at least competitively if not to win, but the bottom six forwards, along with all of their defence and their goaltending, just cannot compete in Division 1 consistently. Until Denmark starts producing NHL-calibre defencemen and goaltenders, they will not be able to compete consistently in Division 1.
Line combinations isn't what's gonna make us beat Russia, Sweden and the Czech republic. But those aren't the teams that Denmark have to beat, ofcourse it would be nice to make an upset. Denmark is playing beat Germany, Norway, Latvia and Italy, and against those teams having the correct line combinations can give Denmark the edge that they need to win. I agree that our top 6 is our strength, and bottom 6 and defense are weaknesses, but this year I don't agree that goaltending is a weakness, Frederik Andersen has been one of the best, if not the best goaltender in the SEL. That puts us atleast equal with Germany and Latvia, and above Norway in terms of goaltending.

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Nicklas Jensen will most likely finish the season within a week. He should at least get at look in WC-camp.

Oliver Lauridsen is breaking out in the AHL with 2 g 4 a and + 4 in his last 12 games (compared to 1 g 0 a in the first 47 games). Phantoms are still in the mix for a PO-spot, but should they fail Lauridsen will probably get the chance in camp.

In NHL Western Conference things are messy. Both Dallas and Phoenix are within the first 8, but both could miss out on PO. Dallas have a tough schedule, and Larsen is the most important player for Denmark on defence, so hopefully they will fail (sorry Dallas fans).

The dream scenario is of course that neither Dallas, Phoenix or Vancouver makes it through first round in which case we could have 5 NHL-players on the team for the first time.

That would give Denmark a chance against all the other teams, and make them favorites against Germany, Latvia and Norway.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves..

btw. Nicklas Hardt is by far the best forward from Denmark, not playing in the NHL. Mads Christensen is nr. 2.

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btw. Nicklas Hardt is by far the best forward from Denmark, not playing in the NHL. Mads Christensen is nr. 2.
I don't know how you can put Mads Christensen as number 2 on that list. On my list he is behind Morten Madsen and Julian Jakobsen for sure, maybe even Morten H. Poulsen.

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The problem with Denmark's team is not the line combinations guys.
Denmark needs to improve in every aspect of their game before something as simple as line tweaking will make the difference between winning and losing. The Danish top six are able to compete with anyone from any country at least competitively if not to win, but the bottom six forwards, along with all of their defence and their goaltending, just cannot compete in Division 1 consistently. Until Denmark starts producing NHL-calibre defencemen and goaltenders, they will not be able to compete consistently in Division 1.
Don't think anybody see a realistic short term scenario where Denmark becomes much more competetive then they are now. So the subject of the discussion is how to make this years team the best posible. There line combinations and roster makes a difference.

A lot of different agendas stands ahead of developing into a contender IMO:

A) Survival - Obviously
B) Securing the best possible seeding for the Olympic Qualifications(Denmark is yet to qualify for the Olympics so it would be a major achivement)
C) Improving seedings for next years WC
D) Allowing new young core players to slowly replace the generation that is on it's way out(Staal, Green, Dresler, Daniel Nielsen)
E) Getting some exposure in Denmark since we're playing in Sweden with perhaps the best team ever and all...

Had a though about the current roster. Looking at the young guys. Who do you think has a realistic shot at being a WC-player someday?

I would go with Bau and Klarskov while cases could be made for Svendsen, Rosenthal, Müller and Jannik Christensen. Don't see Christian Moeller, Emil Kristensen, Christoffer Pedersen and Hjulmand ever getting near a WC-spot. Kinda iffy on Beyer, Bruggisser and Groenvaldt.

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Had a though about the current roster. Looking at the young guys. Who do you think has a realistic shot at being a WC-player someday?
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I know that he is not on the current roster, but my personal favorite for a D-man roster spot for the future is Markus Lauridsen (Olivers little brother).
He has been flying under the radar for some time; playing in a league that is somewhat difficult to get information from and being in the shadow of his brother. But actually I consider him a talent at about the same level as the other big D-man prospect Jesper Jensen.
The two times he participated in the WJC-20 D1 on the national team, he was the best D-man on the team, and he has progressed nicely the 2 years he has played in the USHL.
He has a very good frame for a defender; 6'2"/188 cm and nearly 200 lbs./90 kg (and is still growing), he is a good skater and is very good with the puck. He is putting up a lot of points and is a power play specialist, something we could definitely use on the national team.

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I know that he is not on the current roster, but my personal favorite for a D-man roster spot for the future is Markus Lauridsen (Olivers little brother).
He has been flying under the radar for some time; playing in a league that is somewhat difficult to get information from and being in the shadow of his brother. But actually I consider him a talent at about the same level as the other big D-man prospect Jesper Jensen.
The two times he participated in the WJC-20 D1 on the national team, he was the best D-man on the team, and he has progressed nicely the 2 years he has played in the USHL.
He has a very good frame for a defender; 6'2"/188 cm and nearly 200 lbs./90 kg (and is still growing), he is a good skater and is very good with the puck. He is putting up a lot of points and is a power play specialist, something we could definitely use on the national team.
Sure could have used him on the WJC-team this year. Could he be getting a look this year? Is his USHL season over?

Quite funny how he's shown a lot of offensive upside when his brother has close to none They would actually be a good pairing... And the punishing ability of such a pairing

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Sure could have used him on the WJC-team this year. Could he be getting a look this year? Is his USHL season over?

Quite funny how he's shown a lot of offensive upside when his brother has close to none They would actually be a good pairing... And the punishing ability of such a pairing
The regular season will end mid April, but then he will play "play-off" (Clarks Cup). I doubt he will be available before the IHWC starts.

He was really missed on this years WJC team. Had he participated together with Jesper Jensen probably we could have prevented relegation.

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btw. Nicklas Hardt is by far the best forward from Denmark, not playing in the NHL. Mads Christensen is nr. 2.
I don't really know anything about the other Danish forwards, but Nicklas Hardt has indeed been a really great player recently. He scored the winning goal tonight, which took Jokerit all the way to semifinals. He also scored the OT goal in game 2.

I think that he hasn't shown his full potential yet. He has already taken huge steps this season, especially offensively, and he's now probably the best player on a stacked Jokerit team. A year or two more with Jokerit and I think he'll be ready for the big league.

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Nicklas Jensen will most likely finish the season within a week. He should at least get at look in WC-camp.

Oliver Lauridsen is breaking out in the AHL with 2 g 4 a and + 4 in his last 12 games (compared to 1 g 0 a in the first 47 games). Phantoms are still in the mix for a PO-spot, but should they fail Lauridsen will probably get the chance in camp.

In NHL Western Conference things are messy. Both Dallas and Phoenix are within the first 8, but both could miss out on PO. Dallas have a tough schedule, and Larsen is the most important player for Denmark on defence, so hopefully they will fail (sorry Dallas fans).

The dream scenario is of course that neither Dallas, Phoenix or Vancouver makes it through first round in which case we could have 5 NHL-players on the team for the first time.

That would give Denmark a chance against all the other teams, and make them favorites against Germany, Latvia and Norway.

But let's not get ahead of ourselves..

btw. Nicklas Hardt is by far the best forward from Denmark, not playing in the NHL. Mads Christensen is nr. 2.
Sounds great!

But, would it though?

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The second roster has been selected.

Out: Christian Moeller(G), Mark Müller(D), Jannik Christensen(D), Rasmus Astrup(F), Mathias Bau(F), Steffen Klarskov(F), Nikolaj Rosenthal(F), Sune Hjulmand(F)

In:

Goalie:

Frederik Andersen, Frölunda, age 22

D-men:

Daniel Nielsen, Hamburg Freezers, age 31
Rasmus Damgaard, SoenderjyskE, age 20

Forwards:

Jesper Jensen, Hamburg Freezers, age 25
Kim Lykkeskov, SoenderjyskE, age 28
Morten Madsen, MODO, age 25
Bjarke Moeller, AaB Ishockey, age 26
Christian Nordentoft, AaB Ishockey, age 20
Kiril Starkov, SoenderjyskE, age 25

Kinda surpriced Beyer Carlsen survived longer than Klarskov, and Groenvaldt/Kristensen/Bruggisser longer than Müller/Christensen but it's minor things. Nice to see Moeller, Damgaard and Nordentoft. The rest is guys who have a good shot/are locks at being on the final roster IMO.

Nicklas Jensens PO ended last night btw... hope he joins the team soon.

As a Stars-fan it hurts to say this but IMO Denmark should chear for Dallas to miss the PO. Philip Larsen will so much more important than Boedker. On the other hand there's a bigger chance that Dallas would be swept and both therefor would be avaliable so perhaps we should chear for Phoenix to miss out anyways?

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Nicklas Jensen is headed to Chicago to play in the AHL until their season ends, and the AHL regular season doesn't end in another 2 weeks, and after that there's playoffs, so unless Chicago gets kicked out fast, it seems increasingly improbable that Jensen will get a consideration to the team. I don't think Bäckman will pick to the final roster if he hasn't had a chance to train with the team and see how he fits. Unless he plays out of this world in the AHL, he's not gonna get the same kind of free pass the NHL'ers get.

On Bødker/Larsen, Dallas have the hardest schedule of the bubble teams, and if they lose tonight they are more or less done for good. Best case scenario Dallas finish outside of the playoffs, I agree that Larsen is more important than Bødker because we have no one else at his level on defense, and Phoenix losses quickly in the first round against Vancouver or St. Louis. Worst case scenario, one of Phoenix or Dallas manage to get 3rd and wins their series, of course they could also make an upset in 7th or 8th, but it's very unlikely imo.

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Dallas are out now, and hopefully we will soon get the message, that Larsen will be joining the team.

Denmark is playing Slovakia today, and I cannot remember last time we iced a weaker team. The D especially is looking very, very unexperienced.

Frederik Andersen will have to stand on his head to prevent a very big loss.

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It seems like I overrated Slovakia.. They were very bad..

Andersen was excellent though. 36/37 svs and some highlight-saves too.

3-1 Denmark. Madsen had a good game. And Grønvaldt obviously.

I still think we will only see 7 players from todays game at the WC.

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It seems like I overrated Slovakia.. They were very bad..

Andersen was excellent though. 36/37 svs and some highlight-saves too.

3-1 Denmark. Madsen had a good game. And Grønvaldt obviously.

I still think we will only see 7 players from todays game at the WC.
You probably did. But still the Danish youngsters played pretty well with their hearts and all.

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You probably did. But still the Danish youngsters played pretty well with their hearts and all.
Nice to hear, thanks for stopping bye.

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Future discussions should probably go here:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...7#post47596437

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For those interested:

Links to highlights of both DK-SVK games.

http://www.hockeyslovakia.sk/sk/clan...sko-dansko-1-3

http://www.hockeyslovakia.sk/sk/clan...4-po-najazdoch

Highlights are in the bottom of the page.

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