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04-08-2012, 09:45 AM
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Stop. Nobody is giving a top 4 dman for Gagner -- it would be done already. The kid is a tweener -- too small for the bottom 6 -- and doesn't score enough to be in the top 6 regularly.

There should be a rule against this. Gagner would have been sent packing by now if there was a luke warm dman coming back.
Its been pretty well known that Tambellini hasn't shopped Gagner yet, so its pretty much impossible to say that "he would have been traded already if..." anything. Nice try though.

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If I were Edmonton, I'd probably trade down a few spots where Dumba/Murray would still be avalaible to acquire other picks (probably in the 2nd round). I could see Toronto being interested a lot in Grigorenko, same with the Habs. (Assuming the drafting order stays the same)
Actually the Habs have no reason to trade down.If they want a center one will be there between Grig or Galch.
Forsberg will be there if we decide to go with him.
Strange thing is next to Yak Murray seems to be the other player some are saying could turn out to be a franchise player.Do be surprise that the Habs decide to go with a shot at a franchise D-man over a 1st line top center.Stranger things have happened.
Edm had some good forwards and are very weak at defense. Their smart move would be to take a chance on a franchise D-man but than again not all teams can see an inch pass their nose.

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True but watching a whole line become ineffective because the center can't do anything is too painful.
Which line is struggling because their center can't do anything? The Horcoff line has been struggling because Horcoff/Smyth/Jones/Belanger have been a pile of suck since late November, not just Horcoff and Belanger. The second line has been inconsistent when Hall was out, but that's not only Gagner's fault, its also because Hemsky had the worst year of his career and for some stupid reason Smyth kept getting time there when he was playing like a ball of suck. The blame isn't only to go to the centers for our lack of production, its our forward depth in general after the three kids. Jones should be playing 3rd/4th line. Smyth should retire. Horcoff and/or Belanger should be 4th line, the other as our 13th forward (or gone). And we need to find another top six forward, or at least a guy who can fill in as one when we need him to, and that isn't Jones, and it isn't Smyth. And Hemsky needs to play consistently or pack his bags. My point is that it wasn't JUST the centers, it was our veteran forwards in general.

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04-08-2012, 09:56 AM
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Yeah, it's not like blue chip forwards in their early 20s would be worth anything in trade value or anything.
Most teams arent looking to trade their blue chip young defensemen.

That's where the BPA argument falls apart. People think they can just cook up a trade for an OEL or a Doughty like they are playing NHL12. It simply doesnt work like that. You most likely are going to get some kind of distressed asset in return.

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I think they take Murray TBH.

Tambellini is on the record saying they will consider drafting by need instead of BPA

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Would any Leaf fans consider trading their 2012 and 2013 first round picks for the Oilers 2012 first?

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Would any Leaf fans consider trading their 2012 and 2013 first round picks for the Oilers 2012 first?
hell no ... unless you guys win the lottery and get Yaks ... and even then, only if Burke can make this team significantly better this offseason

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04-08-2012, 10:05 AM
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hell no ... unless you guys win the lottery and get Yaks ... and even then, only if Burke can make this team significantly better this offseason
You dont want Grigorenko or Galchenyuk?

Seems like a pretty good opportunity to get what the team lacks most.

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You dont want Grigorenko or Galchenyuk?

Seems like a pretty good opportunity to get what the team lacks most.
Certainly not at the cost of another first

I'm sure the Leafs will be happy with any of the 6 high-end talents available in this draft

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Yeah, big no from me on the extra 1st to move up a few spots. Worst case scenario is Forsberg/Dumba and that's not even that bad a scenario.

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I imagine Burke will take Trouba no?

What would you guys give to move up to #2?

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How would any of us know who the Leafs will take?

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Fair. Anyone who was too young to witness the 80s dynasty will have their chance this time around.

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Fair. Anyone who was too young to witness the 80s dynasty will have their chance this time around.
Tambellini is no Sather.

I wouldnt hold your breath.

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You dont want Grigorenko or Galchenyuk?

Seems like a pretty good opportunity to get what the team lacks most.
well if u would take our 2nd rounder and a decent prospect but no way we tradin next years 1st rounder.

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I imagine Burke will take Trouba no?

What would you guys give to move up to #2?
Burke and his assitant GMs have personally scouted Galchenyuk, Yakupov, and Grigoenko. No mention of any dmen being on their radar. Definately not Trouba, hes a clear level below Dumba or Murray.

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So is that group of d they have
tell me, which d-man did Pittsburgh or Chicago pick in the top 5?

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tell me, which d-man did Pittsburgh or Chicago pick in the top 5?
Well Chicago only drafted top 5 twice, unlike Edmonton. They didn't screw up in the 2003 draft, and got Seabrook. Lucked out in the 2nd round, and got Keith. Very slim Oilers get a top pairing guy from the 2nd rounds on. Pittsburgh stepped into an age where they were able to draft two generational players, but they were able to use UFA to acquire solid defenders. Edmonton is undesirable at this point for guys to come.

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Edmonton Oilers recent history dictates that they'll stockpile talent for years and years.... make one good run in the playoffs then start the process over again.
which "recent" history shows this? 2006?

let me know which talent was stockpiled to make that run

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Gets to play in the coldest city in the NHL. Gets to play with Nathan McKinnon. Can drive to Calgary for the Stampede.

I would be shocked if Shultz picked Edmonton.
Bob MacKenzie said otherwise...I'll take his word for it


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Would any Leaf fans consider trading their 2012 and 2013 first round picks for the Oilers 2012 first?
dont be ridiculous

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tell me, which d-man did Pittsburgh or Chicago pick in the top 5?
not a defender but Fluery was picked top 5... and goaltending is bigger than defence imo.

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I imagine Burke will take Trouba no?

What would you guys give to move up to #2?
i really hope not. its like ur looking at the place of birth and u decide who burke is going to pick... its been said upper management has been at sarnia, quebec and kitchener (yakopov/gally, grigorenko, faksa top prospects on those teams)

i would be very upset if Burke reaches for Trouba at 5... very very very upset especially when the likes of either galchenyuk,murray,dumba,forsberg would be available.

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Edmonton Oilers recent history dictates that they'll stockpile talent for years and years.... make one good run in the playoffs then start the process over again.
Yeah.... you really have no clue about the Oilers.

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You dont want Grigorenko or Galchenyuk?

Seems like a pretty good opportunity to get what the team lacks most.
galchenyuk/forsberg/murray/dumba will be available at 5. i think we will stick at 5 thank u, unless u want #5 and something like franson for the 2nd but i dont want to trade that pick, the player there will be a very good player.

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