Four years ago I advocated dumping him.
He set back the Oilers re-build almost single-handedly.
There is nothing he can do impressively hockey-wise.
I defy anyone to make a rational case otherwise.
Trying to trade him should have been done months , if not years , ago.
Cut the Oiler losses. Set him adrift next week. We need a second center who can actually do something.
Imagine if the Oilers had been astute enough to have traded him for Ray Whitney three years ago?
Well known Oiler apologists for Gagner have always tried to shut down honesty well it comes to any discussion about his deficiencies. Even they must now concede he is a total useless hockey commodity.
Four years ago I advocated dumping him.
He set back the Oilers re-build almost single-handedly. There is nothing he can do impressively hockey-wise.
I defy anyone to make a rational case otherwise.
Trying to trade him should have been done months , if not years , ago.
Cut the Oiler losses. Set him adrift next week. We need a second center who can actually do something.
Imagine if the Oilers had been astute enough to have traded him for Ray Whitney three years ago?
Well known Oiler apologists for Gagner have always tried to shut down honesty well it comes to any discussion about his deficiencies. Even they must now concede he is a total useless hockey commodity.
So much fail in such a tiny post!
How is an 8 point game not impressive?
Are you honestly blaming the rebuild on Samwise? Really??
Four years ago I advocated dumping him.
He set back the Oilers re-build almost single-handedly.
There is nothing he can do impressively hockey-wise.
I defy anyone to make a rational case otherwise.
Trying to trade him should have been done months , if not years , ago.
Cut the Oiler losses. Set him adrift next week. We need a second center who can actually do something.
Imagine if the Oilers had been astute enough to have traded him for Ray Whitney three years ago?
Well known Oiler apologists for Gagner have always tried to shut down honesty well it comes to any discussion about his deficiencies. Even they must now concede he is a total useless hockey commodity.
I don't get this at all.
Last edited by ponokanocker: 04-04-2012 at 10:15 AM.
Since Gagner's record setting 8 point game, he went for 9-8-17 in his last 31 games what looked like a surefire bet that he'd finally reach 50 points fell 3 points short.
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Gags is fiiiine, leave him alone. Sure I wouldn't say he's had an incredible season, but who has? (other than you know who, and even that can be argued by the sourest of critics)
He'll never be a superstar, but he did finish 4th in team scoring and was a +5 on the season (on an atrocious team, to boot). I'm guessing he was heavily sheltered, but I think it still shows he's NHL material. Has he ever been tried on the LW? (Yes, I know he's right-handed. But from experience, I've played LW all my life and I'm right-handed, and feel completely lost on RW). If we draft a defenseman in the first round, maybe give him a shot on the second-line LW next season.
5 years with Gags is enough, hes a good player but not an cupcontending C, way to weak, cant use him in boxplay and in need of exclusive linemates to succed(kind of omark syndrom over him). Remember the hype about him and cogs years ago, cogs already shipped, with a Grigorenko draft its time for Gagner to move on.
If the oilers draft grigorenko and plan to play him day one or if they trade for a sure fire 2nd line center then it's okay to look for a replacement. If not then it would be pure lunacy to get rid of him at this point in time.
Just what we need freaking horcoff elevated back into top two line minutes to go along with his 1st pp time.
Four years ago I advocated dumping him.
He set back the Oilers re-build almost single-handedly.
There is nothing he can do impressively hockey-wise.
I defy anyone to make a rational case otherwise.
Trying to trade him should have been done months , if not years , ago.
Cut the Oiler losses. Set him adrift next week. We need a second center who can actually do something.
Imagine if the Oilers had been astute enough to have traded him for Ray Whitney three years ago?
Well known Oiler apologists for Gagner have always tried to shut down honesty well it comes to any discussion about his deficiencies. Even they must now concede he is a total useless hockey commodity.
So much win in this post...
My favorite was the criticism of management for not trading Gagner for Ray Whitney.
Imagine how much further along the rebuild would be today if that had been done
Indisputable
Hall, RNH and especially Ebs should also be traded, because they prevented this team from finishing last this season. Indisputable.
Here are some actual facts: many teams would love to have Sam Gagner as a #2 center- even playoff teams. Kyle Turris is the second line anchor in Ottawa, for chrissakes- and he had 29 points this year!
Oilers fans have consistently clamored for actual NHL players. Gagner is indisputably one, and the facts show he's indisputably a second line center. He finished 39th in scoring amongst centers- more than Skinner, M. Richards, Cammalleri and Roy.
Sure, he's frustrating at times. But he's stunning at others. Until/unless the Oilers acquire a player who is clearly heads and shoulders better- today, not two or three or five years from now- there's no reason to trade the guy. The Oilers will lose games if that occurs.
I just get the feeling we'll never make the playoffs if Sam Gagner is our no.2 center, because that means our no.2 line will forever be inconsistent with him on it.
He just can't carry a line, he needs to be carried by others (preferably big, physical forwards ... which is compounded by the fact that we have finesse players to play with him).
I just get the feeling we'll never make the playoffs if Sam Gagner is our no.2 center, because that means our no.2 line will forever be inconsistent with him on it.
He just can't carry a line, he needs to be carried by others (preferably big, physical forwards ... which is compounded by the fact that we have finesse players to play with him).
So how the heck did the Sens make it with Turris as second-line center? They had one PPG player and one star defenceman otherwise. The Oilers will be a better-constructed team than that one even if they took Murray #2. Edmonton's playoff hopes have nothing to do with who the second line center is.
So how the heck did the Sens make it with Turris as second-line center? They had one PPG player and one star defenceman otherwise. The Oilers will be a better-constructed team than that one even if they took Murray #2. Edmonton's playoff hopes have nothing to do with who the second line center is.
If you don't have consistent scoring from your second line, I tend to think it's very hard to make the playoffs.
The problem is Gagner is just his game is weak overall too ... easy to knock off the puck, easy to knock onto his butt ... just way too soft.
Either Nugent Hopkins is going to have to get on roids to accelerate his physical development to make up for Gagner's shortcomings or Sam has to make massive improvements himself, and y'know having 5 years to train for NHL training camps, I'm not sure exactly what he plans on doing differently this year.
If you don't have consistent scoring from your second line, I tend to think it's very hard to make the playoffs.
That, again, applies to the Sens. Michalek-Spezza-Alfie... and then a mixture of Foligno, Greening, Turris, Smith and Condra. The Oilers actually out-scored their bottom nine.
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The problem is Gagner is just his game is weak overall too ... easy to knock off the puck, easy to knock onto his butt ... just way too soft.
And yet he's a more effective offensive player than Dubinsky, Ott or Stewart.
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Either Nugent Hopkins is going to have to get on roids to accelerate his physical development to make up for Gagner's shortcomings or Sam has to make massive improvements himself, and y'know having 5 years to train for NHL training camps, I'm not sure exactly what he plans on doing differently this year.
Why? I still don't see a compelling argument as to why one of the team's top two centers has to be a 6'5 245 lbs beast. I have a feeling this has something to do with Grigorenko, and you're aware he's the complete antithesis of a power forward, right? Gagner may be more physical than he is.
This was another disappointing season for Sammy. Failed to hit 50 points again except this season that cant in any way be blamed on his linemates like it has been in the past. He spent all but a handful of games in the top 6 and had consistent PP time all season. His defensive game is not improving nearly as much as everyone here claims it to be, he isnt even a consideration for being used on the PK yet. He still commits way to many turnovers at both bluelines and gets pushed off the puck far too easily.
I would be very happy if management could deal him for a solid top 4 Dman and then sign a reliable vet to a one year deal to help Grigorenko adjust to the NHL and not require that line to be sheltered like Gagner had to be all season.
Hall, RNH and especially Ebs should also be traded, because they prevented this team from finishing last this season. Indisputable.
Here are some actual facts: many teams would love to have Sam Gagner as a #2 center- even playoff teams. Kyle Turris is the second line anchor in Ottawa, for chrissakes- and he had 29 points this year!
Oilers fans have consistently clamored for actual NHL players. Gagner is indisputably one, and the facts show he's indisputably a second line center. He finished 39th in scoring amongst centers- more than Skinner, M. Richards, Cammalleri and Roy.
Sure, he's frustrating at times. But he's stunning at others. Until/unless the Oilers acquire a player who is clearly heads and shoulders better- today, not two or three or five years from now- there's no reason to trade the guy. The Oilers will lose games if that occurs.
Really?
Because it seems we are losing more than our fair share already.
So Sam Gagner is not an NHL player? Care to back that gem up?
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Because it seems we are losing more than our fair share already.
There is no 31st place.
There's 30th place, and it was rather far away this year. This team will improve if it continues to add NHL players. It will lose and return to 30th if it does not. Care to also provide an argument against that?
