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04-08-2012, 01:49 PM
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If they need to move higgins up to the 2nd, lapierre is my replacement for higgins on the 3rd. Hansen changes his game too much when Raymond is on the same line. Playoff lapierre is incredible. Lapierre will hit anything and Raymond will do the exact opposite. Knowing AV, he will throw Raymond on the 2nd line. To me, it's either 2nd or 4th line for Raymond.
wait then who would we play on the 1st line, is dank gonna be back on time?

this series is chance for raymond to finally utilize his speed, if doesn't use seize this opportunity against la's slower defence then this guy should be shipped out in the off season

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A little adversity isn't gonna kill us.
But it'll give the entire fanbase heart attacks. We can barely take losing in the regular season. We could be up 2-0 in this series, lose game 3, and a lot of people would sound like they're about to jump off a cliff.

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We never trailed against Boston.
Except when the series was over.

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For everyone with that President's Trophy curse garbage, TSN had a stat...teams have won back-to-back PT's four times, and three of those times have won the Cup in the second season.
I think we have to accept that we have an extremely negative fanbase. We don't cheer much when things are going well, but whenever they think there is a problem, all hell breaks loose.

Just look at the mocking cheer when Luongo was pulled a few games ago. Rogers Arena is usually pretty damn quiet when our team is playing well, but as soon as Luongo gets pulled the fanbase decided to make a big deal about it. We are a critical/whiney fanbase. I've come to accept that. The thing that sickens me the most is how our newspaper writers seem to hate the team. You'd think they were writers for the opposing team, but nope. They know that the canucks fanbase only responds to negativity so they dont like to write about how good our team is doing.


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wait then who would we play on the 1st line, is dank gonna be back on time?

this series is chance for raymond to finally utilize his speed, if doesn't use seize this opportunity against la's slower defence then this guy should be shipped out in the off season
I just meant in general once our team is healthy. I should have been more clear. Hope Dan comes back soon.


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Cup Rings per Team:

Vancouver - 2
Samuel Pahlsson and Aaron Rome (2007)

Los Angeles - 3
Justin Williams (2006)
Dustin Penner (2007)
Rob Scuderi (2009)
I never bought the hole cup ring argument (it seems so dumb to think just because Aaron Rome played minimal minutes and basically watch the rest of his team win the cup that some how he'll be better...).

But the argument basically states, having a cup rings gives you an advantage because you "know what it takes". I'd say to that, that going to Game 7 gives you almost as much, if not as much, the same amount of experience.

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wait then who would we play on the 1st line, is dank gonna be back on time?

this series is chance for raymond to finally utilize his speed, if doesn't use seize this opportunity against la's slower defence then this guy should be shipped out in the off season
I hate to say it because I've been a Raymond supporter all this time, but he has no place on the team right now, if Daniel is healthy. The entire team is already made up of speedy defensive players, and his offensive game doesnt fit with the bottom 9's north-south game. Raymond plays too east-west for my liking.

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Except when the series was over.
We're still trailing the Chicago series from '10 and '09!

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wait then who would we play on the 1st line, is dank gonna be back on time?

this series is chance for raymond to finally utilize his speed, if doesn't use seize this opportunity against la's slower defence then this guy should be shipped out in the off season
I've got to agree. Raymond has got to exploit the slow LA Kings team with his speed. If he can't utilize his speed in this series, I've got to question if the speed is more of a spectacle rather than a useful tool.

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Did they continue to have those poor 5 on 5 numbers after Sutter took over? Or were they dragged down by their terrible start?

I'm a little reluctant to use their season averages as a guide. Post-Sutter stats might give a better sense of what we're getting into here.
Their shot ratio didn't really didn't really change when Sutter took over, but their goal ratio improved because they hadn't been getting bounces to that point:

http://behindthenet.ca/L.A_2011.html

Sutter took over at Game 34.

Their shot ratio did improve over the last dozen games or so though. That's probably because of the deadline - Jack Johnson was an absolute black hole on that defence, and swapping him out for Carter improved them significantly in that regard.

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I think we have to accept that we have an extremely negative fanbase. We don't cheer much when things are going well, but whenever they think there is a problem, all hell breaks loose.

Just look at the mocking cheer when Luongo was pulled a few games ago. Rogers Arena is usually pretty damn quiet when our team is playing well, but as soon as Luongo gets pulled the fanbase decided to make a big deal about it. We are a critical/whiney fanbase. I've come to accept that. The thing that sickens me the most is how our newspaper writers seem to hate the team. You'd think they were writers for the opposing team, but nope. They know that the canucks fanbase only responds to negativity so they dont like to write about how good our team is doing.
canucks fans/media are weird. they're all highly critical of the team but still homers. when someone else criticizes the team everyone turns into homers and starts defending the hell out of them, even if it contradicts what we just said about the team. it's like a big brother/little brother situation where we're the only ones allowed to pick on the canucks. it happens in all fanbases, but not to the extent that our fans/media take it.

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For everyone with that President's Trophy curse garbage, TSN had a stat...teams have won back-to-back PT's four times, and three of those times have won the Cup in the second season.
After last years run. Who gives a **** about those stats to be honest.

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I never bought the hole cup ring argument (it seems so dumb to think just because Aaron Rome played minimal minutes and basically watch the rest of his team win the cup that some how he'll be better...).

But the argument basically states, having a cup rings gives you an advantage because you "know what it takes". I'd say to that, that going to Game 7 gives you almost as much, if not as much, the same amount of experience.
Oh I agree. Some people make a big deal of it, though. Almost our entire team is fresh off a run to the Cup Finals, and we have several players who've been on other long playoff runs as well.

Booth, Weise (if he plays) and Bitz (if he plays) are our only playoff newbies, I think.

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canucks fans/media are weird. they're all highly critical of the team but still homers. when someone else criticizes the team everyone turns into homers and starts defending the hell out of them, even if it contradicts what we just said about the team. it's like a big brother/little brother situation where we're the only ones allowed to pick on the canucks. it happens in all fanbases, but not to the extent that our fans/media take it.
Totally agree. We have that whole we will criticize our team to the death, but everyone else better piss off if they trying criticizing them' mentality

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We know Carter's coming back early just cause it's the playoffs and his ankle's not healthy. You know what that means...lay the body! And if he gets in the shooting lanes, he's probably not gonna wanna block many shots or if he does it's really gonna hurt.
'I think he needs a tap on the ankle.' ~ John Ferguson to Bobby Clarke during the 1972 Summit Series re: Kharlamov.

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Oh I agree. Some people make a big deal of it, though. Almost our entire team is fresh off a run to the Cup Finals, and we have several players who've been on other long playoff runs as well.

Booth, Weise (if he plays) and Bitz (if he plays) are our only playoff newbies, I think.
I really hope Booth utilizes the fire he'll have under his belly, all the adrenaline that will be pumping through Rogers. Good under pressure and no stupid plays.

The fact that Booth is a powerforward with amazing speed should give LA fits(hopefully.)

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Anyone worried about our matchup read a nice post from a Bruins fan that cheered me up a bit. Still going to be tough, but we'll do our best to pull this off.

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Redemption is a very strong performance motivator. Remember before the Philly series last year, almost no one was picking the Bruins to get past them, let alone sweep them. Who cares now that they were a team that lost a series after being 3-0 up?

Vancouver have equal, if not more reason to perform. I think no matter the analysis of their talent and performance levels, it all goes out the window with a team hell bent on winning. Theres so many pointless predictions made on HF, adding more fuel to the fire seems ridiculous. But suffice to say you'll see a very focused Vancouver team in the post-season.

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Anyone worried about our matchup read a nice post from a Bruins fan that cheered me up a bit. Still going to be tough, but we'll do our best to pull this off.



Yeah. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that history, statistics and all don't add up to jack in the playoffs. Anything can happen. (or dare I say, history will be made?)

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The error here is listening to anything that Craig Button - a possible close second to Mike Milbury as worst GM ever - has to say. Jamie McLennan may be a nice guy, but his hockey analysis leaves a lot to be desired.
Craig Button's most brilliant move as Calgary GM IMHO...

Releasing Martin St. Louis in 2000 who the signed as free agent with TBL - and the rest is history. Of course St. Louis was instrumental in defeating the Flames in the 2004 SCF.

He hired Don Hay as head coach who lasted 68 games.

He signed Roman Turek to along term deal and Turek proceed to play like Dan Cloutier in play-off form - and the Flames won only 19 of the remaining 63 games after the signing. The Flames finished 11th in the Western Conference, 15 points back of the 8th place Vancouver Canucks. This was the sixth consecutive season the Flames failed to qualify for the post-season.

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And just like last year, every opponent is going to pull the upset and expose the pretender Canucks...

Seriously, for a team that's been 1st overall two years in a row, went to game 7 SCF, has won numerous awards the past few years, you'd think the Canucks would get a little more respect.
Canucks cheat, whine and dive and do not deserve any respect.

Did you not get the memo from Rompin' Ronnie MacLean?

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'I think he needs a tap on the ankle.' ~ John Ferguson to Bobby Clarke during the 1972 Summit Series re: Kharlamov.
Ahh, the summit series. Wish I could've been alive for it, but dvd's will have to do.

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no idea where to put his, but didn't think it needed a new thread.

anyone else getting really effing sick of ed willes' sarcastic fanbase-mocking articles?
Given the proclivities of some of the Canucks fan base they deserve to be mocked.

Have you read the CDC Canucks forum recently?

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I'm sorry but Russia was superior to Canada in 1972. We thugged them into submission...kinda like how Boston got around last year.

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Somebody from the org reads this and gives it to AV.

AV: but...this...makes sense? Bah! *crumples paper, tosses in bin*
Lol, my thought exactly. Makes too much sense.

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At least the media is going to lighten off the canucks a bit, way to focused on the monster pens vs philly series, and boston/caps

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