Have to say, the Oilers must be big-time disappointed with that MPS pick. Doesn't even look that impressive at the AHL level for being a 10th overall with NHL experience.
Have to say, the Oilers must be big-time disappointed with that MPS pick. Doesn't even look that impressive at the AHL level for being a 10th overall with NHL experience.
Have to say, the Oilers must be big-time disappointed with that MPS pick. Doesn't even look that impressive at the AHL level for being a 10th overall with NHL experience.
Such a shame they rushed him to the nhl like they did.
As spamhuis said, he was rushed. He could have been great but there's no better way to destroy talent than to bring them up before they're ready.
He may still be good but the oilers aren't helping him or themselves doing what they're doing
MPS' problem is he has everything going for him outside of finishing ability. He should never have played in the NHL last year. He should have stayed in Sweden where he is comfortable, to develop his finishing skills. Instead he gets rushed to the NHL, gets the pressure of being a 1st round pick, and when he can't finish, or gets demoted because of the 'kid line' his confidence gets knocked to an all time low.
I can't ever see him being an effective NHLer as an Oiler. Probably get picked up by another organization and develop into a Cleary type guy.
at the amount of reaction a random comment about MPS gets compared to all the posts here about our prospects.
Well we pretty much know what we have in Schroeder, Sauve, Connauton and Rodin. Corrado and Jensen didn't really do much and are playing extremely limited roles, seems like a good opportunity to kick the Oil can while they are down.
Well we pretty much know what we have in Schroeder, Sauve, Connauton and Rodin. Corrado and Jensen didn't really do much and are playing extremely limited roles, seems like a good opportunity to kick the Oil can while they are down.
I am happy with a slowed role of Jensen onto this team, he's played way too much hockey this year. Let him adjust to the level and play 7-10 mins a game before move to a more prominent role.
Have to say, the Oilers must be big-time disappointed with that MPS pick. Doesn't even look that impressive at the AHL level for being a 10th overall with NHL experience.
Obviously MPS has regressed considering his rookie season in the NHL, but it is interesting your opinion of MPS vs. Schroeder. Keeping in mind that MPS is 3/4 of a year younger than Schroeder:
Magnus Paajarvi Svensson: 2011-2012 AHL: 0.74 PPG
Jordan Schroeder: 2011-2012 AHL:0.59 PPG
MPS leads his team in PPG, Schroeder is 4th on his team in PPG.
Obviously MPS has regressed considering his rookie season in the NHL, but it is interesting your opinion of MPS vs. Schroeder. Keeping in mind that MPS is 3/4 of a year younger than Schroeder:
Magnus Paajarvi Svensson: 2011-2012 AHL: 0.74 PPG
Jordan Schroeder: 2011-2012 AHL:0.59 PPG
MPS leads his team in PPG, Schroeder is 4th on his team in PPG.
*sigh* I don't know what to tell you. I was watching the game, MPS looked like a speedy guy that wasn't making much of a difference and I made that comment. He was drafted 10th overall, not 22nd.
Schroeder had another good game and has 9 points in his last 9 games (4 goals), he's all over the ice and contributing on both sides of the puck. This is all while being on the 2nd PP unit that barely gets to see the ice, so most of his scoring is coming at ES and in the games I see he's the engine that makes Sweatt and Davies go.
I find it amusing that you find it necessary to follow me around with this whole Hodgson vs Schroeder thing that you seem to be stuck on. I honestly don't care. I'm watching the games and reporting back what I see. If you don't agree with me, feel free to find a way to watch these games yourself and then post what your impression of the games is.
Obviously MPS has regressed considering his rookie season in the NHL, but it is interesting your opinion of MPS vs. Schroeder. Keeping in mind that MPS is 3/4 of a year younger than Schroeder:
Magnus Paajarvi Svensson: 2011-2012 AHL: 0.74 PPG
Jordan Schroeder: 2011-2012 AHL:0.59 PPG
MPS leads his team in PPG, Schroeder is 4th on his team in PPG.
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but a 13 goal pace vs Schroeder's 27 goal pace... which is almost reverse roles.
*sigh* I don't know what to tell you. I was watching the game, MPS looked like a speedy guy that wasn't making much of a difference and I made that comment. He was drafted 10th overall, not 22nd.
Schroeder had another good game and has 9 points in his last 9 games (4 goals), he's all over the ice and contributing on both sides of the puck. This is all while being on the 2nd PP unit that barely gets to see the ice, so most of his scoring is coming at ES and in the games I see he's the engine that makes Sweatt and Davies go.
I find it amusing that you find it necessary to follow me around with this whole Hodgson vs Schroeder thing that you seem to be stuck on. I honestly don't care. I'm watching the games and reporting back what I see. If you don't agree with me, feel free to find a way to watch these games yourself and then post what your impression of the games is.
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I was just introducing pertinent information to the debate.
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I was just introducing pertinent information to the debate.
In what way was it pertinent? Did ANYONE ever compare Schroeder and MPS?
I was watching the game, I made an off-hand remark about his play, none of it had anything to do with Schroeder. For whatever reason you decided to bring him into the fold in your continued crusade to try and prove that he's not a good enough prospect.
If we had drafted Schroeder 10th in that draft, I would be pretty damn disappointed. We drafted him 22nd.
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This wouldn't be an issue had there not been a history of you bringing irrelevant stats to a discussion about Schroeder. Nobody cared last time you did it with Hodgson vs Schroeder, and nobody cares now.
You're the equivalent of the guy that didn't watch the NHL last year and then based on stats decided that Taylor Hall is 10x the player that Tyler Seguin is, without giving any consideration to which line they're on, the style that the team plays, how much PP time they get, whether one is defensively responsible and the other isn't, etc.
The stats you post — every single person on these boards can go and look up. They give us ZERO understanding of how Schroeder is playing and what the future holds in store for him. You think a guy that looked at Karlsson's stats (10 points in 45 SEL games) after the 09 season saw it in him to put up 26 NHL points the next year and then go on to become the best PMD in the league within 3 years?
I've only done 3 reports this year, but orcatown and thefeebster have reported on probably close to 80-90% of the games. They contribute infinitely more than grabbing player's point totals, dividing by games played and then pretending like it's so "pertinent."
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In what way was it pertinent? Did ANYONE ever compare Schroeder and MPS?
I was watching the game, I made an off-hand remark about his play, none of it had anything to do with Schroeder. For whatever reason you decided to bring him into the fold in your continued crusade to try and prove that he's not a good enough prospect.
If we had drafted Schroeder 10th in that draft, I would be pretty damn disappointed. We drafted him 22nd.
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This wouldn't be an issue had there not been a history of you bringing irrelevant stats to a discussion about Schroeder. Nobody cared last time you did it with Hodgson vs Schroeder, and nobody cares now.
You're the equivalent of the guy that didn't watch the NHL last year and then based on stats decided that Taylor Hall is 10x the player that Tyler Seguin is, without giving any consideration to which line they're on, the style that the team plays, how much PP time they get, whether one is defensively responsible and the other isn't, etc.
The stats you post — every single person on these boards can go and look up. They give us ZERO understanding of how Schroeder is playing and what the future holds in store for him. You think a guy that looked at Karlsson's stats (10 points in 45 SEL games) after the 09 season saw it in him to put up 26 NHL points the next year and then go on to become the best PMD in the league within 3 years?
I've only done 3 reports this year, but orcatown and thefeebster have reported on probably close to 80-90% of the games. They contribute infinitely more than grabbing player's point totals, dividing by games played and then pretending like it's so "pertinent."
I am not sure why you have{MOD EDIT} each time I supply statistics that are not necessarily consistent with your opinion of a player. You gave an evaluation of how you thought MPS looked in the AHL, which is great, and I supplied statistics that suggested a contrary conclusion to the one you have come to.
The statistics I supplied are absolutely relevant to your analysis of MPS. The Schroeder statistics are also very relevant as he was drafted in the same round as MPS and is roughly the same age, and thus, is a good comparison. Sure, they were drafted 12 spots apart, but that doesn't make the comparison not relevant. In fact, IIRC, Schroeder and MPS were not ranked too far apart in some pre-draft scouting rankings.
Your conclusion that I am some sort of slave-to-statistics because I have supplied them in a number of discussions is baseless and disingenuous. I have stated in the past that I value posters who watch our prospects play and post reports of their experiences.
Quite obviously, statistics are not the be all and end all, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be addressed.
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You gave an evaluation of how you thought MPS looked in the AHL, which is great, and I supplied statistics that suggested a contrary conclusion to the one you have come to.
It's not like we have another player on this team that would make for a far more relevant comparison, right? Oh wait, we do. His name is Zack Kassian, he's also a winger, also a bigger guy, and drafted only 3 spots later. He scored 15 goals in 30 games in his first pro stint.
So, again, if I were the Oilers and drafted MPS at 10 and that's how he compared to Zack Kassian at 13 — I would be disappointed.
Our Give a Crap level was on display last night.....keep it going boys. Sweat is hands down my favorite player these days. He's someone the other team always has to worry about. Great game by Climie when we really needed him.
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I loved the way Jensen PHYSICALLY knocked a guy off the puck then took it away from him in the third period, I think. He seems to have what we've been missing......physical play. I like what I've seen of him so far. It's nice to have the influx of young energy.
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How about Billy Sweatt? What a set of wheels on that guy!
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so true! Sweat has become my favorite player on the team.
Sweatt seems to be having a bit of a down year in general, but I'm not sure if he's actually playing worse. He's right on pace to match his goal total from last season which is nice to see, while getting fewer assists. If he's on the 2nd unit, do they really not get that much PP time at all?
It's not like we have another player on this team that would make for a far more relevant comparison, right? Oh wait, we do. His name is Zack Kassian, he's also a winger, also a bigger guy, and drafted only 3 spots later. He scored 15 goals in 30 games in his first pro stint.
So, again, if I were the Oilers and drafted MPS at 10 and that's how he compared to Zack Kassian at 13 — I would be disappointed.
Kassian is another good comparison, but that doesn't make the Schroeder comparison irrelevant.
I don't think the Oilers are as short-sighted as you may be implying. MPS had a great rookie season and I doubt this has been forgotten by the Oilers faithful...then again, it is Lowe and Tambellini.
If he's on the 2nd unit, do they really not get that much PP time at all?
In the games I've watched it's a similar story to the Canucks in that the 1st unit is out there for up to 1:30 and then the 2nd unit gets the scraps. Then there's the bad PP coaching.
at the amount of reaction a random comment about MPS gets compared to all the posts here about our prospects.
