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I'm curious as to what happens to the actual physical banners after a relocation.
For example, I assume Atlanta's 2007 SE Division Champs banner is still in Phillips Arena (either hanging or in storage), but what will happen to it over time? Discarded and destroyed?
And you would assume wrong. I believe the ******** at A$G have disposed of any and all evidence hockey was ever in Philips.
So if Phoenix had won the Cup in say, 2009, we should have a banner for that too?
I think that what is accomplished in a city stays in that city. Glendale can honour their Coyotes players as much as they want if the team moves, just like we still do with the players who were important for this community.
The banners are intimately linked with the arena. This is were the exploits have taken place, this is where they should be honoured and remembered.
I'm in the "franchises belong to the people" camp. Anything that happened in QC before the previous relocation, and anything that happens after this next relocation, all belongs where ever they're playing NHL hockey in QC.
That the previous edition of the Nordiques is currently in Colorado is, to me, pretty irrelevant.
I'm in the "franchises belong to the people" camp. Anything that happened in QC before the previous relocation, and anything that happens after this next relocation, all belongs where ever they're playing NHL hockey in QC.
That the previous edition of the Nordiques is currently in Colorado is, to me, pretty irrelevant.
Enough time has passed that it doesn't matter.
Adam Foote was the last NHLer to be playing. He's retired.
So the Nords are just extinct now. And Colorado doesn't care about that history.
So really, why not just have the Nords get that history back??
Right. HH... who knows where he might leave that egg??
FWIW....
The Coyotes have the banners of a few former Winnipeg Jets players (including some who never played in Arizona) hanging in the arena in Glendale. The goal was to honor those players as valued members of the franchise.
With the Jets being reborn now.... I would think TNSE would eventually honor those same players in some way in the near future.
Right. HH... who knows where he might leave that egg??
FWIW....
The Coyotes have the banners of a few former Winnipeg Jets players (including some who never played in Arizona) hanging in the arena in Glendale. The goal was to honor those players as valued members of the franchise.
With the Jets being reborn now.... I would think TNSE would eventually honor those same players in some way in the near future.
The current Jets team has no ties to the one that left for Arizona. Ilya Kovalchuk is the leading goal scorer for the current Jets.
No. The banners belong to the fans of a specific city. This is why there is no Nordiques banner in Denver and why there will be no Coyotes banners in Quebec city.
I'm in the "franchises belong to the people" camp. Anything that happened in QC before the previous relocation, and anything that happens after this next relocation, all belongs where ever they're playing NHL hockey in QC.
That the previous edition of the Nordiques is currently in Colorado is, to me, pretty irrelevant.
I'm of that mindset as well. I don't care what happened to the Thrashers in Atlanta. The Dan Snyder award is a nice gesture but retiring Kovalchuk's number when he retires would be ridiculous. The Coyotes may have done stuff like that for the Jets history but it reeks of desperation IMO. It seems like they're trying too hard to give the fans a sense of history or to attract former players from the franchise to front office positions, neither of which seemed to work for the Coyotes.
I don't see any reason why the Nordiques would raise a banner for the Coyotes winning the division. I could see them doing a ceremony for it, sans banner, simply because the players did work hard for it and deserve an extra round of applause for their efforts. This is all hypothetical of course.
...seems like they're trying too hard to give the fans a sense of history or to attract former players from the franchise to front office positions, neither of which seemed to work for the Coyotes.
A teams history simply is not an exportable commodity. Full stop. Dont bother. Wherever they land its a case of "Ok great, past is a blank sheet, show me, your only as good as your next shift". Thats the way it should be.
Grafting great players onto the franchise be it from the teams former incarnation elsewhere or bringing in a Gretzky or Ken Dryden with with tales of a glorious past, supposedly arriving with steamer trunks full of Pixie Dust doesnt work either unless they live up to their reps on the ice, behind the bench or in the front office.
A teams history simply is not an exportable commodity. Full stop. Dont bother. Wherever they land its a case of "Ok great, past is a blank sheet, show me, your only as good as your next shift". Thats the way it should be.
Grafting great players onto the franchise be it from the teams former incarnation elsewhere or bringing in a Gretzky or Ken Dryden with with tales of a glorious past, supposedly arriving with steamer trunks full of Pixie Dust doesnt work either unless they live up to their reps on the ice, behind the bench or in the front office.
Well, some of us disagree. The city is just where the team happens to be currently located. Most of this "belongs to the fans" nonsense is simply a bunch of arrogant sports fans trying to make themselves more important than they really are.
Well, some of us disagree. The city is just where the team happens to be currently located. Most of this "belongs to the fans" nonsense is simply a bunch of arrogant sports fans trying to make themselves more important than they really are.
Meaning what exactly?... why should a fan in Denver give a tinkers about the teams history in Quebec City or vice-versa if the situations reversed and why paint either fan base as being somehow "arrogant" for it?.
Just show up & compete, win more than you lose, the Cup would be nice (Mission Accomplished in Colorado) with new memories relevant to the individuals city, place & time.
Some relocated teams opt to trade on the history. Like the Dodgers for example. Their Brooklyn roots are a part of the image the market. The Giants who moved at the same time barely mention their past.
The Twins per their lease agreement with the state of Minnesota would have to leave their history in Minnesota if they leave, like the Browns did when they went to Baltimore.
I know the MTS Centre still has AHL banners in it. And its true, Quebec will have the history, Winnipeg will have the story, and the Coyotes will be that weird 15 year void....
I don't see any reason why the Nordiques would raise a banner for the Coyotes winning the division. I could see them doing a ceremony for it, sans banner, simply because the players did work hard for it and deserve an extra round of applause for their efforts. This is all hypothetical of course.
While I think it's fair to say that for Québec the franchise itself is the real prize & the limited comodity here (with the individual players under contract essentially being an afterthought), the players are still stakeholders here. So I think it would be good form for Quebecor to raise a Pacific Division banner next year (or something equivalent) for the sake of the ex-Coyotes they'll inherit if the relocation does go through. Sure, most of those players would move on within 5 years, but that doesn't change the fact that some may only experience winning a division title once in their careers.
Perhaps - as you suggest - a ceremony early in the season at the Colisée to honour the "2012 Pacific Division winners", without an actual banner raising, would be most appropriate. It'd show the players that the new owners value them, give due credit & TBH probably make them feel more welcome on their new home ice.
Some relocated teams opt to trade on the history. Like the Dodgers for example. Their Brooklyn roots are a part of the image the market. The Giants who moved at the same time barely mention their past.
The Giants definitely do respect their New York past - maybe they don't play it up as much as the Dodgers, who had the continuity of the O'Malley ownership - but they do make a point of publicizing it where appropriate.
The retired names/numbers of Mathewson, McGraw, Terry, Ott, and Hubbell grace AT&T Park (and Candlestick before). The Giants retired Monte Irvin's number in 2010 - even though he played his entire Giants career in New York. The Giants always kept up their nostalgic ties to 1951 (Russ Hodges' "The Giants win the Pennant! The Giants Win the Pennant! ...) and the 1954 World Series championship and Mays' over-the-shoulder Catch. Every playoff and World Series run has been filled with stories about "the Giants are seeking their first Championship in San Francisco", peppered with clips from the Polo Grounds.
The Quebec Nordiques won the NE division in 1994-95 but did not raise the banner on the Avalanche's opening night for the 1995-96 season (that I am aware of). There is no banner in the Pepsi Center for the Nordiques' division win- I am sure of that.
I believe Colorado tried to distance themselves from Quebec's history. I believe the only numbers in the rafters are for Colorado guys (and obviously guys who were on both). I believe Stastny and Goulet are not honored in the Pepsi Center.
I know the MTS Centre still has AHL banners in it. And its true, Quebec will have the history, Winnipeg will have the story, and the Coyotes will be that weird 15 year void....
Exactly! I hope in a decade we can all look back and laugh that at some point in the 90's the NHL stupidly took teams away from true hockey markets like Québec, Winnipeg, Minnesota and Hartford toward the deep south.
