They have picked 7 D in the 2 drafts, including 1 in the first round and 2 in the 2nd round
I'd bet they'll draft the BPA. There are only seven slots for defenders, with five taken for next season (Smid-Petry, Shultz-Whitney, and Sutton, Peckham, Potter in reserve.)
In 2006, Edmonton took Petry and Peckham - just beginning their careers.
Since then, Edmonton's drafted:
Alex Plante(2007-15) - AHL all-star team this year
Johan Motin(2008-103) - bust
Jordan Bendfeld (2008-193) - bust
Troy Hesketh (2009-71) - bust
Kyle Bigos (2009-99) - NCAA, prospect.
Martin Marincin (2010-46) WHL, prospect.
Jeremie Blain (2010-91) QMJHL, prospect.
Brandon Davidson (2010-162) WHL, prospect.
Oscar Klefbom (2011-19) SEL, top prospect.
David Musil (2011-31) WHL, prospect.
Dillon Simpson (2011-92) WHL, prospect.
Martin Gernat (2011-122) WHL, prospect.
I'd bet that any desire to draft for need will be tempered with the fact the the NHL core is young, and there are a number of players currently in the system that are performing at a high level.
I'd bet they'll draft the BPA. There are only seven slots for defenders, with five taken for next season (Smid-Petry, Shultz-Whitney, and Sutton, Peckham, Potter in reserve.)
In 2006, Edmonton took Petry and Peckham - just beginning their careers.
Since then, Edmonton's drafted:
Alex Plante(2007-15) - AHL all-star team this year
Johan Motin(2008-103) - bust
Jordan Bendfeld (2008-193) - bust
Troy Hesketh (2009-71) - bust
Kyle Bigos (2009-99) - NCAA, prospect.
Martin Marincin (2010-46) WHL, prospect.
Jeremie Blain (2010-91) QMJHL, prospect.
Brandon Davidson (2010-162) WHL, prospect.
Oscar Klefbom (2011-19) SEL, top prospect.
David Musil (2011-31) WHL, prospect.
Dillon Simpson (2011-92) WHL, prospect.
Martin Gernat (2011-122) WHL, prospect.
I'd bet that any desire to draft for need will be tempered with the fact the the NHL core is young, and there are a number of players currently in the system that are performing at a high level.
None of those guys are really the same calibre as Murray though
Unfortunately Murray's team got swept in the first round, so there's probably going to be rampant speculation right up until draft day.
Im some ways, Murray's situation is advantageous. He played out of his mind and at a greater offensive clip than ever before in his career. That will be the last memory scouts have of the guy heading into the Draft, rather than a very likely letdown that would have occurred in later rounds as his numbers fell back to earth.
He has been good for sure.. but it is not like he has lite the world on fire and been as good as guys like Tavares, Stamkos, Kane when they came in.
Could the Oilers get him signed long term for hell maybe even under 5?
and yes Oilers need D bad... Maybe trade this years pick for some solid D-man?
I think Hall will get 5. Eberle, 5.5 or 6 depending on next year. RNH is the one who could out-earn all of them; there's a very real possibility he hits 80 points in 12-13, and even more in the final year of his ELC. If Nugent-Hopkins is a 90+ point player at 20, you basically give him what he wants and be happy about it.
That said, they would be better off trading a proven asset (Eberle, Hall, RNH) than trading off a young pick, at this point, due to the perceived risk associated with the pick.
So Edmonton is probable to get the 2nd pick and would be able to draft Grigorenko. Eberle, Hall, RNH, Grigorenko... Shouldn't there be a rule against getting top picks more than 3 yrs in a row? I'm not an EDM hater or something. And I honestly expected them to do better this season. I was just thinking if that is a fair situation by now.
Pittsburgh most recently had -
2002 Whitney #5
2003 Fleury #1
2004 Malkin #2
2005 Crosby #1
2006 Staal #2
I don't hold it against Pittsburgh. They were so bad that they couldnt attract free-agents, and had ownership issues. Edmonton can't attract because they have been so bad, and geography issues.
Klefbom and Marincin have top 3 potential imo with Marincin the greater longshot. Musil, Davidson, Blain look to be solid mid/bottom pairing guys and Gernat is a wildcard who could potentially run an NHL powerplay one day or bust completely. Add Smid and Petry who are only 24 and 26, Edmontons defense prospects are deeper than its forwards.
Hamilton, Pitlick, Cornet dont have much more than 3rd line potential, Omark cant cut it in the top 6. Add that those players and PRV, Hartikainen are all wingers and I'd say our need for a Center behind RNH is greater than defence. Id be very happy if MacGregor fet Grigorenko was the guy.
With that said you always take the BPA for down the road. If thats D you take him, if its a C...even better. Same goes for winger obv
Grigorenkos vision will make him a real player in the bigs. The Oil need a number 2 center that protects the puck and dishes out to guys like Hall, Hemsky, PRV, Hartikainen and Ebs.
If Edmonton had picked Seguin and Landeskog, they would be much better now.
I doubt that. Seguin has a strong team to support him and wasn't that productive in his 1st year. RNH has a higher ceiling than Landeskog. They made the right choices.
Edmonton Oilers recent history dictates that they'll stockpile talent for years and years.... make one good run in the playoffs then start the process over again.
I'd love to hear about all of these top 5 picks the Oilers had between 1991-2005
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Stop. Nobody is giving a top 4 dman for Gagner -- it would be done already. The kid is a tweener -- too small for the bottom 6 -- and doesn't score enough to be in the top 6 regularly.
There should be a rule against this. Gagner would have been sent packing by now if there was a luke warm dman coming back.
How many centres 22 years old or younger outscore him....even under 40
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tell me, which d-man did Pittsburgh or Chicago pick in the top 5?
It's fine. When ELCs are up, let them deal with that.
Hall 36/6yrs
Eberle 36/6yrs
RNH 36/6yrs
Grig 36/6yrs
6 million cap hit x 4 guys = 24 mil tied up in your forward core? Can't complain about that.
To all those saying we need a d-man with this draft, take a look at the forwards we have past the big 3, then look at our d-core in the system and try again.
Classic example of why I don't want d-men with the pick. I want Grigs
If you look at the top D-men in the NHL, more often than not they're guys that were selected later, developed slowly, without any pressure of being a high pick and stepping in right away. We have Klefbom, Musil and Marincin all developing slowly, we developed Petry slowly. We now need another centre to solidify our forward group.
Classic example of why I don't want d-men with the pick. I want Grigs
Plus if you look at the top 30 D scorers in the league(poor example to rate a dman I know) Very few of them are taken in the top 10. Alot are taken after the first round.
If you look at the top D-men in the NHL, more often than not they're guys that were selected later, developed slowly, without any pressure of being a high pick and stepping in right away. We have Klefbom, Musil and Marincin all developing slowly, we developed Petry slowly. We now need another centre to solidify our forward group.
Exactly. I think Klefbom can be an Alex Edler type if we are patient
If you look at the top D-men in the NHL, more often than not they're guys that were selected later, developed slowly, without any pressure of being a high pick and stepping in right away. We have Klefbom, Musil and Marincin all developing slowly, we developed Petry slowly. We now need another centre to solidify our forward group.
Gernat had an excellent rookie season in the WHL this year. Blaine and Davidson had good seasons this year and will be making the jump to pro next season.
If Stu says Murray is the BPA then I'm pretty happy with that. Otherwise it seems that Grigorenko has been the consensus #2 pick since last summer
If you look at the top D-men in the NHL, more often than not they're guys that were selected later, developed slowly, without any pressure of being a high pick and stepping in right away. We have Klefbom, Musil and Marincin all developing slowly, we developed Petry slowly. We now need another centre to solidify our forward group.
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Originally Posted by Homesick
Plus if you look at the top 30 D scorers in the league(poor example to rate a dman I know) Very few of them are taken in the top 10. Alot are taken after the first round.
That's a strategy that may work for other teams, but how is it working for the Oilers? You can talk about Klefbom, Musil, Marincin and Gernat all you want but for now, they're only prospects, so the jury's out.
Going back to 2002, Edmonton has only developped three legitimate NHL defensemen from any round - Peckham, Petry and Greene. Syvret and Chorney are there, but look like AHL tweeners at best. And none of the aforementioned 3 guys are approaching #1 D status any time soon.
So why say "we can always develop a defenseman from the later rounds" if your organization hasn't proved it can do that competently yet? Why not just take the shortcut of drafting the best one in the entire draft, which the Oilers are in a prime position to do?
