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04-08-2012, 11:47 AM
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BTW, prorated to 69 games Lundqvist has just about 9 shutouts. Is 1 shutout really that big of a deal? How many games did Quick have where he allowed 5 goals? At least 1 and I betting more. If he allowed 4 against the Sharks in game 81, they would have won in regulation instead of lost in a shootout and gotten the 7 seed running away. They have a better shot at St. Louis, a team that plays a similar style and has no playoff experience, than Vancouver a team that can both score and defend and was just in game 7 of the cup finals. If we're talking about shutouts let's talk about the reason their stats are identical and Quick has more shutouts. If last year Hank isn't even in the top 3 when he lead the league in shutouts, shutouts shouldn't be a deciding factor.

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04-08-2012, 11:48 AM
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Crosby is 1 for 1 in blocked shot attempts this year, which means his Save % is 1.00. He will win the Vezina.
Forwards aren't eligible, he'll win the Selke

Plus the NHL went backed and reviewed the scoring of his games, he now has 114 points. Can you say Art Ross and Hart?

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04-08-2012, 11:56 AM
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When the Kings were floating around the NHL .500 mark, they were a struggling offensive team. After the trade deadline move to acquire Carter, they scored MUCH more and became an average team offensively in that timeframe. Ironically enough, Quick was putting up most of his wins during that period of time as well.

I'm not sure of the exact stats, but there was a Kings fan that pointed out that they scored about .8 more goals a game after getting Carter from Columbus. The extra support got Quick his wins, not the fact he was MORE dominant than he was initially.

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04-08-2012, 12:23 PM
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All you have to do is think about Hank's numbers if he played in that weak-ass division; probably new NHL records in GAA and Save %...

It's Hank's! Should have had at least two up to this point...

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04-08-2012, 12:26 PM
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Henrik blew his Vezina last night.

Had he shown up he wins it hands down.

He allowed 4 goals. And allowed his numbers to rise too much.

Quick more games played, practically identical numbers.

Quick is going to get it. If he doesn't, something went wrong with the voting.
And Quick let up 3 goals last night in an OTL to SJ.

So what? Since when does 1 game determine a whole year's worth of success? It wasn't like that was a game clinching game last night for Hank in getting us in the playoffs or something. We had 1st clinched.

More games played? Not Hank's fault he got more rest this season. And in less games, he still has 4 more wins while playing in the toughest division in the NHL.

If the stats are so close then why should Quick get it?

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04-08-2012, 12:27 PM
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I think Hank's poor play over the last few weeks cost him the trophy. Quick has been stellar, and more importantly, was very good down the stretch.

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04-08-2012, 12:38 PM
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I think Hank's poor play over the last few weeks cost him the trophy. Quick has been stellar, and more importantly, was very good down the stretch.
So what?

Why should we just use a couple of weeks or even month worth of a slump to determine the winner? All regular season games mean the same. It's not like his poor play cost us a playoff spot. We still clinched 1st. His whole season should be evaluated, not just the last couple of weeks.

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04-08-2012, 01:18 PM
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Henrik blew his Vezina last night.

Had he shown up he wins it hands down.

He allowed 4 goals. And allowed his numbers to rise too much.

Quick more games played, practically identical numbers.

Quick is going to get it. If he doesn't, something went wrong with the voting.
You dont give a guy a postseason award because he was slightly better in just one month of the season.

Henrik was a Hart front-runner until January and a clear-cut Vezina winner after the first 65 or so games. If he and Quick have similar stats, you give it to the guy who was better over a long period of time.

Henrik had a bad March by his standards. He was still 9-6-1 in March/April against a murder schedule -- 7 starts in march against the top-10 teams in the NHL.

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04-08-2012, 02:35 PM
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Henrik blew his Vezina last night.

Had he shown up he wins it hands down.

He allowed 4 goals. And allowed his numbers to rise too much.

Quick more games played, practically identical numbers.

Quick is going to get it. If he doesn't, something went wrong with the voting.
The only thing Hank has going for him is that he plays in a tougher division against more offensively threatening opponents. Plus, seniority might play a factor(I personally think that is nonsense).

But, I agree with you Hank blew his chances last night. I think the trophy goes to Quick. Hank has a mental issue during the season where he doesn't keep up his game.

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04-08-2012, 03:47 PM
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I can argue this two ways.

1. Hank plays in a tougher division and frankly, a tougher conference than Quick.

2. Hank may have cost himself the award over the last few weeks - which speaks to a problem he's had over the past few years of having one stretch that always seems to knock him down a notch.

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04-08-2012, 05:03 PM
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Interesting both Henke and Quick **** the bed last night with some pride and the standings on the line....

I have to say, this is a tough one to call. You could make a solid case for either guy to win it, and last night didnt make it any easier.

Vezina is picked by the GMs, who in the past have shown love for Lundqvist nominating him several times. But Quick was very good down the stretch.

I know it's a regular season trophy, but I don't know when they actually have to pick their three noms?

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04-08-2012, 05:14 PM
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I believe they vote before the playoffs. Just isn't announced tll later.
Hank will win. As said already, it is a SEASON award, not a one game or two week award. It is silly to think he lost it in game #82.

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04-08-2012, 06:05 PM
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Of course they could just give it to Brodeur

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04-08-2012, 06:25 PM
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Both have nearly identical stats.

-One led his team to the top of the Eastern Conference while playing the best division.
-The other led his team to an 8th seed despite playing the 2nd weakest division.

Hank wins this. Maybe not by much, but he finally gets his due.

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04-08-2012, 07:11 PM
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And Quick let up 3 goals last night in an OTL to SJ.

So what? Since when does 1 game determine a whole year's worth of success? It wasn't like that was a game clinching game last night for Hank in getting us in the playoffs or something. We had 1st clinched.

More games played? Not Hank's fault he got more rest this season. And in less games, he still has 4 more wins while playing in the toughest division in the NHL.

If the stats are so close then why should Quick get it?
You're getting to hung up on the "just because one game".

It has to do with his numbers. The bad game allowed Quick's numbers to be a little closer then they should have been.

Now, because the numbers are close, he may have blew winning the award. Plain and simple.

It all comes down to what the voters feel.

Quick now has every bit of a chance to win it, when it should have been clear cut.

It's a stat driven award.

MY personal opinion has nothing to do with it. Its a FACT that this is going to be a close vote now.

I want Henrik to win it.

The Henrik WILL win it title...there is no guarantee.

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You dont give a guy a postseason award because he was slightly better in just one month of the season.

Henrik was a Hart front-runner until January and a clear-cut Vezina winner after the first 65 or so games. If he and Quick have similar stats, you give it to the guy who was better over a long period of time.

Henrik had a bad March by his standards. He was still 9-6-1 in March/April against a murder schedule -- 7 starts in march against the top-10 teams in the NHL.
Its not a postseason award....

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04-08-2012, 07:28 PM
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Of course they could just give it to Brodeur
That wouldn't shock me one bit.

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04-08-2012, 07:41 PM
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I still think he'll win it.

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04-08-2012, 08:20 PM
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I'm pretty sure the voting is gonna end up looking like this.
1-Hank
2-Quick
3-Smith
In regards to Smith-He has been more or less pretty amazing down the stretch and before the all star break. I honestly believe there isn't much competition between him and guys like Howard or Rinne who have been a little above average this season compared to Smith who led his team to a Pacific Division Title, and in my opinion, is having the best feel good, out-of-nowhere type year that trumps every one else, including St. Louis, NYR, Stamkos, etc..
Gotta give it to the guy.

Edit: Consequently, that could also benefit Lundqvist having mixed votes between Quick/Smith, where as I can picture the majority of the East voting for Lundqvist.


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haha. hypothetically, what if hank lost the vezina to quick, but somehow got the hart. won't happen, just throwing stuff out there.

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04-08-2012, 08:33 PM
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Hank plays in a division where 4 out of the 5 teams made the playoffs all with 100+ points. The 4th place team in the Atlantic (NJ) had more points than the 1st place team in the Pacific (PHX). It would be ridiculous to give it to Quick when he has nearly identical stats as Hank and Hank plays in the best division (or 2nd best if you think the Central is better) in hockey.
This....

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04-08-2012, 08:45 PM
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haha. hypothetically, what if hank lost the vezina to quick, but somehow got the hart. won't happen, just throwing stuff out there.
Malkin deserves the hart. end of story. he had an amazing year.

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04-08-2012, 08:49 PM
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Am I the only one who knows it's obvious he'll win it? I mean sure if you think it thru too hard you may get yourself to think Quick should win it. But it's Lundqvist's this year, 100%, if you take everything into account (which GM's obviously know).

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04-08-2012, 09:04 PM
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Most of the year, I would have given it to Hank hands down. But with almost identical numbers, and Quick playing on a team with very little offense, his Win numbers are flat out more impressive. He had a sick number of games where he gave up 0 or 1 goals. And when your team doesn't score (2nd lowest goals scored in NHL), it's his play that stands out.
Where were you when Hank did the exact same thing in previous years? I can't count the games that if Hank let in only 2 goals - it was a basically a loss.

All this talk about Quick, and trust me, I'm a HUGE Quick fan, he basically did the same thing this year what Hank did for 2-3 years in a row in recent seasons.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, he gets a nomination for the Vezina hands down. Just like Lundqvist did then. But Henrik gets it this year.

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04-08-2012, 09:08 PM
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without hank im sure the rangers would be fighting for either the 7th or 8th seed. even with quick playing great his team just barely made the playoffs as an 8th seed. That's like giving stamkos the hart trophy over malkin. One guy had a phenomenal season and his team still sucked badly and the other guy carried his team when there was no crosby.

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