You know nothing bothers me more than the "AINEC" posts. If you're posting that in regards to either of these players I really question your hockey knowledge.
Before the season ended I was of the opinion that if RNH won the scoring race he should win but since they're tied it makes things a lot more interesting. Since voters can't give credit for points not scored it allows Landeskog's much trumpeted "intangibles" to come into play.
I see Landeskog winning in the end (though I still much prefer RNH as a player) but those who claim that it's not even a close race aren't making themselves look all that smart IMO.
In my opinion, the reason it's important to look at PPG is that it's inevitable that players get injured. PPG gives you an idea of how effective a player is while they're on the ice. I mean, what % of players actually play 82 games a year?? Certainly there are players that play the game in a riskier style, but that isnt the case here.
A single incidence of Hopkins catching a rut and getting a freak injury led to him missing almost 20 games. Landeskog missed having his head taken off by Sutton by about 2 inches because he was skating around with his head down. There's no magical durability difference seperating them, one player just got lucky while the other didnt.
I hope that Hopkins wins it because I think he was the best rookie of the year, but if Landeskog wins it isnt like he stole it as he also had an excellent showing.
Looking just at PPG Peter Mueller is one of the best players the Avs have ever had. *shrug* Injuries happen but not all players face the same amount of injuries in their careers, even if it is just luck.
RNH on the other hand, has the far higher offensive potential. For the first half his season he was scoring goals and making beautiful passes seemingly at will while logging big minutes on the PP. However, his only inability; staying healthy, should be viewed as his undoing. One of the key concerns with putting such a young guy in the NHL that early in his development is how he'll fare against seasoned NHL professionals. While RNH was able to play his game at the NHL level, he wasn't as physically prepared to face NHL competition as Landeskog was. Not only did Landeskog withstand injury, he was a well-prepared physical force himself finishing the season playing all 82 games of the campaign and ranking #13 in hits, 29th in BkS and 26th in TkA among forwards leaguewide.
For the millionth time, RNH's injury was a freak accident. He tripped on a rut on the ice and hit the boards awkwardly. He never had any issues whatsoever with the physicality of the game. He's not a power forward. He knows how to use his size and does it effectively.
I implore anyone posting about RNH vs Landeskog to actually do some research beyond looking up stats on NHL.com.
For the millionth time, RNH's injury was a freak accident. He tripped on a rut on the ice and hit the boards awkwardly. He never had any issues whatsoever with the physicality of the game. He's not a power forward. He knows how to use his size and does it effectively.
I implore anyone posting about RNH vs Landeskog to actually do some research beyond looking up stats on NHL.com.
Its literally a 30 second highlight, even if NHL.com has an add in front its a 60 second commitment. Oh man that grinding physicality of ruts on the ice. People should actually look at the footage of the injury
I'd take Landeskog. Never know how much/few points Nugent-Hopkins will score in the 20. Plus, Landeskog hit's more and a lot better on the plus/minus side(he is quite defensive reliable). I'd take that then 10 more points. It isn't like NH has less talent on his line.
Henrique also done good. Nice to have on SH.
This is why statistics were invented and are used in every single scientific field.
I guess RNH should stop stick-lifting and start using his massive 175 lb frame if he wants to win awards in the future.
Does anyone have that .gif of RNH stripping the puck from Landeskog and generating a scoring chance?
For the millionth time, RNH's injury was a freak accident. He tripped on a rut on the ice and hit the boards awkwardly. He never had any issues whatsoever with the physicality of the game. He's not a power forward. He knows how to use his size and does it effectively.
I implore anyone posting about RNH vs Landeskog to actually do some research beyond looking up stats on NHL.com.
This may be the case, but does it change the fact that he missed 20 crucial games this season? That amount ends up being about a quarter of the NHL season, and the Edmonton Oilers finished 29th overall because of it. I don't know who to blame if a player injures themselves in a "freak accident" -- is it so out of the question we simply blame RNH?
However, his only inability; staying healthy, should be viewed as his undoing. One of the key concerns with putting such a young guy in the NHL that early in his development is how he'll fare against seasoned NHL professionals. While RNH was able to play his game at the NHL level, he wasn't as physically prepared to face NHL competition as Landeskog was. Not only did Landeskog withstand injury, he was a well-prepared physical force himself finishing the season playing all 82 games of the campaign and ranking #13 in hits, 29th in BkS and 26th in TkA among forwards leaguewide.
Staying healthy as well as playing an incredible(and physical) two-way game are a big part of being a professional NHL player. Landeskog exhibited both of these attributes throughout the entire 11/12 season, which is why he'll be awarded with the Calder Trophy.
This post shows how little you really know about RNH. "Landeskog withstood the dangers of freak accidents and ice ruts, therefore should automatically get the calder"
This may be the case, but does it change the fact that he missed 20 crucial games this season? That amount ends up being about a quarter of the NHL season, and the Edmonton Oilers finished 29th overall because of it. I don't know who to blame if a player injures themselves in a "freak accident" -- is it so out of the question we simply blame RNH?
You heard it here first folks. Even if watching from the PB, the losses are your fault.
The Calder when won by a forward is decided by points and/or ppg every time
RNH leads one of those categories; Lando Calrissian leads neither.
This is the stuppidest argument i have ever heard its like nobody here even watches hockey when a rookie defencemen gets 78 points and drags his team into the playoffs he gets the calder, i cant be the only one to mention karlsson. Right mike milbury
I say give it to RNH. Oiler fans need something to be happy about. I can see them needing a top 2 pick for at least another couple years before their team is any good. Especially considering theyll pick another forward this year and continue to neglect their defense entirely
I say give it to RNH. Oiler fans need something to be happy about. I can see them needing a top 2 pick for at least another couple years before their team is any good. Especially considering theyll pick another forward this year and continue to neglect their defense entirely
Just because people keep posting it, doesn't make it true. Anyone that follows more than the top 5 picks of the draft knows that Edmonton's defensive prospects would be in the top third to quarter of the league.
Its going to be especially funny when they draft Grigorenko this year instead of Dumba, then proceed to finish in the bottom 3 again next season.
Then, in a few years when they can't afford at least one of RNH, Eberle, Hall, Grigor and whatever forward they take with a top 3 pick next year, and lose one of them to an offer sheet it will be icing on the cake.
I'm kind of kidding but at the same time, I could see it happening
Just because people keep posting it, doesn't make it true. Anyone that follows more than the top 5 picks of the draft knows that Edmonton's defensive prospects would be in the top third to quarter of the league.
Yup but I thought everyone was an expert on the Edmonton Oilers...
You heard it here first folks. Even if watching from the PB, the losses are your fault.
The Calder when won by a forward is decided by points and/or ppg every time
RNH leads one of those categories; Lando Calrissian leads neither.
When's the last time a rookie forward came in and played the kind of game Landeskog does?
I don't see why it is so ridiculous that a lot of people are looking beyond point production. It's been known for quite a long time that that's not all hockey is about.
Its going to be especially funny when they draft Grigorenko this year instead of Dumba, then proceed to finish in the bottom 3 again next season.
Then, in a few years when they can't afford at least one of RNH, Eberle, Hall, Grigor and whatever forward they take with a top 3 pick next year, and lose one of them to an offer sheet it will be icing on the cake.
I'm kind of kidding but at the same time, I could see it happening
You should do a bit more research. Oilers won't have a problem signing all four.
Also, not sure RNH's injury was due to his slight frame. Freak accidents happen. Ask Havlat who injured himself jumping over the board for a line change.
Honestly, I just want to see Adam Henrique get a nomination, he won't win clearly, but it'd be nice to get a nomination. I might flip a lid if Matt Read gets one before him (not that he doesn't deserve it, i'm just biased ).
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