Does he not become a UFA by June 1st? Just can't sign until July 1st?
My understanding is if he declares that he's leaving college he'll become a UFA in June or whatever, but if he stays in college another year, he remains Ducks property.
All the talk about wanting to finish out the semester makes no sense to me. Why could,t he sign, not play, AND finish out the semester. There is no reason why he can't attend college and be signed. The only restriction I see is if you sign pro you can't play hockey for you college. It doesn't impact going to college.
The ony hope is that he wants to play another year of college hockey and not wanting to finish out the semester
right - this is what gives me little hope. I would think Murray and the ducks would be more than understanding of this - they would probably do his homework for him for the chance to just get him signed.
I will give you one very plausible reason as to why Justin Schultz has not signed with the Ducks.
Lets say Justin signed with the Ducks after his season was over. What happens if there is a lockout? Now Justin is stuck playing in the AHL and he can't finish his senior year.
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However, there may not be a marketplace. The seven-year collective bargaining agreement between the NHL and its players’ union expires Sept. 15 and some agents are telling their clients to prepare for the worst: A repeat of 2004-05 when the players were locked out by the 30 club owners.
“They really don’t know what’s going on yet,” Schultz said. “That’s kind of why I’m waiting. Finish school and let things settle down a bit and let me step back from everything and just relax and figure things out with my family.”
I will give you one very plausible reason as to why Justin Schultz has not signed with the Ducks.
Lets say Justin signed with the Ducks after his season was over. What happens if there is a lockout? Now Justin is stuck playing in the AHL and he can't finish his senior year.
Thanks god I'm not the only person who thinks that's the reason for his behaviour. I fully believe that he will play his senior year before he would go through the AHL. If he is so smart like people say that's the right move. And for that reason, as long as he don't sign with an other team he is still my fav. prospect here
I hope that's the reason for his delay, but I don't think it is. IMO those comments about wanting to sit back and decide with his family are pertaining to FA. Hope I'm way off though.
If he wanted to sign with Anaheim... it would probably be after July 1. There's no benefit to sign before July 1. The one possible benefit was the playing now and using a year. Other than that he gives up money by signing between now and July 1st because he would be subject to a lower rookie max.
Same goes with if he goes back for his senior season. The only sign-with-Anaheim choices are sign during the regular season to get the contract started or wait until UFA period (in this case I think it's Aug 15?). Because if he signs while Anaheim holds his rights he's stuck with the 2008 entry level ELC max, but if he hits UFA he gets the ELC max of the most recent draft.
Justin is quiet to begin with. Because of that fact, he keeps his cards pretty close to his chest. The fact that he hasn’t signed indicates that he’s probably not going to sign with Anaheim. I guess if he was going to go he would’ve gone. I think that what he’s doing is he’s using that rule that he can become a free agent. I think he’s going to play that card — that’s my own thought process based on the fact that he didn’t sign right away.
It really doesn't offer anything new, and I appreciated the man to use his words as carefully as he did. He's obviously saying what we all know is the most reasonable guess at this point. But we're really not any further than before this, and most likely won't be for a while.
It really doesn't offer anything new, and I appreciated the man to use his words as carefully as he did. He's obviously saying what we all know is the most reasonable guess at this point. But we're really not any further than before this, and most likely won't be for a while.
Well, I really don't like those comments from Eaves. So far the strongest indication for his depature. Well I feel that I start to get angry again over him. I've been admirer for the last 3 years and all for nothing. When you read the Eaves comments on him it hurts even more. Still, as long as he does not say he leaves or signs somewhere else I still hope to see him in a Ducks jersey.
Man if this dude doesn't man up and do what he says he was gonna do, he can get bent. Life will go on, and I will loudly boo him anytime he faces our team
I don't know, I get the sense that either his agent or whoever giving him advice is the one that sold him on the idea of going UFA as I am sure some sneaky **** is going on behind the scenes.
Hard to explain, but someone or an NHL team is doing pulling the strings or with great influence.
And NO, I don't think it's Leafs related. I just found it odd how he was linked to Oilers from MacKenzie. So after 3 years and all the sudden he wants to play in western Canada?
it is possible he wants to play for wisconsin again. the team did really well and if there is a lockout, he may just want to play for a college championship and finish school than play for what will be a piddly amount of cash in the ahl. (compared to what he will make in his first nhl year)
also may not have as much to do with playing near family as playing for your favorite childhood team.
Out of the comments I've read (and this is pure speculation on my part), he REALLY doesn't want to play in the AHL or europe if there is a lock out. Sounds like he LOVES college (who doesn't?) but would leave if he knows the NHL is in business next year.
If he doesn't declare either way (and doesn't break any NCAA violations) he doesn't become ineligible for school right?
I think there is a strong chance you see him NOT declare pro (and there for not become UFA?) and wait out the summer to sign with the Ducks or stay on for a senior year.
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I just want to clarify something:
Exactly how can this all play out? Obviously I know the final results is simply he will play for Anaheim or will go to another team, but I'm curious on deadline dates. For example, does he become a FA the day free agency begins? Does he have to declare for free agency? I don't know if he has to inform the league of his decision or not.
I ask this because of the possibility of wanting to return to college. Can this scenario occur:
He declares for free agency, waits until something with CBA is resolved, it does not get resolved, and he goes back to college. Can that happen?
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I just want to clarify something:
Exactly how can this all play out? Obviously I know the final results is simply he will play for Anaheim or will go to another team, but I'm curious on deadline dates. For example, does he become a FA the day free agency begins? Does he have to declare for free agency? I don't know if he has to inform the league of his decision or not.
I ask this because of the possibility of wanting to return to college. Can this scenario occur:
He declares for free agency, waits until something with CBA is resolved, it does not get resolved, and he goes back to college. Can that happen?
to my knowledge:
June 1- he can "talk" with teams....i would guess if this is going on there will be solid reports about it.
July 1-officially a UFA (if he declares he is leaving school) so before this happens you would hear reports that he has "declared he is leaving school"...
now any other "dates" are really non-important because at ANY point (if he does return to UW) he can just declare he is leaving school....now, as far as the cut off for "this season/offseason" i believe its opening day of the 2012-2013 season (where this process would start over and the ducks would maintain his rights untill july 1st 2013)...could be wrong about the date of that last part though
June 1- he can "talk" with teams....i would guess if this is going on there will be solid reports about it.
July 1-officially a UFA (if he declares he is leaving school) so before this happens you would hear reports that he has "declared he is leaving school"...
now any other "dates" are really non-important because at ANY point (if he does return to UW) he can just declare he is leaving school....now, as far as the cut off for "this season/offseason" i believe its opening day of the 2012-2013 season (where this process would start over and the ducks would maintain his rights untill july 1st 2013)...could be wrong about the date of that last part though
That's where there's confusion. In the CBA, all it says is that if he says he leaves school early, we have his rights until June 1st 2012. Can be interpreted in a couple ways from there.
That's where there's confusion. In the CBA, all it says is that if he says he leaves school early, we have his rights until June 1st 2012. Can be interpreted in a couple ways from there.
yea, as in Im pretty sure he would have to declare he's leaving school in order for other teams to talk to him. He is Ducks' property as long as he's a college player after all, right?
if hes worried about a lockout, then he certainly will wait for a new CBA no? if so who wants to guess this loophole is closed? i ain't buying it....he should just be honest with his intentions
if hes worried about a lockout, then he certainly will wait for a new CBA no? if so who wants to guess this loophole is closed? i ain't buying it....he should just be honest with his intentions
However, there may not be a marketplace. The seven-year collective bargaining agreement between the NHL and its players’ union expires Sept. 15 and some agents are telling their clients to prepare for the worst: A repeat of 2004-05 when the players were locked out by the 30 club owners.
“They really don’t know what’s going on yet,” Schultz said. “That’s kind of why I’m waiting. Finish school and let things settle down a bit and let me step back from everything and just relax and figure things out with my family.”
However, there may not be a marketplace. The seven-year collective bargaining agreement between the NHL and its players’ union expires Sept. 15 and some agents are telling their clients to prepare for the worst: A repeat of 2004-05 when the players were locked out by the 30 club owners.
“They really don’t know what’s going on yet,” Schultz said. “That’s kind of why I’m waiting. Finish school and let things settle down a bit and let me step back from everything and just relax and figure things out with my family.”
So yeah he is worried about a lockout and wants to talk about his situation with his family. Pretty much his intentions as of now yes?
Seems that way doesnt it. This is why I have kept saying things arent so black and white (Like Chuck Schwartz keeps implying). There are variables here that arent in the norm.
Yes, and after he does ONLY the Dcks can talk to him for 30 days. Any contact prior to that is tampering.
So this means that if he waits until the CBA is addressed, which could very well be September, before declaring for free agency, the ducks would be the only ones allowed to talk to him until October? This is with the assumption that he declares for FA after CBA is addressed.
I'm starting to think this kid is shooting for true UFA status. Maybe some loophole where without a CBA nobody may own his rights and no CBA means no dictated ELCs. Therefore, it would potentially make him like an NHL free agent..free to sign with the highest bidder. That kind of loophole wouldn't mean much or apply to hardly any other college player but could be a perfect storm for him.
