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LW John Gaudreau - Boston College, HE (2011, 104th overall, Calgary)

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04-08-2012, 01:58 PM
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I wont be sold on the kid until he skates in between a defenders legs to score.

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04-08-2012, 03:28 PM
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You guys are getting another great undersized forward in Robert Pollasello. Gaudreau looks fantastic. Nice to see him thriving.

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He doesn't look as noticeable small out there as he used to. It used to be "that really small kid out there has a ton of skill." now watching him this year, he's blending in as far as size with the rest of the players. He's definitely grown over the last year.

That being said, genetics aren't on his side. He's going to play most of his life at 5'8" 165 lbs. Not big, but there's a handful of successful pros that have played at that size.

Also, I can't see him playing more then 2 years in college. Next year, barring injury, he will be on the US WJC team, and likely rip up Hockey East. With that progression, he should be an AHL player at 20-21.
His brother is committed to BC for the 2014 year. I have no doubt Johnny will be around to play with him for at least one year.

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04-09-2012, 06:00 AM
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His brother is committed to BC for the 2014 year. I have no doubt Johnny will be around to play with him for at least one year.
That's good news for the Flames to be honest, with the lighter college sked Johnny will be able to get more gym time in and work on his core strength to be more effective as a pro

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04-09-2012, 12:12 PM
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That's good news for the Flames to be honest, with the lighter college sked Johnny will be able to get more gym time in and work on his core strength to be more effective as a pro
Don't let anyone fool you either, Nathan Gerbe looked almost exactly the same way that Johnny Gaudreau does now.

He is "built like a tank now" because of the amount of off ice work he was able to do at BC.

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Don't let anyone fool you either, Nathan Gerbe looked almost exactly the same way that Johnny Gaudreau does now.

He is "built like a tank now" because of the amount of off ice work he was able to do at BC.
Yeah he is a good comparable due to size and the fact it is the same college program.

But I really (and I mean alot) like the fact Gaudreau's freshman season saw him put up a point per game and finish only 1 point behind Kreider for the team lead. Finishing 2nd in team scoring never happened with Gerbe until his sophomore season.

I also wonder how many point per game freshmen there have been in the past decade or so, I imagine its a short list.

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04-09-2012, 04:48 PM
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Yeah he is a good comparable due to size and the fact it is the same college program.

But I really (and I mean alot) like the fact Gaudreau's freshman season saw him put up a point per game and finish only 1 point behind Kreider for the team lead. Finishing 2nd in team scoring never happened with Gerbe until his sophomore season.

I also wonder how many point per game freshmen there have been in the past decade or so, I imagine its a short list.
it never happened until literally the next year...?

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04-09-2012, 06:24 PM
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Yeah he is a good comparable due to size and the fact it is the same college program.

But I really (and I mean alot) like the fact Gaudreau's freshman season saw him put up a point per game and finish only 1 point behind Kreider for the team lead. Finishing 2nd in team scoring never happened with Gerbe until his sophomore season.

I also wonder how many point per game freshmen there have been in the past decade or so, I imagine its a short list.
more than you'd think

this year

Points Per Game: GP G- A- P P/GM
28 Kyle Rau (FLA) Minnesota FR F 40 18-25-43 1.07
41 Scott Wilson (PIT) UMass Lowell FR F 37 16-22-38 1.03
46 Johnny Gaudreau (CGY) Boston College FR F 44 21-23-44 1.00
Matthew Peca (TBL) Quinnipiac FR F 39 8-31-39 1.00

last year

Points Per Game: GP G- A- P P/GM
22 T. J. Tynan Notre Dame FR F 44 23-31-54 1.23
32 Jason Zucker (MIN) Denver FR F 40 23-22-45 1.12
45 Andrew Calof Princeton FR F 32 9-24-33 1.03
49 Greg Carey St. Lawrence FR F 40 23-17-40 1.00

two years ago

Points Per Game: GP G- A- P P/GM
7 Stephane Da Costa Merrimack FR F 34 16-29-45 1.32
43 Brandon Pirri (CHI) Rensselaer FR F 39 11-32-43 1.10
47 Andy Taranto Alaska FR RW 39 18-24-42 1.08
64 Eric Delong Sacred Heart FR F 35 15-20-35 1.00
Andrew Miller Yale FR F 34 5-29-34 1.00



it does dispell the fantasy that was portrayed here in excess though, that BC & York do not play Freshman

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All of those freshmen (except for Tynan, Zucker, and Pirri) were a year, two years, or three years older than Gaudreau when they posted PPG numbers.

And those three guys are pretty good company for Gaudreau to be keeping so I'm happy with his progress so far.

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All of those freshmen (except for Tynan, Zucker, and Pirri) were a year, two years, or three years older than Gaudreau when they posted PPG numbers.

And those three guys are pretty good company for Gaudreau to be keeping so I'm happy with his progress so far.
One of the reasons the Flames took Gaudreau was that he was pretty much as young as he could be in his draft year and had more room to grow (literally and figuratively) than most players.

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All of those freshmen (except for Tynan, Zucker, and Pirri) were a year, two years, or three years older than Gaudreau when they posted PPG numbers.

And those three guys are pretty good company for Gaudreau to be keeping so I'm happy with his progress so far.
You also have to take into account that a guy like Scott Wilson was playing on a team like Mass-Lowell who finished with 5 wins last year and not a powerhouse team like BC.

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You also have to take into account that a guy like Scott Wilson was playing on a team like Mass-Lowell who finished with 5 wins last year and not a powerhouse team like BC.
You could say that, but it's all about ones perspective.

On the same token you could argue that Gaudreau is the most offensively skilled player on that "powerhouse" BC team, and for that matter the most skilled freshmen in the country.

Scott Wilson is 16months older then John Gaudreau, and was probably given more of an opportunity to produce offensive results based on the lesser depth on UMass-Lowell. I say "probably" because quite frankly i am not all that familiar with their program, I could certainly be wrong, but that's the conclusion I personally draw from the circumstances.

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One of the reasons the Flames took Gaudreau was that he was pretty much as young as he could be in his draft year and had more room to grow (literally and figuratively) than most players.

not really. I dont think it makes sense for a team to take a player because he is 4 months younger then his draft class. They took him because he was widely known as being one of the most pure, talent players in the '11 draft, but dropped due to his size

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not really. I dont think it makes sense for a team to take a player because he is 4 months younger then his draft class. They took him because he was widely known as being one of the most pure, talent players in the '11 draft, but dropped due to his size
I recall Feaster bringing his age into account after drafting him. So it does play into it

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not really. I dont think it makes sense for a team to take a player because he is 4 months younger then his draft class. They took him because he was widely known as being one of the most pure, talent players in the '11 draft, but dropped due to his size
Skill was part of it obviously, but the Flames used a formula that took age into account. They were specifically looking for highly skilled players who were right on the border of their draft year.

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You could say that, but it's all about ones perspective.

On the same token you could argue that Gaudreau is the most offensively skilled player on that "powerhouse" BC team, and for that matter the most skilled freshmen in the country.

Scott Wilson is 16months older then John Gaudreau, and was probably given more of an opportunity to produce offensive results based on the lesser depth on UMass-Lowell. I say "probably" because quite frankly i am not all that familiar with their program, I could certainly be wrong, but that's the conclusion I personally draw from the circumstances.
There is definitely a number of factors at play so to dismiss any of the guys who scored at a PPG as rookies because of age (or any other one factor) is naive. Either way what Gaudreau and the others have done is very impressive.

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Do the flames have another gem prospect in Johnny Gaudreau?

Hes been impressing the hockey world in the nationals and getting a lot of spotlight. Hes the fkames 4th rd pick last year

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For everyone outside of calgary too lazy to look this guy up on google or hockeydb:

He is a very small forward but with a very tremendous skillset, many fans in Calgary compare him to Theo Fleury. His recent update on his build is 5'7 and 155 lbs. He has always been passed over due to his small size but this season many people noticed his season and play with Boston College. He's caught the attention of nearly every flames fan, so much that there's actually a legitimate debate on whether he or Baertschi is our number one prospect.

And i thought you said you weren't a flames fan anymore? Yet I always see you making threads about them..

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way too small and plays against lesser competition then a player coming up through the chl would.

i doubt he (or jankowski) for that matter plays more than 200 NHL games.

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I know Bartschi is , dont cry.

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way too small and plays against lesser competition then a player coming up through the chl would.

i doubt he (or jankowski) for that matter plays more than 200 NHL games.
That is extremely debatable.

I doubt you have the slightest amount of knowledge on either prospect, or enough to make an informed assessment.

By the way Banner, Johnny was just listed at 5'8 by the Flames.

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No doubt that he is extremely skilled, only question is his size. The kid was definitely able to play as a freshman in the NCAA though so I guess we will see.

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nope... but they have a diamond in baertschi


edit: HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! the text in white made me LOL

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way too small and plays against lesser competition then a player coming up through the chl would.

i doubt he (or jankowski) for that matter plays more than 200 NHL games.
Do you mean the same competition that Chris Kreider (45points) played against at Boston college.

Gaudreau, who is 2&1/2 years younger, had 44 points btw.

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I think this year at BC will be more telling of his potential, now that Kreider is gone, he'll have to carry the mail. Hopefully he has a great tourney at the WJC (if he makes it )

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