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60 goals in 50 games

anyone know outside of gretzky if its ever been achieved.

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Well, Mario had 69 in 60 games in '93 and 85 in 76 games in '89. Those are prolly your best places to start the search.

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Well, Mario had 69 in 60 games in '93
He had 38 goals by the 50th game mark.

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and 85 in 76 games in '89. Those are prolly your best places to start the search.
He had 54 goals by the 50th game mark.

Or is this Neely Rules? Then it would be 55 by 50 in 89 (but had 59 in the last 50 games) and 53 by 50 in 93 (but had 55 in the last 50 games.)


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He had 38 goals by the 50th game mark.
31 goals in 10 games?!

That's... ridiculous. Honestly, had he started a season like that, maybe he could have beaten Gretzky's 50 in 39.

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anyone know outside of gretzky if its ever been achieved.
No. Gretzky holds the NHL record for most goals, 50 games from start of season. He had 61 (which he actually did twice).

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He had 38 goals by the 50th game mark.



He had 54 goals by the 50th game mark.

Or is this Neely Rules? Then it would be 55 by 50 in 89 (but had 59 in the last 50 games) and 53 by 50 in 93 (but had 55 in the last 50 games.)
http://www.hockey-reference.com/play.../gamelog/1993/

Last 10 he had 16 goals giving him 53 through 50.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play.../gamelog/1989/

Last 26 he had 30 goals giving him 55 through 50.

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31 goals in 10 games?!

That's... ridiculous. Honestly, had he started a season like that, maybe he could have beaten Gretzky's 50 in 39.
That's with Richard Rules. Not by Neely Rules.

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To elaborate, Neely rules is 50 goals by his 50th game played.
Most records go by your teams amount of games.

So when it was said that Mario had 38 goals by the 50 game mark, that's by the Pens 50th game not Mario's.

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Ya, those records go by number of games the teams played not the player. Near misses hitting 60 in 50 are beyond non-existent, guys who hit 50 in 50 you can count on 2 hands and still have digits left over.

Richard
Bossy
Gretzky
Kurri
Brett Hull
Mogilny
Neely
Lemieux

with some close calls in Bobby Hull, Charlie Simmer & Bernie Nichols; and then theres Anders Hedberg (along with Hull again) and the WHA.

If we base our judgements on statistics and projections, how about Joe Malone?. 44G's in 20G's in 1917-18.

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Ya, those records go by number of games the teams played not the player. Near misses hitting 60 in 50 are beyond non-existent, guys who hit 50 in 50 you can count on 2 hands and still have digits left over.

Richard
Bossy
Gretzky
Kurri
Brett Hull
Mogilny
Neely
Lemieux

with some close calls in Bobby Hull, Charlie Simmer & Bernie Nichols; and then theres Anders Hedberg (along with Hull again) and the WHA.

If we base our judgements on statistics and projections, how about Joe Malone?. 44G's in 20G's in 1917-18.
No need to project, just use other seasons. The NHL's first four seasons remain the 4 highest scoring seasons in NHL history, with goals per game peaking at 9.58 TG/G in 1920.

As a result it seems it was fairly common to hit 61 in 50 during the NHL's first five seasons when it was a 3-4 team league.

Joe Malone: 90 in 52 games from 1918 to 20 (Neely 50, he missed much of 1919)
Newsy Lalonde: 70 in 47 games 20 to 21
Joe Malone: 67 in 44 games from 20-21
Babe Dye: 66 in 48 games from 21 to 22
Cy Denneny: 61 in 46 games from 20 to 21

Each of these samples includes a season from 1920 in the sample, except for Babe Dye's 66 in 48 from 1920-21 (8.46 TG/G) to 1921-22 (7.92 TG/G).

Malone did hit 61 in 50, even if he didn't have the same kind of lead that Richard, Gretzky, Hull and Hull had over their peers in their best years.

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