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04-10-2012, 11:23 AM
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Why must we play in such a ****hole. I cant even imagine a parade in Newark without someone dying
From Newark Penn to along Mulberry Street in either direction it's more than fine, in fact I think it's a fun area with the bars and places to hang out on game nights.

Booker is acting like a 3-yr old on a temper tantrum.

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How dare Mr. Vanderbeek allow murders to rise 70% since 2010, how dare he allow crime to rise 20%, how dare he allow arrests to drop 20%.

Booker is doing what every good mayor should, tweet every 30 seconds about poetry.

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I don't want to paint it as a completely rosy picture going to the Rock because I do know someone personally who had a situation happen in the general area, but this is just childish.

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ditto...i'm getting tired of the sideshow with vanderbeek. not blaming everything on him in this situation,booker is a jerk, but really annoyed with JVB..i think he needs to move on from this team.

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Thinking about this, exactly how much police have you seen around the arena so far this season anyway? I have been to plenty of games this year and have maybe seen 2 or 3 cops.

The area is safe anyway, just dont go west on Broad St and your fine.

All Booker does it tweet all day, its like a city being run by a 14 year old girl.
It depends on the game/night but overall I have seen a lot less police this season anyway.

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JVB isn't going anywhere, as per his message last Saturday at the STH event.

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Newark did lay off a bunch of officers not long ago. There are budget concerns in that regard. This is a decision that, when viewed through that lens, shouldn't be all that surprising.

The stadium was overstaffed police wise anyway. It's in a safer, clean area, and herd mentality is protection in its own way.

This decision to me reeks more of bad timing than malice, but it's hard to say with all the mess surrounding this issue.

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Let's win the Cup in Newark first before worrying about the parade.

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And FWIW, this is an INCREDIBLY STUPID move politically by Booker (who I've never regarded as a genius to begin with).

God forbid a patron of any event at The Rock gets harmed or worse, killed in some freak attack, Booker's toast.
The bolded is, unfortunately, very true.

And the former point is a good one. He's not a genius politician; Sharpe James was more so. Booker's fault is that he's a little too honest and idealistic. In a place like Newark, that's incredibly ineffective.

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Newark did lay off a bunch of officers not long ago. There are budget concerns in that regard. This is a decision that, when viewed through that lens, shouldn't be all that surprising.

The stadium was overstaffed police wise anyway. It's in a safer, clean area, and herd mentality is protection in its own way.

This decision to me reeks more of bad timing than malice, but it's hard to say with all the mess surrounding this issue.
Also very true.

Again, I did not notice much police anyway. My usual routine before games was walk to the PNC ATM attached to the Arena, down Mulberry street and towards Hells Kitchen. I remember seeing maybe 1 or 2 cops.

I also tend to arrive to pregame a bit early than others.

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It depends on the game/night but overall I have seen a lot less police this season anyway.
Especially since they added a police tower on Broad and Market and a mobile command unit on Broad and Branford with foot/horse patrols on that corridor. The few times I've been down there this season they still had that stupid mobile headquarters on Mulberry and some cops not doing anything. They probably withdrew the cops well before the announcement was made.

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Also, if we manage the cup this year, this has all the makings of a solid MSG docudrama in a few years. If that is any consolation to anybody. It'll air in between episodes of renovating the Garden, which must be enthralling, and I imagine the same 15-20 people who watch that will watch this as well.

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Let's win the Cup in Newark first before worrying about the parade.
Not disagreeing with you, but TG was the one who tweeted it. But if we can hold a parade in the CAA when McMullen was at war with the NJSEA, we can have one in Newark while Booker whines that we're not paying to clean the streets.

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Also I maintain that the most danger I've ever felt going to a game is lighting a cigarette after I walk out of Newark Penn, because at least 5 or 6 people immediately asked me for one. Like seagulls fighting over a french fry at the beach.

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The bolded is, unfortunately, very true.

And the former point is a good one. He's not a genius politician; Sharpe James was more so. Booker's fault is that he's a little too honest and idealistic. In a place like Newark, that's incredibly ineffective.
What he's trying to do politically is incredibly obvious.

Booker is trying to tap into his parties recent political narrative with an intentional attack on "the 1%" and this nouveau 2012 election year attempt to demonize "the evil rich", of which, JVDB is the target.

So Booker intentionally, AND VERY PUBLICLY attacks "the evil rich guy".

Those of the people in this thread that are "shocked" and think it's "dumb" to do this "in public" have missed that point entirely.

This is EXACTLY what Booker intentioned to do - he wants to come off as defending the helpless poor of Newark against the big, bad, powerful "Wall Street" guy, and these extremely public comments were not a passionate and frustrated slip of the tongue, but a quite intentional politically calculated attempt to tap into the Democrat's 2012 political narrative against the rich.

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Also I maintain that the most danger I've ever felt going to a game is lighting a cigarette after I walk out of Newark Penn, because at least 5 or 6 people immediately asked me for one. Like seagulls fighting over a french fry at the beach.
God yes.

Like lambs to the slaughter.

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God yes.

Like lambs to the slaughter.
Seriously. And that's not a phenomenon unique to Newark Penn at all. Every major urban transportation hub has those types. New York Penn is worse actually. Union Station in DC has the most polite people about it, I've noticed.

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I remember a guy was struck by a car and killed on Paterson Plank Road after a Devils game about 10 years ago in the Meadowlands.
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Seriously. And that's not a phenomenon unique to Newark Penn at all. Every major urban transportation hub has those types. New York Penn is worse actually. Union Station in DC has the most polite people about it, I've noticed.
I had to lay over in Baltimore once on my way to DC, decided to go outside for a smoke.

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I had to lay over in Baltimore once on my way to DC, decided to go outside for a smoke.

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I attended school near Baltimore and hung in Fells Point many a night.
More homeless per capita (and angry compared to the laid back Newark or NYC) than any other city I have frequented along the East Coast.

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I attended school near Baltimore and hung in Fells Point many a night.
More homeless per capita (and angry compared to the laid back Newark or NYC) than any other city I have frequented along the East Coast.
As did I, and there were certainly many areas to avoid in that city. However, the Harbor can be relatively nice at times and closer to Towson. Loyola's area is like a bubble compared to the surrounding areas.

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What he's trying to do politically is incredibly obvious.

Booker is trying to tap into his parties recent political narrative with an intentional attack on "the 1%" and this nouveau 2012 election year attempt to demonize "the evil rich", of which, JVDB is the target.

So Booker intentionally, AND VERY PUBLICLY attacks "the evil rich guy".

Those of the people in this thread that are "shocked" and think it's "dumb" to do this "in public" have missed that point entirely.

This is EXACTLY what Booker intentioned to do - he wants to come off as defending the helpless poor of Newark against the big, bad, powerful "Wall Street" guy, and these extremely public comments were not a passionate and frustrated slip of the tongue, but a quite intentional politically calculated attempt to tap into the Democrat's 2012 political narrative against the rich.
I don't think it's an overtly Democrat strategy to be that blunt though. Especially since Obama is so heavily "Wall Street" in his policy decisions. The Democratic strategy is more geared towards "evening up the playing field" (they claim) - something long overdue since the absolute failure of Reaganomics, which turned us from a creditor nation to a debtor nation to begin with, despite the best efforts of Bush Sr. to reverse it. But that's me whining more than anything.

They're trying very hard NOT to frame it as The Democrats vs. the Rich -- just as the Republicans are trying very hard to not frame it as Them Vs. The Middle Class, Women, etc. They're probably pretty miffed that Booker went that outlandish about it. New Jersey Democrats are a different animal though, so who knows. They soured me on the whole party. I can't vote for either group of imbeciles anymore. I just write myself in for president and call it a day.

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As did I, and there were certainly many areas to avoid in that city. However, the Harbor can be relatively nice at times and closer to Towson. Loyola's area is like a bubble compared to the surrounding areas.
At times yeah. There's crime there too. There were summer robberies that headlined the local news in recent years.

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