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04-10-2012, 11:11 AM
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Mmmm.... are you sure? This is what I have saved for Craig Button:

1. RYAN NUGENT-HOPKINS C 6'0 170 L Apr. 12/93 Red Deer WHL
2. JONATHAN HUBERDEAU C 6'1 168 L June 4/93 Saint John QMJHL
3. GABRIEL LANDESKOG LW 6'0 207 L Nov. 23/92 Kitchener OHL
4. RYAN MURPHY D 5'10 176 R Mar. 31/93 Kitchener OHL
5. ADAM LARSSON D 6'3 200 R Nov. 12/92 Skelleftea SweE
6. MIKA ZIBANEJAD C 6'0 183 R Apr. 18/93 Djurgarden SJ18A
7. SEAN COUTURIER C 6'4 195 L Dec. 12/92 Drummondville QMJHL
8. NATHAN BEAULIEU D 6'1 176 L Dec. 5/92 Saint John QMJHL
9. RYAN STROME C 6'0 183 R July 11/93 Niagara OHL
10. JAMIESON OLEKSIAK D 6'7 244 L Dec. 21/92 Northeastern H.E,
11. DOUGIE HAMILTON D 6'4 193 R Jun. 17/93 Niagara OHL
12. SVEN BARTSCHI LW 5'11 175 L Oct. 5/92 Portland WHL
13. MATTHEW PUEMPEL LW 6'0 198 L Jan. 24/93 Peterborough OHL
14. MARK SCHEIFELE C 6'2 177 R Mar. 15/93 Barrie OHL
15. JONAS BRODIN D 6'1 165 L July 12/93 Farjestad Sweden
16. PHILLIP DANAULT LW 6'0 178 L Feb. 24/93 Victoriaville QMJHL
17. JOEL ARMIA RW 6'3 191 R May 31/93 Assat FinE
18. NIKITA KUCHEROV W 5'10 163 R June 17/93 CSKA 2 Russia-Jr.
19. BRANDON SAAD LW 6'1 208 L Oct. 27/92 Saginaw OHL
20. ZACK PHILLIPS C 6'1 181 R Oct. 28/92 Saint John QMJHL
21. TOMAS JURCO RW 6'2 193 L Dec. 28/92 Saint John QMJHL
22. OSCAR KLEFBLOM C 6'3 200 D July 20/93 Farjestad Sweden
23. VLADISLAV NAMESTNIKOV F 5'11 170 L Nov. 22/92 London OHL
24. TY RATTIE LW 5'11 170 R Feb. 5/93 Portland WHL
25. JOSEPH MORROW D 6'0 196 L Dec. 9/92 Portland WHL
26. CONNOR MURPHY D 6'2 185 R Mar. 26/93 USA U-18 USHL
27. NICKLAS JENSEN F 6'2 188 L Mar. 6/93 Oshawa OHL
28. JOHN GIBSON G 6'2 205 L Jul. 14/93 USA U-18 WHL
29. RICKARD RAKELL RW 6'0 191 R May 5/93 Plymouth OHL
30. JONATHAN MILLER C 6'2 205 L Mar. 14/93 USA U-18 USHL
Did some googling and this is in fact Button's pre-draft list from June 8, 2011.

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04-10-2012, 11:22 AM
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Also: 2nd overall has never won the draft lottery. So it's about time for it to happen.
Wow!

If we didn't already reap two first overalls from the hockey God (Bettman?) this would seem more likely.

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04-10-2012, 11:24 AM
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I wonder if hall and yakupov could play on the same line. They both love taking the puck on the rush. Anyone else think this could cause trouble. Of course they don't have to be on the same line.

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04-10-2012, 11:29 AM
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Ultimately these list dont mean **** all, theres gonna be 10 different lists all different order. No one knows what Stu and co. are thinking and their decision won't be made until probably the draft.
All I know is I knew they would draft Hall or Seguin, and RNH over everyone early on, and I have a feeling they're leaning towards Grigs, and i've heard they're really high on him, these playoffs though will be a big deciding factor.
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YAK,Grigs,Reilly, and Murray, then the rest.

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04-10-2012, 11:31 AM
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If the Oilers won the 1st overall pick I would deal it like the Nords did for Lindros and get a massive package in return. That lead to the Nords/Avalanche domination for a number of years.

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If the Oilers won the 1st overall pick I would deal it like the Nords did for Lindros and get a massive package in return. That lead to the Nords/Avalanche domination for a number of years.
Yakupov is not in the class of the top tier #1's overall.

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If the Oilers won the 1st overall pick I would deal it like the Nords did for Lindros and get a massive package in return. That lead to the Nords/Avalanche domination for a number of years.
Gotta agree: Yakupov, from the interview on Oilers site, is a pretty assertive kid, if he gives us or Columbus the impression that he would be unhappy to be drafted to us, then we need to go the Nords route.

Yeah, he probably won't get as high a package as Lindros type player but still.


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Hopefully the Oilers or CLB will win the lottery.. I'm happy as long as we can remain in the top 2. No draft lottery parties this year? LOL

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Ryan Murray ranked #2 in final NHL Central Scouting Report

With this information, do we take him if we pick 2nd after this afternoon's draft lottery?

To me, it's a toss up. I want a big center so badly, too.

Discuss.

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If the Oilers won the 1st overall pick I would deal it like the Nords did for Lindros and get a massive package in return. That lead to the Nords/Avalanche domination for a number of years.
Lindros was considered a generational player at the time - best prospect since Mario. No way Yakupov goes for anything close. Teams wanting Yak will be trying to unload unwanted players. If we are lucky enough to land Yak be happy and enjoy having two scoring lines for the first time since the early 90s

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In 5-7 yrs that Murray kid may really turn into something. With him (playing his 8-12 mins a night) on the Oilers blueline next season, we should be in for a carbon copy of what happened this year.

What's next yrs slogan btw ?

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In 5-7 yrs that Murray kid may really turn into something. With him (playing his 8-12 mins a night) on the Oilers blueline next season, we should be in for a carbon copy of what happened this year.

What's next yrs slogan btw ?
flan for monahan?


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04-10-2012, 11:58 AM
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You mean like how St. John is resting Coyle and Phillips?

I dont think so.
We will see. Obviously the sea dogs are a crazy deep team compared to the Remparts, perhaps you are suggesting they only let their 3rd and 4th liners play or that both prospects you mentioned are more highly regarded than Huberdeau? Not sure, but reardless, I just wanted to provide context. I believe you were also the one pointin at Grigorbeki's PP production before that, which is somewhat very close to BS we heard about RNH before last year's draft. Point is, if you put your top dog out there on the PP and he bumps you to a 4+ goal lead, you might give him some leeway and let other players feast on a demoralized opposition.

My point was just to provide context for everyone to get an alternate reason why Griogorenko happens not to lead his team in points. Whether you adhere to it or not is another issue. I guess we will see further down the line.

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Lindros was considered a generational player at the time - best prospect since Mario. No way Yakupov goes for anything close. Teams wanting Yak will be trying to unload unwanted players. If we are lucky enough to land Yak be happy and enjoy having two scoring lines for the first time since the early 90s
that and no one expected forsberg to be elite, he was one player that injuries ruined what could have been a hall of famer type career. i still remember him missing an entire season then leading the playoffs in scoring for most of the playoffs, thats just unreal to me.....


anyway

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With this information, do we take him if we pick 2nd after this afternoon's draft lottery?

To me, it's a toss up. I want a big center so badly, too.

Discuss.
He's big but not overly physical. The ladies will tell you that size doesn't matter, it's how you use it. That is if you're not a smurf ><

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If the Oilers won the 1st overall pick I would deal it like the Nords did for Lindros and get a massive package in return. That lead to the Nords/Avalanche domination for a number of years.
the players in this draft dont have lindro hype

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In 5-7 yrs that Murray kid may really turn into something. With him (playing his 8-12 mins a night) on the Oilers blueline next season, we should be in for a carbon copy of what happened this year.

What's next yrs slogan btw ?
Screw MacKinnon, let's start winnin'

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If the Oilers are so lucky as to win the lottery tonight, I think it settles a lot of issues:

-A potential elite LW (Smyth's on the decline from there, Paajarvi may never reach that.)

-What to do with center (Nothing; Yakupov-Gagner-Hemsky is a dynamite second line.)

-What to do on defense (FA or trade. Drafting a stud just isn't the cards.)

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If the Oilers are so lucky as to win the lottery tonight, I think it settles a lot of issues:

-A potential elite LW (Smyth's on the decline from there, Paajarvi may never reach that.)

-What to do with center (Nothing; Yakupov-Gagner-Hemsky is a dynamite second line.)

-What to do on defense (FA or trade. Drafting a stud just isn't the cards.)
He's pretty much played at RW exclusively in the OHL and internationally.

I wouldn't call him a LW just yet.

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I hear there will be no draft party this year. Great move. Stop celebrating suckiness. That was a really stupid thing to do.

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If the Oilers are so lucky as to win the lottery tonight, I think it settles a lot of issues:

-A potential elite LW (Smyth's on the decline from there, Paajarvi may never reach that.)

-What to do with center (Nothing; Yakupov-Gagner-Hemsky is a dynamite second line.)

-What to do on defense (FA or trade. Drafting a stud just isn't the cards.)
Gotta go with Yakupov-Gagner-Eberle just to have the YEG line. Although, as was mentioned, Yakupov is a right winger.

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dont need a top 5 pick for those 2. Hopefully Tambo swings a deal with WSH if one of these 2 are around by COL's pick (#11).
You'd have to make the trade before the draft. If they get that far, the value of the pick becomes too high.

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The chances of us having a shot at Yakupov are too remote to talk about right now.

We could cross that bridge if/when it happens.
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Stauffer floated this idea a few week ago...would you guys do a Johansen for 2nd overall trade with CBJ?

I would
Maybe, i guess let stu make the call.

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Hey guys, when do you think they actually reveal the order? I know they do their usual build up and everything, so I'm thinking 6:20 ish?
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Oilers select Grigs even with the first. Yakupov would be nice but we have that in Hallsy already, and I don't see him meshing in with the team honestly. Grigs seems more humble and more of a team player and his skillset ala Thornton/Malkin doesn't grow on trees. You look at the Championship teams now they have the 1-2 elite center combo and I think with RNH-Grigs you have that for years to come.
We just need a competent GM and Coach
I'm not really loving the idea of getting Yakupov either but if hes that good you have to take him. Or work out some elaborate trade strategy.

You could move Hall to center.

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Grigorenko:


That is a really bad quote.

"I excel against soft teams"

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Tradin Gagner, Whitney and our 2nd rounder for "a fairly good pick" is a trade you only do if your goal is to build a bad hockey team.

You're overestimating youth and potential in the idea that any good prospect will simply replace established NHLers along with the dream that gambling with a draft pick will net you a better player. The reason this seems like a good idea is because it's funner to hope for the future success of a player than see the reality of what they turn into.

But hope and potential doesn't win hockey games.
Way too much to give up. I might consider moving either of those two, without the pick though.

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I wonder if hall and yakupov could play on the same line. They both love taking the puck on the rush. Anyone else think this could cause trouble. Of course they don't have to be on the same line.
I don't see it as a problem, and yeah they wouldn't necessarily be on the same line.

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I'm definitely less excited about this year's lottery compared to the previous two. I wanted so badly to win the lottery so we could get Hall and RNH. This year.. its almost like.. 'mehhhh.. if we win we win.. if not, no big deal'. For some reason, Yakupov is not a big draw for me as Hall/RNH were. But having said that, I'd probably still be jumping tonight if we win.

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If the Oilers won the 1st overall pick I would deal it like the Nords did for Lindros and get a massive package in return. That lead to the Nords/Avalanche domination for a number of years.
I agree, we wouldn't get the same kind of a return, but I'd trade down a spots or two and take Grigorenko/Galchenyuk and add whatever other solid asset(s) we could get.

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