Confirmed with Link: Flyers Extend Grossmann (Philly Inq. report: $14m over four years)

[JVR21]

Apparently he has a modified NTC. Why does every damn contract these days have a NTC?

[GKJ]

Originally Posted by JVR21

Apparently he has a modified NTC. Why does every damn contract these days have a NTC?

If things work out as they have so far, it won't matter.


But in reality, the no-move likely costs these players money, and protects the player from being traded to the Leafs.

[Norm MacDonald]

This scares me. The contract is a good price for how he's playing right now, but pure defensive D's rarely sustain their nice play on a consistent basis for years.

[ELab2]

Originally Posted by Norm MacDonald

This scares me. The contract is a good price for how he's playing right now, but pure defensive D's rarely sustain their nice play on a consistent basis for years.

I don't think that's true, you just don't hear a ton about the guys who do that. They get locked up, aren't paid too much, and don't get a lot of public recognition. Roman Polak for example.

The ones year hear about faltering either have a lot of hype (Luke Schenn) or for some reason got massively overpaid in situations where it was clear they weren't as good as it seemed (Komisarek)

[Larry44]

Originally Posted by GKJ

They're both strange. I think they're waiting for the other to sign a long-term deal.

I don't think it's strange, I think they are friends who want to play together, but neither wants to commit long term to an organization that isn't committed to building a team around them. It's going to be interesting.

Suter and Weber may say, 'well, we could make 7 and 8.5M per year respectively, but they've signed Rinne for 7x7. If Suter signs for $65M over 10 years, and Weber at $7.5M for 10, they could get the long-term stability they need and not break the bank. Good players are starting to realize that with the cap and revenue limitations, it's sometimes better to play on a good team for a little less than be Rick Nash.

[Larry44]

Originally Posted by Sawdalite

Good post, and I fully agree... But it would be hard for Carle to not want to test the waters. He is a more offensive D-man than Cobie and would demand more and especially in an open market situation -- right or wrongly -- If a bidding war of any proportion, even only two or three bidders, would be there in the D-man starved NHL, he could easily get more than that in IMO... But realistically, maybe $5M committed by the Flyers could do it for a levelheaded person as he comes off to be in his Tweets and action -- he appears to be an intelligent and caring person -- But, if the Flyers want a Suter or another top flight UFA, they cannot lay out $5M for Carle... and if they don't and they fail to get a Suter-ish UFA, they may be short one key D-man.

Personally I'd love to have Suter... but I wouldn't mind having Carle and a group of well rounded D-men working as a team.

Suter and Carle are in the same boat. Do you uproot your young families, in a city you love with a team and teammates you love, to eke an extra million/yr over a 7 year contract?

Let's say Suter might get $7M or $7.5M on the open UFA market, Carle might get $5.5M. But would playing with Jack Johnson and Wizniewski in Columbus be worth it if he could stay for 7 years at $6.5M in Nashville?? Really? Let's face it, these guys are already set for life, the next contract is the great- grandchilden's retirement fund at this point.

You talk to your wife, your agent, your parents, and you think, well, $6.5M to stay in Nashville and $4.8M to stay in Philly might really be the best option.

We'll see. Both guys have expressed a preference to stay put and both teams are stacked with top end talent and youth to compete for the next several years. Would Suter be happier in Montreal or Edmonton and Carle in Toronto or Winnipeg? I haven't done any real analysis of which teams have need+cap room+cash to spend, but the grass might not be greener.

[FlyersFanz]

Grossmann is a good fit for Philly, glad to see him signed.