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I think they will both have a similar impact but forward vs. D. If you need scoring, Saad is better and most of all more ready than what may be on the board offensively.
I'm sure Saad rose his stock some since last year, but I doubt it's that much. From the 2nd round to top 10 is a huge jump. Not knocking the kid. He's from Pittsburgh so I'm as big a fan of him as anyone. I actually got to see him in the preseason game against the Pens and he was highly impressive.
I'm sure Saad rose his stock some since last year, but I doubt it's that much. From the 2nd round to top 10 is a huge jump. Not knocking the kid. He's from Pittsburgh so I'm as big a fan of him as anyone. I actually got to see him in the preseason game against the Pens and he was highly impressive.
His stock hasn't just risen, it's skyrocketed.
- 44 GP, 34 G, 42 A, 76 PTS
- Highest PPG in the OHL
- Currently the OHL's leading playoff scorer
- Named team captain
I haven't gotten to see a lot of Dumba, so I don't really want to compare the two. But considering that Saad was ranked in the top 10 before his draft year (that's often forgotten), and now he's suddenly doing all of that after his draft year, I think his stock has definitely risen a huge amount. To a point where he could be worth something around the 10th pick. A lot of the guys being ranked around #10 this year don't have those kinds of accomplishments backing them up, though in fairness they're also a year younger than Saad.
But I wouldn't want to trade him for any of the guys ranked around there this year.
Nope. I think Saad's fall was a bit severe, but I wouldn't trade 6th overall for JUST Saad, when other teams would trade valuable NHL-ready assets+ prospects to pick that high.
- 44 GP, 34 G, 42 A, 76 PTS
- Highest PPG in the OHL
- Currently the OHL's leading playoff scorer
- Named team captain
I haven't gotten to see a lot of Dumba, so I don't really want to compare the two. But considering that Saad was ranked in the top 10 before his draft year (that's often forgotten), and now he's suddenly doing all of that after his draft year, I think his stock has definitely risen a huge amount. To a point where he could be worth something around the 10th pick. A lot of the guys being ranked around #10 this year don't have those kinds of accomplishments backing them up, though in fairness they're also a year younger than Saad.
But I wouldn't want to trade him for any of the guys ranked around there this year.
Listen I've seen a lot of Brandon Saad this season and he has all the tools to become a solid player in the NHL. The thing that irritates me is the fact that your backing up your point with pre-draft rankings and post accomplishments. A year from now I'm sure there will be players that will progress to the point where people will shake there heads and ask why they weren't selected in a certain position. Saad is a year older and more experienced with the OHL and clearly talented. Could he end up better than some kids in the top 10? Absolutely, it's not really fair to assess some kids now as they are extremely raw. Give them another season in their respective junior league/ncaa etc and we will see definite improvements.
What are you willing to add to Saad to get a Top-10 pick?
If it locked up Dumba for us, I'd add our 2nd to close the deal. That's it though and even then I don't think we should be adding but I am really high on Dumba.
Listen I've seen a lot of Brandon Saad this season and he has all the tools to become a solid player in the NHL. The thing that irritates me is the fact that your backing up your point with pre-draft rankings and post accomplishments. A year from now I'm sure there will be players that will progress to the point where people will shake there heads and ask why they weren't selected in a certain position. Saad is a year older and more experienced with the OHL and clearly talented. Could he end up better than some kids in the top 10? Absolutely, it's not really fair to assess some kids now as they are extremely raw. Give them another season in their respective junior league/ncaa etc and we will see definite improvements.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
You did no bubble bursting.
I acknowledged in that post that Saad is a year older than the players in the draft this year.
I mentioned pre-draft rankings to try and demonstrate that, save his draft year, he's always been highly regarded.
The Hawks don't have much beef on the blueline as it is and you want to trade the (arguably) best prospect the Hawks have for a scrawny offensive d-man? The Hawks more pressing need are d-men big enough to not get rag-dolled by forecheckers.
Saad is a year older and more experienced with the OHL and clearly talented. Could he end up better than some kids in the top 10? Absolutely
Which is kind of the point the poster was trying to make.
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The thing that irritates me is the fact that your backing up your point with pre-draft rankings
That would be the point at which you evaluate where 10-12 years of playing hockey had brought a player in comparison with his peers
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and post accomplishments
So you ignore what the player is actually doing on the ice? This doesn’t make any sense at all.
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Is this serious?
Sorry to disappoint even at #10 spot the talent level is still high...something i wouldnt trade for Saad alone
That’s interesting. For me # 10 is a big drop-off in this draft. After the three Russian forwards and Forsberg, and Murray, Reinhart, Dumba, Trouba and Reilly on the blueline.
I’d be interested in seeing a list of players after these ones that people would take after Saad, and re-visit it in five years.
I'm not advocating that Saad is worth a top 10 pick in this year's draft necessarily...
..but when will people get it through their heads that just because Saad fell in the draft last year, it doesn't mean it has an effect on his value right now after he was drafted?
Not only was he projected to go in the top 10 in early CSS rankings in his draft year, but he has proven (since recovering from his groin injury) that there's no reason to believe he shouldn't have if he was fully healthy and continued his play throughout the whole year.
I know HF lives and dies by the idea that a prospect's talent and value is directly tied to where they were drafted... and generally it's a good rule of thumb, but it's not like he came out of nowhere.
Maybe he's not worth a top 10 pick in this years draft (although, I can see an argument for it as well), but it's just naive to think that he doesn't have tremendous value should the Hawks want to trade him for a high draft pick this year. I think he should be able to fetch a top 15 pick rather easily, depending on the team that holds that pick.
That being said... I still wouldn't do it. Saad looks like the real deal and we need players exactly like him: big, good 2-way player, can score, is a leader on/off the ice...
Listen I've seen a lot of Brandon Saad this season and he has all the tools to become a solid player in the NHL. The thing that irritates me is the fact that your backing up your point with pre-draft rankings and post accomplishments. A year from now I'm sure there will be players that will progress to the point where people will shake there heads and ask why they weren't selected in a certain position. Saad is a year older and more experienced with the OHL and clearly talented. Could he end up better than some kids in the top 10? Absolutely, it's not really fair to assess some kids now as they are extremely raw. Give them another season in their respective junior league/ncaa etc and we will see definite improvements.
Sorry to burst your bubble.
I saw enough of Saad in preseason and at start of year to think he is real deal IMO
As for trade ,, No thanks
I like Saad and he fits what Hawks need longterm (Top 6 LW) so moving him for Dumba makes no sense
Hawks dont need a blue chip defensive prospect IMO with Keith/Seabrook/Leddy in NHL and guys like Johns , Holl , Clendening , Dahlbeck in pipeline
And Dumba doesn't fit the type of D prospect Hawks need (Big Bruiser SAH type) ,, We have enough offensive dmen in NHL and in system
