Don't be so sure about that. Granted, the Wilpons have a lot of debt right now. However, the reason payroll has been lowered so much was because of the looming nature of the Madoff case which is now behind them. Now that it's behind them & their settlement was VERY favorable, PLUS the fact that the Dodgers just sold for 2+ billion which only helps to up the Mets value, the Wilpons probably have the ability to spend big time again.
I don't want to turn this into a mets thread, but the Mets are in a rebuild situation of their own right now. There's really no point in abandoning it now to bring in the types of FA pitchers that have been available the last few years.
I really hope that the Isles do move to queens, but I hope the Wilpons have nothing to do with it other than being in favor of the idea and seeing it as a good opportunity to clean up the area. It would really suck if the Wilpons wound up owning the Islanders.
Yes and also Wilpon is now suing Madoff's estate so it might be even better though now the Madoff mess turned out much better than he could've hoped for. Wilpon can never be worse than Wang as an owner of NYI. If he has NYI in top 5 payroll as Mets have usually been then I'll take it.
The teams are only 10 years apart in age!
They both use Royal Blue, Orange and White in their logos
They Both have circular logos
Ramps are being built to accommodate something(????)
Their was a magic bullet!
The world is flat!
The gov't did......
Enough
The Mets can't even afford to put together a winning team, what the hell do they have to do with getting the Isles to Queens. For that to happen the owners of the Mets would have to buy the Isles and bring them there after 2015...again they can't afford ****. Why would teh Mets want to partner with them if there is no room for them? Where do teh Isles go? Brooklyn at least has a stadium that can be fitted for hockey.
Don't you guys see this is posturing by Wang to get the lazy mofos of Nassau off their buttocks.
Wang could definitely use this promotion to get Nassau powers off their *****, but it's clear Wang has an ongoing relationship with the Mets (and Sterling Equities, the Mets owners). Also the Islanders don't have to be sold to the Wilpons to move to Queens by 2015; Wang can own the team, pay a higher portion of a Queens arena and sell the team plus his arena portion when he can fetch a good price.
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Don't be so sure about that. Granted, the Wilpons have a lot of debt right now. However, the reason payroll has been lowered so much was because of the looming nature of the Madoff case which is now behind them. Now that it's behind them & their settlement was VERY favorable, PLUS the fact that the Dodgers just sold for 2+ billion which only helps to up the Mets value, the Wilpons probably have the ability to spend big time again.
I don't want to turn this into a mets thread, but the Mets are in a rebuild situation of their own right now. There's really no point in abandoning it now to bring in the types of FA pitchers that have been available the last few years.
I really hope that the Isles do move to queens, but I hope the Wilpons have nothing to do with it other than being in favor of the idea and seeing it as a good opportunity to clean up the area. It would really suck if the Wilpons wound up owning the Islanders.
They are not the sharpest minds in baseball, but if the Isles move to Queens I think the Wilpons will eventually own them. Jeff is more likely to become the next owner since Wang will likely hold onto the Isles for awhile before selling it ( between 2025 and 2030).
Don't be so sure about that. Granted, the Wilpons have a lot of debt right now. However, the reason payroll has been lowered so much was because of the looming nature of the Madoff case which is now behind them. Now that it's behind them & their settlement was VERY favorable, PLUS the fact that the Dodgers just sold for 2+ billion which only helps to up the Mets value, the Wilpons probably have the ability to spend big time again.
I don't want to turn this into a mets thread, but the Mets are in a rebuild situation of their own right now. There's really no point in abandoning it now to bring in the types of FA pitchers that have been available the last few years.
I really hope that the Isles do move to queens, but I hope the Wilpons have nothing to do with it other than being in favor of the idea and seeing it as a good opportunity to clean up the area. It would really suck if the Wilpons wound up owning the Islanders.
See there is 2 things wrong with your 1st paragraph.
The fact is the Mets had to lower payroll and people assume that because they got a favorable settlement means they are automatically going to spend. Now I don't know maybe the Wilpons said "yes we will spend", but I didn't hear any of that. Second the "value" of the Dodgers implying that the Mets is that high, plus (more importantly) didn't borrowing against a home loan prove anything to people in this last housing bubble??? That value only means something once you sell it and that borrowing against the perceived value is a horrible idea. I guess people haven't learned.
Rebuild! Oh boy! Who is not congratulate them. Man with all the pissing and moaning we have been through the last 4 years here, I am glad the Yankees wont have to go through a severe rebuild again
People need to realize that it is less than 3 years to the end of that lease. Starting over in Brooklyn, Queens or I'll say it Suffolk is not in Wangs best interest. Brooklyn has a building ready for hockey. Queens and Suffolk don't. But even Brooklyn is not ideal because it is more close to the Rangers (hence more Raga than Isles fans) and A LOT of Islanders fans live in Nassau and Suffolk and as much as people want to piss and moan that they live in Queens and Bklyn and they make the trip....yaddayaddayadda, people wont go to Brooklyn because to some people it is just too far.
"Don't you guys see? Don't you realize? .....Look how far we've come. We've got a chance!"
Wang is just doing this as a ploy to get Nassau OFF its ass and do something. I know getting off their ***** is not something Nassau Republicans and Democrats do (ever) but they need to do work and not try to get brownie points from fringe Nassau constituencies.
Wilpons owning the Islanders, you mean that there might be something that might "suck more" than Wang owning the Islanders.....tell me more.
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Wang could definitely use this promotion to get Nassau powers off their *****, but it's clear Wang has an ongoing relationship with the Mets (and Sterling Equities, the Mets owners). Also the Islanders don't have to be sold to the Wilpons to move to Queens by 2015; Wang can own the team, pay a higher portion of a Queens arena and sell the team plus his arena portion when he can fetch a good price.
They are not the sharpest minds in baseball, but if the Isles move to Queens I think the Wilpons will eventually own them. Jeff is more likely to become the next owner since Wang will likely hold onto the Isles for awhile before selling it ( between 2025 and 2030).
Just because Wang has a relationship with Wilpon doesnt mean that he is waiting to 2015 or to Nassau to say "we don't want you anymore, go away" to move them there. Queens and Brooklyn and I would bet in a few weeks Suffolk even (you heard it from Pnut first) are bargaining chips. They are staying in Nassau and somehow someway they will be there after 2015.
I think that this is just posturing. Nassau does it, Wang does it. And Just because Wang has a relationship with someone doesn't mean ****. Its the conspiracy theorist way of seeing 2 or 3 facts and saying that there theory is right because they see the two or three facts (like "they have a relationship!OMGZ" or "they have one promotion together"!) and forget facts........
3 years left and not a lot of time to start over in Bklyn, Queens, Suffolk
Still have a lease for 3 more years
Getting more of the concessions, and parking that he would have to share with the Nets in Brooklyn or maybe the Mets (in a complex) in Queens.
See there is 2 things wrong with your 1st paragraph.
The fact is the Mets had to lower payroll and people assume that because they got a favorable settlement means they are automatically going to spend. Now I don't know maybe the Wilpons said "yes we will spend", but I didn't hear any of that. Second the "value" of the Dodgers implying that the Mets is that high, plus (more importantly) didn't borrowing against a home loan prove anything to people in this last housing bubble??? That value only means something once you sell it and that borrowing against the perceived value is a horrible idea. I guess people haven't learned.
Rebuild! Oh boy! Who is not congratulate them. Man with all the pissing and moaning we have been through the last 4 years here, I am glad the Yankees wont have to go through a severe rebuild again
People need to realize that it is less than 3 years to the end of that lease. Starting over in Brooklyn, Queens or I'll say it Suffolk is not in Wangs best interest. Brooklyn has a building ready for hockey. Queens and Suffolk don't. But even Brooklyn is not ideal because it is more close to the Rangers (hence more Raga than Isles fans) and A LOT of Islanders fans live in Nassau and Suffolk and as much as people want to piss and moan that they live in Queens and Bklyn and they make the trip....yaddayaddayadda, people wont go to Brooklyn because to some people it is just too far.
"Don't you guys see? Don't you realize? .....Look how far we've come. We've got a chance!"
Wang is just doing this as a ploy to get Nassau OFF its ass and do something. I know getting off their ***** is not something Nassau Republicans and Democrats do (ever) but they need to do work and not try to get brownie points from fringe Nassau constituencies.
Wilpons owning the Islanders, you mean that there might be something that might "suck more" than Wang owning the Islanders.....tell me more.
Just because Wang has a relationship with Wilpon doesnt mean that he is waiting to 2015 or to Nassau to say "we don't want you anymore, go away" to move them there. Queens and Brooklyn and I would bet in a few weeks Suffolk even (you heard it from Pnut first) are bargaining chips. They are staying in Nassau and somehow someway they will be there after 2015.
I think that this is just posturing. Nassau does it, Wang does it. And Just because Wang has a relationship with someone doesn't mean ****. Its the conspiracy theorist way of seeing 2 or 3 facts and saying that there theory is right because they see the two or three facts (like "they have a relationship!OMGZ" or "they have one promotion together"!) and forget facts........
3 years left and not a lot of time to start over in Bklyn, Queens, Suffolk
Still have a lease for 3 more years
Getting more of the concessions, and parking that he would have to share with the Nets in Brooklyn or maybe the Mets (in a complex) in Queens.
You know facts that people ignore.
Peter
Then why is Wang trying to have the Coliseum condemned even though Nassau County wants to do some renovations this summer? Mangano wants a privately funded coliseum something Wang is against UNLESS the Town of Hempstead expands the zoning to justify a privately build facility. You could be right both are posturing, but neither are getting along at this time.
Say what you want about Wilpon but the reason why your team is so terrible has more to do with Omar Minaya trying to Win now approach then Wilpon interference.
Minaya made some bad deals and the closest they got was the 2006 NLCS.
Give me a top five payroll team and let me watch them be competitive and I dont think anyone here would complain.
Say what you want about Wilpon but the reason why your team is so terrible has more to do with Omar Minaya trying to Win now approach then Wilpon interference.
Minaya made some bad deals and the closest they got was the 2006 NLCS.
Give me a top five payroll team and let me watch them be competitive and I dont think anyone here would complain.
I believe that it's currently owned by a variety of industrial businesses, and the City is currently trying to claim the land via eminent domain.
You are correct. When I went to a Met game last season there was a big sign on the auto parts store on the corner by the GCP that said something like "Say NO to eminent domain!".
Then why is Wang trying to have the Coliseum condemned even though Nassau County wants to do some renovations this summer? Mangano wants a privately funded coliseum something Wang is against UNLESS the Town of Hempstead expands the zoning to justify a privately build facility. You could be right both are posturing, but neither are getting along at this time.
Just a simple question: How do things get done in Nassau?
Neglect of the building ended with Wang's publicity and rants (one of the few good things he's done). Now they find asbestos. Nassau HAS to act. SMG profiteering is exposed. Nassau had to act with the LHP (and it died but cured the SMG problem for good). Wang, through failure, has gained a ton. Now Nassau knows they're cornered and Wang has to bark to get fed.
So there were to be minor renovations before. Wang adds asbestos and a news blitz and Nassau will do more. This is building.
One side is asking for a whole new building. The other is saying it must be privately built.
Time is lapsing, so.....both sides will have to cave (or Wang can lose money and be a tenant in Brooklyn) so could you see the battling end with Nassau agreeing to some renovations, with Wang funding other aspects and the Coliseum being improved with Wang receiving a sweetheart lease?
Think.
Nassau keeps their tax benefit. Wang keeps the "ownership" (minus the SMG fee) of a building for little money compared to a new arena without having to rent from someone and see limited revenue.
Just follow the money. Nassau and Wang know the money leaving Nassau would hurt them both (Nassau FAR more).
Just a simple question: How do things get done in Nassau?
Neglect of the building ended with Wang's publicity and rants (one of the few good things he's done). Now they find asbestos. Nassau HAS to act. SMG profiteering is exposed. Nassau had to act with the LHP (and it died but cured the SMG problem for good). Wang, through failure, has gained a ton. Now Nassau knows they're cornered and Wang has to bark to get fed.
So there were to be minor renovations before. Wang adds asbestos and a news blitz and Nassau will do more. This is building.
One side is asking for a whole new building. The other is saying it must be privately built.
Time is lapsing, so.....both sides will have to cave (or Wang can lose money and be a tenant in Brooklyn) so could you see the battling end with Nassau agreeing to some renovations, with Wang funding other aspects and the Coliseum being improved with Wang receiving a sweetheart lease?
Think.
Nassau keeps their tax benefit. Wang keeps the "ownership" (minus the SMG fee) of a building for little money compared to a new arena without having to rent from someone and see limited revenue.
Just follow the money. Nassau and Wang know the money leaving Nassau would hurt them both (Nassau FAR more).
You could be right. Only time will tell. But I have a hard time believing Wang will reach an agreement with Nassau as each sides is fundamentally opposed to other's demands. Also I think wang wants to sell the team, and having the team in Nassau won't help him to get the highest price possible while keeping the team in the area.
Anybody else getting this from their season ticket rep? According to my rep, negotiations have been ongoing for last 6 months or so and that we'll know "with finality" this summer where the Islanders will be playing for next 30 years. While rep did say he couldn't rule out the team being sold he was hearing rumors of Queens around the office. He didn't sound enthused that Brooklyn was the answer. For the love of Kvasha please let this be true.
On the other hand, how else will they get long suffering season-tix holders to re-up so maybe it's baloney
You do realize they told me the same thing two years ago when they tried to make me re-up for season tickets. i didn't fall for it and refused to buy season tickets again and here we are two years later with a rep telling you the same thing they told me two years ago.
You do realize they told me the same thing two years ago when they tried to make me re-up for season tickets. i didn't fall for it and refused to buy season tickets again and here we are two years later with a rep telling you the same thing they told me two years ago.
Thanks for your input. But in 2010, the Isles didn't say the absolute deadline was by the end of 2012.
That is correct!! Speculation by both Deputy Executive Walker and Mike Picker would be that an answer on redevelopment for the property would be needed by years end if not sooner so the Islander can start making preparations for life post July 31st 2015.
That is correct!! Speculation by both Deputy Executive Walker and Mike Picker would be that an answer on redevelopment for the property would be needed by years end if not sooner so the Islander can start making preparations for life post July 31st 2015.
Yeah, well, that's finality about where they might not be playing, not finality about where the Isles will be playing.
You could be right. Only time will tell. But I have a hard time believing Wang will reach an agreement with Nassau as each sides is fundamentally opposed to other's demands. Also I think wang wants to sell the team, and having the team in Nassau won't help him to get the highest price possible while keeping the team in the area.
Knowing Wang, if I told you he was making money, will be making more money when we finally hit the playoffs, will make a lot more money with any arena refurb (OH! NICE! OOOHHH!!! *prices go up again*) and he knows this but as of now is playing his cards to get the most he can with the time ticking being his leverage, would you believe it?
If we found out Nassau wants parking and some share of revenues back and Wang is fighting to get it all, being petulant, would that be out of the realm of possibilities?
So he uses Brooklyn. Asbestos. Quebec? Queens? Now, HIS BIGGEST CARD, would be a winning team fans love, ONE HE HAS YET TO PLAY BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FANS. Now imagine spring 2013, one year left to win it all and he spends to the cap max for a Cup team.
Now he has used all his cards. Now he has real leverage.
I'm not dismissing everything else, but given his actions and ****ty attitude, would this not seem a possibility very much realistic?
I'll put $50 down on the Isles 2013 UFA signings being brash and very newsworthy.
(I'll put $20 down on our team going below the cap floor two years after an arena deal is in place as well)
Knowing Wang, if I told you he was making money, will be making more money when we finally hit the playoffs, will make a lot more money with any arena refurb (OH! NICE! OOOHHH!!! *prices go up again*) and he knows this but as of now is playing his cards to get the most he can with the time ticking being his leverage, would you believe it?
If we found out Nassau wants parking and some share of revenues back and Wang is fighting to get it all, being petulant, would that be out of the realm of possibilities?
So he uses Brooklyn. Asbestos. Quebec? Queens? Now, HIS BIGGEST CARD, would be a winning team fans love, ONE HE HAS YET TO PLAY BECAUSE HE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT FANS. Now imagine spring 2013, one year left to win it all and he spends to the cap max for a Cup team.
Now he has used all his cards. Now he has real leverage.
I'm not dismissing everything else, but given his actions and ****ty attitude, would this not seem a possibility very much realistic?
I'll put $50 down on the Isles 2013 UFA signings being brash and very newsworthy
(I'll put $20 down on our team going below the cap floor two years after an arena deal is in place as well).
With such grandiose claims, one would think you'd bet your life's savings on such claims (unless of course you just did)...
They just played the Islanders goal song at the Mets game.....a sign??
Interesting development.
WOW, now that's reaching!
I believe the Dir. of Game Day Operations for the Isles, Tim Beech I think his name is, holds the same , or similar, position with the Mets. For the past few years Isles gimmicks have been appearing in Mets games and vice versa.
I believe the Dir. of Game Day Operations for the Isles, Tim Beech I think his name is, holds the same , or similar, position with the Mets. For the past few years Isles gimmicks have been appearing in Mets games and vice versa.
The good thing is that the Isles and Mets have had arena discussions in the past and have done cross promotions since that was publicized despite the potential nasty nature of arena negotiations.
Taking a few liberties to put this into a popular Christmas song format to be sung in July.... (displaying final verse only)
On the twelfth week of summer, the organ-eye-zation gave to me
A bottom 3 defense in hockey
Half an hour waa-ait to pee
Franchise goalie made of tissue
Speedster who can't finish
Free agent pylons
Seven dollar hotdogs
Multiple concussions
Caaaap-u-aaaano's Ties....
Mesothelioma
Cap circumvention
Endless re-building
and an Owner who spends to the floor
These are the types of gems we need daily around here! Laugh away the pain...
