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04-11-2012, 04:14 PM
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There's already been "a lot of player movement" what fanboy and his marketing yes man don't realize is that the management sucks.

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04-11-2012, 04:15 PM
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Not sure how anyone can be surprised. Pegula and Black have always suggested that these 2 would play out their contracts at least. If they don't succeed next year, I fully expect them gone.

So, that said:

Query #1: If the Sabres have a "successful" season next year (begin debating what that means), how will the Lindy/Darcy haters react?

Query #2: If Darcy makes what appear to be good draft choices and off-season trades, but the Sabres miss the playoffs next year, how will people react?

Food for thought.

(By way of disclosure, my personal druthers would be to keep Darcy and get rid of Lindy, although I am close to being on the fence about both of them.)

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04-11-2012, 04:16 PM
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I had no expectations that either Ruff or Regier would be gone. I'm not sure I have a problem with the decision. I expect Roy to be moved, and Boyes, Goose and Hecht are off the cap. There is no doubt that Pegula will spend to the upper limit of the cap. The only question is with the CBA uncertainty, the cap ceiling may not be much higher until a deal is reached.

I'm pissed we missed the playoffs, but there is no question that I will keep my season tickets. I need a few weeks before I want to watch hockey though.

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nope... they'll have nearly 2 more full seasons

remember, they were given the "3 year plan"
Pegula is so impatient. Even Stalin allowed 5 years for his economic plans to unfold before tossing his lackeys into the gulags.

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I'm not surprised. I'm disappointed that the new ownership fed us a bunch of Stanley Cup ********, and settled for 9th place and no hard look at the men behind it.

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nope... they'll have nearly 2 more full seasons

remember, they were given the "3 year plan"
That is my guess as well.

Also of note, Vanek, Pominville, and Miller are all UFAs in two years......

If they were going to blow things up, the summer of 2014 is a logical point in time to do so.

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04-11-2012, 04:20 PM
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That is my guess as well.

Also of note, Vanek, Pominville, and Miller are all UFAs in two years......

If they were going to blow things up, the summer of 2014 is a logical point in time to do so.
Waiting until 2014 for a "blow up" would not be an explosion.

More like a fizzled firecracker.

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04-11-2012, 04:21 PM
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Then ****ing do something about this mess, Darcy.

Since it's clear Ruff will never go, it's time to start shipping players out. Starting with Roy.

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04-11-2012, 04:22 PM
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I guarantee that Pegula and Black are not evaluating Ruff and Regier except during the time that they've been in charge.

Fans are evaluating them from the start.

That's the disconnect.
Lindy's coaching style isn't gonna change on who is owner.

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That is my guess as well.

Also of note, Vanek, Pominville, and Miller are all UFAs in two years......

If they were going to blow things up, the summer of 2014 is a logical point in time to do so.
exactly

its been my feeling from day 1 ("lindy aint going nowhere")

although, i didn't expect it to start out so poorly... i was actually thinking we'd contend for the division, and then get embarrassed in the first round of the playoff because we are built like a QMJHL team

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Then ****ing do something about this mess, Darcy.

Since it's clear Ruff will never go, it's time to start shipping players out. Starting with Roy.
I agree, but a token moving of Roy (akin to the token moving of Timmy boy last year) is not enough. At this point that is not a disruptive game changer.

It's just obvious common sense.

Look at Connolly. Sure, it was nice to see him gone, but did it change a damned thing with the dynamic of this team/management?

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"fan boy" my how time doesn't heal.

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no one should be surprised.
This

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Suddenly, my anticipation factor for next season is lessened.
and this but fixed.

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I hope about 1800 more people have this attitude so I can move up the season ticket list.
It would be nice (though I'm not even on the list). I doubt that people in this area will stop watching because we don't change coaches or GM though.

We all (mostly) thought that we had decent depth at the start of this season from the player side (other than at center). How do we think that we are going to get exponentially better over one offseason by giving or taking a few players here or there. We had decent talent and okay depth. Chemistry and direction was missing for too much of the season and now with two years projected to reach the cup, how does not making any changes on the coaching or front office side give us a better chance?

Yeah, I'm all over the place with this rant

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This team would have made the playoffs with Connolly in Leino's spot.

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This team would have made the playoffs with Connolly in Leino's spot.
Why even go there?

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I had no expectations that either Ruff or Regier would be gone. I'm not sure I have a problem with the decision. I expect Roy to be moved, and Boyes, Goose and Hecht are off the cap. There is no doubt that Pegula will spend to the upper limit of the cap. The only question is with the CBA uncertainty, the cap ceiling may not be much higher until a deal is reached.

I'm pissed we missed the playoffs, but there is no question that I will keep my season tickets. I need a few weeks before I want to watch hockey though.
Actually, it's the opposite.
It will likely be lower when a new deal is reached.
During the remainder of the existing agreement, it will be very high.

Just so I'm on topic, this is totally expected.
Not much else you can say.

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Why even go there?

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exactly

its been my feeling from day 1 ("lindy aint going nowhere")

although, i didn't expect it to start out so poorly... i was actually thinking we'd contend for the division, and then get embarrassed in the first round of the playoff because we are built like a QMJHL team
I'm not sure I've seen someone put it like that (the QMJHL) but that is one of our problems in a nutshell.

At best, we are built to do a lot of winning in easy regular season games. We are not built for a deep playoff war. I honestly do not believe Ruff or Regier get that, or that they look at intangibles in assessing talent. Darcy is too much of a stats guy. He overlooks things like "will to win" "desire to compete" "leader at all previous levels" and this type of thing.

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Black and Pegula made it clear that Regier and Ruff were being given a clear slate and would be judged solely on their performance since Pegula. It was also made clear that they would show patience and not make rash decisions.

Yet, people will act surprised by this, or infuriated.

React how you want, but the plan was to give them at LEAST 2 years from the beginning.

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GOTTA GO!

Except it won't.

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At least Larry Quinn gave us a week worth of "hey we're gonna evaluate everything" before he maintained the status quo.

I have no reason to be excited about the new ownership anymore. It's so bad right now that I bet even LQ would have looked at getting rid of R&R.

That's right, I'm wishing Larry Quinn was back, **** my life.

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At least Larry Quinn gave us a week worth of "hey we're gonna evaluate everything" before he maintained the status quo.

I have no reason to be excited about the new ownership anymore. It's so bad right now that I bet even LQ would have looked at getting rid of R&R.

That's right, I'm wishing Larry Quinn was back, **** my life.
I would like to put knee-jerk over-reaction fans like you in charge. That will work.

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Anyone else listening to GR-55 right now?

A caller just explained the "clean slate" concept that he believes Pegula and Black are adhering to. I.E., Ruff and Regier have effectively been here 1 year as far as Terry is concerned.

Schopp seems to agree.

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If they're modeling themselves at the Penguins as is suspected, everyone should chill out for a sec and look to Therrien's experience as an example.

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I would like to put knee-jerk over-reaction fans like you in charge. That will work.
All I want is 5 minutes in charge to fire the coach and then I'll step down.

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