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Where does Justin Schultz sign? [MOD: All Schultz Talk]
Money is limited since it will be an ELC.
Ice-time will probably be the same in Vancouver, Anaheim and Toronto.
We may be able to offer more in terms of bonuses than contending teams like Van. TO already has a whole lot of Dmen. And for whatever reason he doesn't seem to want to play in Anaheim.
And for whatever reason he doesn't seem to want to play in Anaheim.
Well if so ok, but if this is the reason his play with the club is cheap then. He should have known it last season. The Ducks could have used him for a trade or they would have moved him to Toronto instead of Gardiner. The way he - or his agent - plays the game is annoying. I'm still not sure about him.
Just to admit, if he wants to play in Canada, or just not for the Ducks why doesn't he just say it? Everyone would be clear and the Ducks can move on.
Not going to consider dead last up to 2nd to last in an entire calendar year as a 'team on the rise'. No offense.
One would have to be a complete idiot not to recognize that Edmonton is absolutely a team on the rise. And thats even before they got 1st overall again. Yes they have a couple holes on the blueline and in net, however the potential they have up front (and with picking Yakupov or Murray) is amazing.
But this team is set to be a contender for years to come.
I don't get why the pens aren't in the running except for family or personal reasons. Fantastic forwards and goalie... decent defense, but definitely a spot available. Seems like a great fit to me.
I'm sure the Pens (like every team) are very interested in him. However the Pens also have 7 NHL D on the roster with a deep pool of prospects on the blueline.
Wait, so your source is some guy on an Oilers' board that heard it from the Oilers' radio guy? This is just getting silly.
Yes, his source is a guy from Oilers radio. He said that in his post, and is that any less credible than these random, amateur HFers who know nothing give their thoughts? Why dont you go hound them for their sources.
Schultz could earn a very nice 2nd contract feeding pucks to Hall, RNH, Eberle, and Yakupov on the 3rd ranked PP in NHL. Sounds like this Western Canadian kid kinda likes the city of Edmonton as well. Oilers fans have learned to expect rejection, but it might be time to get presumptive and confident about this one. It makes too much sense. Would be a shame to see him sign with NYR or Vancouver at this point.
The Oilers should step up and make a trade for Schultz... none of this sign a 21 year old as a FA bull crap. Frankly, I think it's pathetic a 21 year old (who was drafted) is able to become a free agent before playing a single season in the NHL.
I won't hate Schultz if he signs in Edmonton and Anaheim gets nothing in return...
but i will hate him forever if he signs in Vancouver.
I don't know if he would have signed in Edmonton before, but if I were him, I would definitely consider it now.
With Yakupov, Nugent-Hopkins, Hall and Eberle, the Oilers have a core comparable to the Blackhawks a few years ago. Schultz would become the Keith to their Hossa, Kane, Toews and Sharp.
One would have to be a complete idiot not to recognize that Edmonton is absolutely a team on the rise. And thats even before they got 1st overall again. Yes they have a couple holes on the blueline and in net, however the potential they have up front (and with picking Yakupov or Murray) is amazing.
But this team is set to be a contender for years to come.
Why? They just got fantastic seasons from Eberle, Hall, and Nugent-Hopkins but still finished 29th in the league. In terms of points per game, here's where those 3 finished in the Western Conference:
Eberle: 2nd
Hall: 12th
Nugent-Hopkins: 16th
If the Oilers couldn't get within 20 points of a playoff spot with those guys' contributions while making a pittance, how are they going to build a contender with those guys making $6+ million a year each? Sure they'll get better as they gain experience, but they're already producing at a level such that their improvements alone aren't going to turn the 2nd worst team in the league into an elite one. It'd be one thing if those guys were putting up 40 points apiece and the team struggled; then you could argue that their improvement will drive the team to success. But they're already scoring at a top end pace and the team is still floundering.
Any comparisons to Chicago are silly because not only did Chicago have absolutely fantastic depth, but they also won their cup with Toews and Kane on ELCs. So unless the Oilers are winning a cup in the next year or two, they're going to have to do it while paying their top players market value. That's not an easy proposition for a team with no defence or goaltending and a very poor track record at attracting UFAs at anything but overpayments.
The Oilers should step up and make a trade for Schultz... none of this sign a 21 year old as a FA bull crap. Frankly, I think it's pathetic a 21 year old (who was drafted) is able to become a free agent before playing a single season in the NHL.
I won't hate Schultz if he signs in Edmonton and Anaheim gets nothing in return...
but i will hate him forever if he signs in Vancouver.
I do agree that we should trade for him. Players seem to like it when teams chase them and show commitment. But since he is a pending UFA we can't offer much because we can't afford to just throw away assets. I'd happily offer up Omark + a 3rd or maybe your 2nd in 2013 back. Not sure if that is enough to get him, but I wouldn't be comfortable with the Oilers offering much more than that. What would you be looking for? I can't see us moving a Gagner or a Paajarvi for a guy we could lose for nothing.
If something like that can't be worked out than it's in our best interests to just wait and see if we can convince him to sign here instead of TO, Van or NYR. He'd have some dynamic firepower in his age range to work with and we can offer him a number 1 PP spot which should help his numbers for his 2nd contract. Also, reportedly, he isn't one of those players that has inherent issues with Edmonton. So we do have a few things going in our favour if we have to wait til he is a FA.
One would have to be a complete idiot not to recognize that Edmonton is absolutely a team on the rise. And thats even before they got 1st overall again. Yes they have a couple holes on the blueline and in net, however the potential they have up front (and with picking Yakupov or Murray) is amazing.
But this team is set to be a contender for years to come.
everyone keeps saying this but it has yet to happen
No one is disagreeing that Edmonton would be a really great fit for Schultz. The question always comes down to if he wants to live in Edmonton for five months of cold.
The Oilers should step up and make a trade for Schultz... none of this sign a 21 year old as a FA bull crap. Frankly, I think it's pathetic a 21 year old (who was drafted) is able to become a free agent before playing a single season in the NHL.
I won't hate Schultz if he signs in Edmonton and Anaheim gets nothing in return...
but i will hate him forever if he signs in Vancouver.
Why? They just got fantastic seasons from Eberle, Hall, and Nugent-Hopkins but still finished 29th in the league. In terms of points per game, here's where those 3 finished in the Western Conference:
Eberle: 2nd
Hall: 12th
Nugent-Hopkins: 16th
If the Oilers couldn't get within 20 points of a playoff spot with those guys' contributions while making a pittance, how are they going to build a contender with those guys making $6+ million a year each? Sure they'll get better as they gain experience, but they're already producing at a level such that their improvements alone aren't going to turn the 2nd worst team in the league into an elite one. It'd be one thing if those guys were putting up 40 points apiece and the team struggled; then you could argue that their improvement will drive the team to success. But they're already scoring at a top end pace and the team is still floundering.
Any comparisons to Chicago are silly because not only did Chicago have absolutely fantastic depth, but they also won their cup with Toews and Kane on ELCs. So unless the Oilers are winning a cup in the next year or two, they're going to have to do it while paying their top players market value. That's not an easy proposition for a team with no defence or goaltending and a very poor track record at attracting UFAs at anything but overpayments.
If Schultz wants out of Anaheim because he feels slighted, why would he all of a sudden go running into the arms of Tambellini and Kevin Lowe? I mean, his agent is probably going to look at the 30 similar offers coming his way and look for an organization that is known to treat it's players well. Wouldn't you? I doubt the biggest thing on their checklist is a "group of young promising forwards".
If Schultz wants out of Anaheim because he feels slighted, why would he all of a sudden go running into the arms of Tambellini and Kevin Lowe? I mean, his agent is probably going to look at the 30 similar offers coming his way and look for an organization that is known to treat it's players well. Wouldn't you? I doubt the biggest thing on their checklist is a "group of young promising forwards".
Seeing how he can only sign a certain contract, I bet the biggest thing on both Schultz and his Agent's mind is getting him in the NHL asap so he can start putting up numbers so he can make big monies on his second contract.
Schultz signing in Edmonton guarantees not only is he going to play in the NHL, he is going to play prime time minutes. Not only is he going to be playing prime time minutes, he'd be playing them with four ridiculously talented forwards on one of the top powerplays in the National Hockey League.
I dunno about you, but that seems pretty enticing to me... Plus he wants to play in Canada, and he is a young guy who would fit very well in a lockerroom full of young guys.
If he signed in Edmonton he would be close to home, he would get a lot of icetime, and he'd be on a young team. Of course, there are other teams that can offer a lot as well, so I'm not going to assume it's a done deal for us but I sure hope we can get him.
No one is disagreeing that Edmonton would be a really great fit for Schultz. The question always comes down to if he wants to live in Edmonton for five months of cold.
According to my fake buddy's friend, he deffo prefers the bone-chilling "+5c" rain, endless gloomy, grey skies, and the low-lying clouds that obscure the North Shore mountains for 6 months of the year. Vancouver is liek the California of Canada n stuff.
If Schultz wants out of Anaheim because he feels slighted, why would he all of a sudden go running into the arms of Tambellini and Kevin Lowe? I mean, his agent is probably going to look at the 30 similar offers coming his way and look for an organization that is known to treat it's players well. Wouldn't you? I doubt the biggest thing on their checklist is a "group of young promising forwards".
If he feels "slighted" because the team is pushing to get him signed. The kid either needs to let his balls drop or simply grow up.
Why? They just got fantastic seasons from Eberle, Hall, and Nugent-Hopkins but still finished 29th in the league. In terms of points per game, here's where those 3 finished in the Western Conference:
Eberle: 2nd
Hall: 12th
Nugent-Hopkins: 16th
If the Oilers couldn't get within 20 points of a playoff spot with those guys' contributions while making a pittance, how are they going to build a contender with those guys making $6+ million a year each? Sure they'll get better as they gain experience, but they're already producing at a level such that their improvements alone aren't going to turn the 2nd worst team in the league into an elite one. It'd be one thing if those guys were putting up 40 points apiece and the team struggled; then you could argue that their improvement will drive the team to success. But they'relready
scoring at a top end pace and the team is still floundering.
Any comparisons to Chicago are silly because not only did Chicago have absolutely fantastic depth, but they also won their cup with Toews and Kane on ELCs. So unless the Oilers are winning a cup in the next year or two, they're going to have to do it while paying their top players market value. That's not an easy proposition for a team with no defence or goaltending and a very poor track record at attracting UFAs at anything but overpayments.
I calculated overpriced contracts for all but bottom 4 forwards and bottom 3 D and came to 60 million(generous) . Were fine. None of the kids seem greedy in anyway.
Lets see from what I observed. A team with no real depth behind the kids (hemsky and gagner unexpectedly poor) , mediocre D at the best of times (getting better, still no offensive D) and poor goaltending by khabibulin/dubnyk for an extended period. Hell our D was beyond awful until Petry came out after allstar. break.
Spells bottom 5 to me, blatantly obvious actually.
Yakupov adds much needed extra scoring potential. If Whitney can recover to close to his former self, our D will be decent. Dubnyk will turn out ok or maybe better.
It could all fail but who knows, next year may be interesting.
