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Briere's blatant offside goal ruling question

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04-12-2012, 04:55 AM
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As others have pointed out - offsides isn't reviewable because it doesn't have enough direct influence over a scored goal (as opposed to say, a kicked puck) to be practical. Briere still had to skate in on Fleury and beat him to earn the goal. If an offsides call is blown and the two teams battle for a good 30-45 seconds with a couple changes in possession but the defense is unable to clear and the attacking team eventually manages to score, can you really say the missed call "caused" the goal? It's because of situations like those that I'm guessing they choose not to make it reviewable.

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i invite you to rewatch the overtime game winner.
Also, it will be hard for Staal to win the Selke when Couturier wins it for the next 15 years straight!

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Linesmen blew an offsides call leading to a Flyer goal. That guy will be done for the playoffs for making a mistake that hurt Pittsburgh, and Bettman is trying to find someone to fine for the Penguins loss on national TV.

This is about as plausible as Tortorella being fined for his "bad language."

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04-12-2012, 05:33 AM
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lol who didn't see this thread coming?

A call was missed, and it sucks that humans can't be 100% good at what they do 100% of the time. But I'd like to see a ****ing Brontosaurus make that ****ing call.

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04-12-2012, 05:43 AM
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Linesman got caught like 20 feet up the ice, didn't have a good angle.
What about the other linesman who was stradlling the blueline?
He had a perfect view.

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What about the other linesman who was stradlling the blueline?
He had a perfect view.
that was the ref, not a lineman

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04-12-2012, 06:28 AM
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So, the OP question is why isn't that reviewable? Because you don't want them reviewing EVERY goal that happens for a possible offsides or other infraction.... it was a blown call, it happens, and it is part of the game. Sometimes it is in your favor other times it isnt.

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I enjoy Kerry Fraser's commentary. He has the most interesting (even though it is limited in scope) hockey column online.


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Really horrible call by it's part of the game.

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04-12-2012, 07:33 AM
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If I were a Pens fan, I'd be more concerned with the successive 3 goals mores than the first one...

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This things happen, but this game was particularly badly lined. The linesmen were noticeably off in this game.

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Get over it.

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NHL Paying the flyers back for Duane Sutters Offside goal in 1980 finals?

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04-12-2012, 08:13 AM
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It seems pretty clear to me that the linesman had the previous blown call, the icing waived off on Penguins third, in the back of his mind.

He's on a bad angle, he's about to blow his whistle as you see he starts to raise his hand. At this moment I feel he isn't 100% sure because of the bad angle and makes the decision that he's going to give the benefit of the doubt to the Flyers and let's this one go their way.

Imagine if he'd blown it dead and it was onside? Linesman call helps score Pittsburgh third, Linesman call kills Briere's breakaway?

Seems clear to me the two plays, that basically voided each other, were very connected.
This wasn't a bang-bang call, it was a no brainer offside call

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04-12-2012, 08:14 AM
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How can you mention one call but ignore icing call that cost Flyers 3rd goal..
Two blown calls against both teams that cost goals.


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04-12-2012, 08:23 AM
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pens got screwed over pretty hard tonight imo but i dont really care who wins this series anways so meh
...both teams scored one goal after a whistle should have been blown.

The penguins had 3 powerplays to the Flyers 1--and some of the calls / non-calls were pretty poor (e.g., Giroux gets called for boarding; about ten minutes later, Hartnell got run on a similar play with no call, etc.--there were ample opportunities for the referees to balance the penalties, and they did not).

The Briere goal was clearly offsides, and was wrongly called. Pittsburgh's third goal was a clear icing that was wrongly called. They balance out.

Mostly, though, it comes down to this. Pittsburgh was dominant for the first, but the Flyers were the far better team in the 2nd, 3rd, and OT. Just the eye test suggested as much.

EDIT: and to answer your question--why isn't it reviewable? Where do you draw the line? What if an offside play happens 30 seconds instead of 5 seconds before a goal? What about icing calls--not those in which an official determines a player could have gotten to the puck (a judgement call) but those in which the officials wrongly assume a player got to the red line? Should those be reviewable?

Replay is fine as is.

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04-12-2012, 08:52 AM
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Just like they can't review the icing on the Pens third goal. BOTH team got away with one.
exactly. the whole thing is making me laugh. both teams got away with a clear cut non goal. in the end pens blew it, flyers won it.

pens fans need to stop crying about the first flyers goal

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pens fans need to stop crying about the first flyers goal
Hey, Penguins lost because they didnt play good enough,but Flyers fans have been crying about the officiating before the series even started .Doesent compare.

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Sure it was a badly missed call. Bad calls happen, welcome to the NHL. At that point it was 3-1 and shame on the Pens for not sucking it up and getting back to work. They looked horrible after that play.

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Wait, I thought the league always favoured the Pens?

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Wait, I thought the league always favoured the Pens?
"Bettman can`t make it look too obvious"

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When I saw Pittsburgh's third goal on the blown icing, I wondered if karma would wave its magic hand.

And it did, when it allowed Briere's offside goal.

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Also, it will be hard for Staal to win the Selke when Couturier wins it for the next 15 years straight!
I dont know about 15 years straight, but the kid will win one soon. He is really that good.

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As others have pointed out - offsides isn't reviewable because it doesn't have enough direct influence over a scored goal (as opposed to say, a kicked puck) to be practical. Briere still had to skate in on Fleury and beat him to earn the goal. If an offsides call is blown and the two teams battle for a good 30-45 seconds with a couple changes in possession but the defense is unable to clear and the attacking team eventually manages to score, can you really say the missed call "caused" the goal? It's because of situations like those that I'm guessing they choose not to make it reviewable.
This makes a lot of sense.

Also, imagine if Briere didn't score, the play goes on for 2 mins and then Pittsburgh scores. If the call is reviewable, you have to cancel Pittsburgh's goal and get back 2 mins in the game.

Do you guys see the kind of circus the game would become if linesmen's calls were reviewable?

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Here was another significant missed offside call:


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