HFBoards  

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Los Angeles Kings
Notices

Will you consider this season a failure if the Kings fail to advance past 1st round?

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old
04-11-2012, 07:32 PM
  #126
PSP
Couldn't Be Happier!
 
PSP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsfan View Post
So you don't include the three most experienced guys from Detroit. Also, our most experienced guy (I'll use Willie Mitchell) has fewer games played than the top four on Detroit.
The original premise was that the Kings' young core was still young enough to do something - not including 3 players who were well over 30 in a discussion of the "young core" totally makes sense.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsfan View Post
I also like how you ignore the fact that priori to the cup run in 95, Detroit was a classic playoff flop, losing to what should have been easy opponents like Toronto in 93 and San Jose in 94. But that's ok for them, but when LA stumbles in far less easy to win situations the last two years, this is suddenly a make it or break it playoff? Imagine if Detroit had fired the management team and done a bunch of changes after failing to do much in the playoffs in 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1994?
Apparently you don't remember who the Kings barely beat in Game 7 of the 1993 Conference Championships to give them their only Cup Finals appearance...

Unbelievable

PSP is offline  
Old
04-11-2012, 07:41 PM
  #127
PSP
Couldn't Be Happier!
 
PSP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsfan View Post
The core is still quite young.

When you consider that the average NHL players age is approximately 27.3 years of age, the core is still a full season-plus below the median age for their sport.
How many NHL games has the average 27.3 year old NHL player played?

Young normally means inexperienced, but the Kings players aren't inexperienced. They have played a ton of games for their age.

PSP is offline  
Old
04-11-2012, 08:01 PM
  #128
KINGS17
Smartest in the Room
 
KINGS17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 13,182
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSP View Post
The original premise was that the Kings' young core was still young enough to do something - not including 3 players who were well over 30 in a discussion of the "young core" totally makes sense.



Apparently you don't remember who the Kings barely beat in Game 7 of the 1993 Conference Championships to give them their only Cup Finals appearance...

Unbelievable
I don't think you remember how stacked Chicago and Detroit were that season. Toronto may have been close in the standings, but Detroit was expected to crush them after outscoring their opponents 369-280 during the regular season.

As it turned out it would be 2 more years before Detroit would be ready.

KINGS17 is online now  
Old
04-11-2012, 08:08 PM
  #129
PSP
Couldn't Be Happier!
 
PSP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Lake Forest, CA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,264
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by KINGS17 View Post
I don't think you remember how stacked Chicago and Detroit were that season. Toronto may have been close in the standings, but Detroit was expected to crush them after outscoring their opponents 369-280 during the regular season.

As it turned out it would be 2 more years before Detroit would be ready.
Chicago and Detroit might have been stacked, but calling Toronto an "easy opponent" is flat out wrong

PSP is offline  
Old
04-11-2012, 08:12 PM
  #130
KINGS17
Smartest in the Room
 
KINGS17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Country: United States
Posts: 13,182
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSP View Post
Chicago and Detroit might have been stacked, but calling Toronto an "easy opponent" is flat out wrong
Not easy, but definitely the underdogs.

KINGS17 is online now  
Old
04-12-2012, 10:20 AM
  #131
kingsfan
#SutterforanOscar
 
kingsfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Manitoba, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,435
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sydor25 View Post
I just don't believe that the Kings core is as "young" people are making them out to be, most of them joined the NHL as teenagers and have hundreds of games played. Age is just a number, NHL games played is a better indication of experience.
See, this post I agree with. Why? Because now you're not talking about age, you are talking about experience. Are the Kings experienced, regular season wise? Yes they are. That's different than going on about age. Age wise, they are still young.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PSP View Post
The original premise was that the Kings' young core was still young enough to do something - not including 3 players who were well over 30 in a discussion of the "young core" totally makes sense.



Apparently you don't remember who the Kings barely beat in Game 7 of the 1993 Conference Championships to give them their only Cup Finals appearance...

Unbelievable
No it doesn't make sense. If it did make sense you wouldn't have included Willie Mitchell on the Kings side since he's 35. You can't have it both ways PSP.

And I don't forget the Leafs, I was watching that whole series. Don't give me your 'unbelieveable' crap. The Leafs and Kings were evenly matched, but the Wings were by far the better team and were widely favored to beat the Leafs in the playoffs. They were expected to take that next step, instead they got bounced by the Leafs and it cost Bryan Murray his job. Scotty came in after that and even he failed to lift the Wings anywhere in his first year, losing to the Sharks in seven games in their first ever playoff appearance.

Bottom line is the Red Wings are viewed as the model franchise, and the roots of that start in the late 80's, something that was discussed at leangth before on this message board. The Wings didn't take a significant step forward inthe playoffs until 1995. I'm notsaying LA will follow in their footsteps or if they should follow the same path, but to say that the Kings are a failure or whatever it is your trying to prove, and doing a dowright brutal job at it I might add, is wrong.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PSP View Post
How many NHL games has the average 27.3 year old NHL player played?

Young normally means inexperienced, but the Kings players aren't inexperienced. They have played a ton of games for their age.
Age is not experience. No one is debating the Kings have a lot of regular season experience.

My question for you though is how many playoff games does the average 27.3 year old NHL player have? I'd believe it's more than 12, which is what the core of this team, outside of Richards and Carter, have. Look around, I'm sure you'll find hundreds of quotes from players saying the playoffs are a whole nother beast. Our little discussion on the Red Wings proves that as well.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PSP View Post
Chicago and Detroit might have been stacked, but calling Toronto an "easy opponent" is flat out wrong
Maybe calling them 'easy" was wrong, so I'll retract that. But I'll stand by saying that Detroit was favored and expected to win and didn't. In hindsight, no one will call the Red Wings path a 'failure', yet that's what we're discussing here in this thread, if the Kings are a failure for not winning a playoff round. The Wings didn't win anything for 4 straight seasons, several of which they were the favorite. Which of the past three playoff series (counting the current one) was LA the favorite in?

kingsfan is offline  
Old
04-22-2012, 11:31 PM
  #132
Puck U
2012 SC CHAMPIONS !
 
Puck U's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Country: United States
Posts: 7,492
vCash: 500

Puck U is offline  
Old
04-22-2012, 11:39 PM
  #133
Jason Lewis
Hockey's Future Staff
 
Jason Lewis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 4,642
vCash: 500
Haven't seen PSP in a while

Jason Lewis is offline  
Old
04-22-2012, 11:40 PM
  #134
Shellz
Registered User
 
Shellz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: California
Posts: 16,607
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaygokings View Post
Haven't seen PSP in a while
He's too busy being excited

Shellz is offline  
Old
04-23-2012, 12:15 AM
  #135
Live in the Now
Administrator
HFBoards
 
Live in the Now's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Rancho Cucamonga
Country: United States
Posts: 24,009
vCash: 250
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaygokings View Post
Haven't seen PSP in a while
He's been around.




In any case, this thread is now meaningless, and the season is not a failure. And it has a 1/8 chance of being a success beyond our wildest imaginations.

I've never been more happy to close a thread, which I will now do.

Live in the Now is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:55 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2013 All Rights Reserved.