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This thread can't be serious... No way does Toronto, who finally has a chance to draft their #1 center, give up this pick for Neuvirth. I repeat Toronto has a chance to draft their #1 center. Just one more time... They can draft their number one center.
Can't tell you how many threads end with the other team telling Toronto that they have to draft their number one guy because no one's giving one up for marginal pieces. Now they've got their chance, and you expect them to give it away for Neuvirth?
I think Neuvirth + 11 + 16 for either Columbus' or Toronto's pick would be pretty fair value. Probably makes more sense for Columbus, since they have virtually nothing in the way of goalie prospects, and should really be looking for quantity over quality at the moment. Then we've got Backstrom and Grigorenko down the middle for the next decade +, and Johansson and Kuznetsov can each play wing, which they're better suited for. The possibility of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Johansson and Semin-Grigorenko-Kuznetsov as our top two lines is just too much to pass up.
If you consider that the draft is weak after the 6-7 spot. That value will not get you anywhere near the top 5 IMO.
Varlamov had a higher ceiling than Neuvirth does, and everyone knows in retrospect that it was an awful deal for Colorado, so I wouldn't use it as a baseline for another trade.
I wouldn't move the 5th overall unless the + was quite significant.
Toronto would be most interested bundling it up to get Backstrom, which would clearly be a non-starter for Washington.
Awful deal? Every single Avs fan would make that trade again. Instead of waiting a couple years for someone like Pickard to develop, or doing a quick fix via FA, we got a young goalie we desperately needed. If you don't have a clue, don't comment.
I think Neuvirth + 11 + 16 for either Columbus' or Toronto's pick would be pretty fair value. Probably makes more sense for Columbus, since they have virtually nothing in the way of goalie prospects, and should really be looking for quantity over quality at the moment. Then we've got Backstrom and Grigorenko down the middle for the next decade +, and Johansson and Kuznetsov can each play wing, which they're better suited for. The possibility of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Johansson and Semin-Grigorenko-Kuznetsov as our top two lines is just too much to pass up.
Disagree. To get the number 2 pick in the draft, you're either going to have to suck as bad as CBJ did this past season and get slotted there yourself in future, or give up something of greater significance. Now, you might not see that as fair value, and I certainly understand that, but I'm not feeling it.
Something around Holtby and LA's first-rounder...
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The improvement over Reimer is minimal and the Leafs would be better off signing a veteran if they cannot get a legitimate number 1. Most I'd offer is Franson + 3rd. The Caps will certainly get no where near the 5th overall pick.
Because Neuvy > Harding. Yes, it'd be a downgrade in goal for the Caps.
Harding .917
Neuvirth .903
Harding 2.62
Neivirth 2.82
Actually Harding put up better numbers playing for a non playoff team, So again, why would a team give up assets when they can sign Harding for a fairly cheap contract and not give any assets?
This topic is too funny. So we have a homer Caps fan who points out that Varlomov got an 11th pick so Neuvirth being the "better goalie" (with a .903%) should get an equal or better return. Then he goes on to say that Colorado overpaid "way" too much for Varlomov.
Yes, you can have our top-five pick for your mediocre goalie.
[QUOTE=HabsRock;47890431]He would start on most teams?? well here is a list of the starting NHL goalies, please enlighten us. Which ones is he CLEARLY better than.
Luongo
Lundquist
Halak
Fleury
Rienne
Thomas
Howard
Brodeur
Crawford
Smith
Niemi
Quick
Theo
Anderson
Kipper
Lehtonen
Miller
Varlamov
Rolie
Pavelec
ward
Backstrom
Hiller
Reimer
Nabokov
Price
Dubnyk
He hasn't proved he can be a consistant starting goalie yet but he's still better than Rolie. Rolie had his time up until last year but it's like watching a sick animal before you put them down. It's sad really.
This thread can't be serious... No way does Toronto, who finally has a chance to draft their #1 center, give up this pick for Neuvirth. I repeat Toronto has a chance to draft their #1 center. Just one more time... They can draft their number one center.
Can't tell you how many threads end with the other team telling Toronto that they have to draft their number one guy because no one's giving one up for marginal pieces. Now they've got their chance, and you expect them to give it away for Neuvirth?
Burke better draft the center they need and not be stupid enough to trade the pick for an unproven young goalie. They tried that with raycroft for rask who was picked 21st overall and kept pogge and we know how that turned out. If he pulls a JFJ he better get ready to join Wilson.
This topic is too funny. So we have a homer Caps fan who points out that Varlomov got an 11th pick so Neuvirth being the "better goalie" (with a .903%) should get an equal or better return. Then he goes on to say that Colorado overpaid "way" too much for Varlomov.
Yes, you can have our top-five pick for your mediocre goalie.
Show me where I said Neuvirth's a better goalie? Much more safe acquisition though. And I also offer a + from our side. If you have a good memory, you remember that there was a + from Colorado side in Varlamov trade.
When I saw how well he played well I thought to myself "self, I will be you a ham sandwich that a Leafs fan will make a thread trying to get him to solve their inexperienced goaltender problem (afterall he has 108 games played, what can go wrong)."
Then when I saw this thread on the list I thought to myself as I was clicking "God damnit self, now I have to get up to make a ham sandwich at 3 am, thanks alot Leafs fans (at the same time my self was very happy that the Leafs fans were obsessed with inexperienced goalies)"
Then i read the OP and thought:
Terrible trade for the Leafs. Unless that "+" is Carlson or Johansson+.
When I saw how well he played well I thought to myself "self, I will be you a ham sandwich that a Leafs fan will make a thread trying to get him to solve their inexperienced goaltender problem (afterall he has 108 games played, what can go wrong)."
Then when I saw this thread on the list I thought to myself as I was clicking "God damnit self, now I have to get up to make a ham sandwich at 3 am, thanks alot Leafs fans (at the same time my self was very happy that the Leafs fans were obsessed with inexperienced goalies)"
Then i read the OP and thought:
Terrible trade for the Leafs. Unless that "+" is Carlson or Johansson+.
He would start on most teams?? well here is a list of the starting NHL goalies, please enlighten us. Which ones is he CLEARLY better than.
Luongo
Lundqvist
Halak
Fleury
Rinne
Thomas
Howard
Brodeur
Crawford
Smith
Niemi
Quick
Theo
Anderson
Kipper
Lehtonen
Miller
Varlamov Rolie
Pavelec
Ward
Backstrom
Hiller Reimer
Nabokov
Price Dubnyk
Mason
I'd say these ones maybe, some are kind of close but the rest are no doubt way better than Neuvirth
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Originally Posted by fedfed
If you think Neuvirth is not a huge upgrade over Gustavsson/Reimer: He is. He is now an NHL starting goalie on most of the teams. Should be mentioned on the same breath with guys like Rask and Schneider, who are trade away from becoming elite goalies.
Not even close on both accounts
Marginally better than Reimer or Gus (stats are posted in here already)
Wouldn't matter anyway since even if we could have Lundqvist, he still wouldn't be able to keep this team afloat
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoidberg Jesus
I think Neuvirth + 11 + 16 for either Columbus' or Toronto's pick would be pretty fair value. Probably makes more sense for Columbus, since they have virtually nothing in the way of goalie prospects, and should really be looking for quantity over quality at the moment. Then we've got Backstrom and Grigorenko down the middle for the next decade +, and Johansson and Kuznetsov can each play wing, which they're better suited for. The possibility of Ovechkin-Backstrom-Johansson and Semin-Grigorenko-Kuznetsov as our top two lines is just too much to pass up.
Not even close, more so for the Jackets. After the top 5-7 there's a big drop off in the next dozen or so picks.
C-bus laughs and hangs up
T.O. declines since Neuvirth for us right now compared to what the 5th pick could do.
