I think the biggest obstacle with the Schmaltz family is geography. The Wisconsin area is OHL property but when you're from Wisconsin you're closer to that school, all the schools in Minnesota and North Dakota. There aren't a lot of people from there that go and play OHL I think Morbeck with Kingston is one of the few. The Schmaltz family have all grown up looking at NCAA hockey and even if the OHL is better it's very hard to change perceptions when you have been around it for so long. There are a few guys that have gone USHL or USDP and been top draft picks in the NHL eg. Vanek, Johnson, Kessel, Okposo. If his older brother is good enough to do the USHL to possible 1st round NHL pick then Nick can probably pull it off as well. When you see those type of players go that high and do the NCAA route and you have been around it for so long it's easy to see why they would want to go that way.
The distance makes some sense but to me it seems more about the parents influence than the kids preferences. You have kids younger than them travelling all over the country/cross borders for different sports all the time and while some kids can handle it and others can't I would imagine the vast majority would be able to handle it regardless of sport.
If their kids excelled at a sport that usually saw careers end at 18 to 21 years of age what would they have done, tell their kids to find another interest or simply held them back?
This is assuming that a lot of this is the parents influence of course.
The distance makes some sense but to me it seems more about the parents influence than the kids preferences. You have kids younger than them travelling all over the country/cross borders for different sports all the time and while some kids can handle it and others can't I would imagine the vast majority would be able to handle it regardless of sport.
If their kids excelled at a sport that usually saw careers end at 18 to 21 years of age what would they have done, tell their kids to find another interest or simply held them back?
This is assuming that a lot of this is the parents influence of course.
All just specualtion, and since you are discussing minors I don't think a parent's influence in these matters should not be respected.
All just specualtion, and since you are discussing minors I don't think a parent's influence in these matters should not be respected.
A parent's influence should definitely be respected, not questioning that but a parent needs to know what is best for their kids when the oppurtunities are presented to them.
If you have a kid who in a few short years will be capable of signing multi million dollar contracts, with or without the parents influence what is best for them? Hold them back and lengthen out the process or give them every chance to excel and increase their abilities?
Education is important but to set them up in a situation where they are capable of having both, either through the various programs available or through their own means when they have reached the success these two are likely to reach what would you do as a parent?
IF my kid was in their position and following their dreams which could set them up for life while education would still be a significant factor I would not hold them back from reaching their dreams at the same time.
These two have the ability to reach their goals whatever route they take so while neither option is a bad option one provides significantly more advantages for them to reach their goals while the other appears to provide a better option to reach their parents goals for them.
If I had a kid who could call his shots, I'd have him going the NCAA route. No doubt in my mind. If Harvard, Cornell, Michigan types are knocking, that's where he is going. Issue with Canadian kids is the 16 and 17 yr old seasons where they have to play down a level, but an American kid with the USNTDP option for two years to bridge the gap - that's the game changer.
If I had a kid who could call his shots, I'd have him going the NCAA route. No doubt in my mind. If Harvard, Cornell, Michigan types are knocking, that's where he is going. Issue with Canadian kids is the 16 and 17 yr old seasons where they have to play down a level, but an American kid with the USNTDP option for two years to bridge the gap - that's the game changer.
Agreee with you 1,000% Otto! We can all list the sure-fire, outstanding talents who came into the OHL as first rounders and either did not get drafted, or were drafted late enough that the big-money contracts were nothing more than a pipe dream.
There is nothing that assures Schmaltz will be able to sign the big money contract today, not to mention serious injuries such as the one Joey Hishon for example is facing.....
The Schmaltz family is fortunate enough to have multiple options.
Both routes are good and for young players the first year is usually hardest since Vets are more experienced and are generally bigger, stronger and faster. Sometimes I think either the Draft moves to become a Midget Draft or 1 year of T2 for majority is good. And that's where the NCAA route becomes long in the tooth since kids have to wait a good few years to enter NCAA in most cases and actually play a key role. In the mean time they're going to also have to adjust to playing very few games in comparison to CHL so those are factors that have to be taken into account also. But many people overall consider NCAA as the 'safer' route but it's really is an individual choice.
If I had a kid who could call his shots, I'd have him going the NCAA route. No doubt in my mind. If Harvard, Cornell, Michigan types are knocking, that's where he is going. Issue with Canadian kids is the 16 and 17 yr old seasons where they have to play down a level, but an American kid with the USNTDP option for two years to bridge the gap - that's the game changer.
Agreed with this, if my son ever has the chance to do the hockey thing it would definitely be NCAA. Only a couple franchises in the OHL are worth their salt in regards to education and on ice opportunities.
The thing with Hishon is that could happen in any league. He was a small guy reaching for the puck and ran into the guys elbow. Plus, he ran into his own teammate heading to the bench. I'm not saying anyone was right in that situation, but it can't be used as an "avoid the CHL!" tool.
There is nothing that assures Schmaltz will be able to sign the big money contract today, not to mention serious injuries such as the one Joey Hishon for example is facing.....
The Schmaltz family is fortunate enough to have multiple options.
So injuries don't happen in college hockey? College hockey is rougher than the OHL is now if people haven't noticed. There is nothing to assure that Schmaltz finishes college or signs a big money contract.
The Schmaltz family is fortunate to have options, they need to do what's best for them, their priorities and goals. Junior hockey will survive with or with out the Schmaltz boy(s) like wise North Dakota will not stop hockey operations if he plays in the OHL.
The thing with Hishon is that could happen in any league. He was a small guy reaching for the puck and ran into the guys elbow. Plus, he ran into his own teammate heading to the bench. I'm not saying anyone was right in that situation, but it can't be used as an "avoid the CHL!" tool.
My intent was not to say "Avoid the OHL." Far from it actually. I do subscribe to the notion that players can find what is right for them with the options available.
My point was that even the most gifted players just entering junior hockey have the risk of serious injury hovering over them; thus talk of big-money contracts is premature. No-one can ever take one's education away from them.
How long can you be in the OHL? Nick can go to the USHL and then go to Windsor correct? Could he go to UND and then decide after a year it's not for him and go to Windsor?
How long can you be in the OHL? Nick can go to the USHL and then go to Windsor correct? Could he go to UND and then decide after a year it's not for him and go to Windsor?
Think he meant USHL,he could return after 1 season with Green Bay,there has been no discussion of usdtp program for this player
As for U of ND he can leave and join as long as he is not 20 years of age,only 19 and younger
Similar styles, work ethic/effort on the ice. Take away the Rychel name and you likely here the same types of comparisons instead of getting such polarizing views of him.
the honest reason why there r soo many ppl coming down on him is because of the ppl making him sound like an all star
i like him office and i like kerby onice i wish he played all 3zones tho
as for marcheese i was the one on here who said we didnt need or want him
soo when it comesto him i like the trade because he doesntbring hes gold package with him thats whyi can some what stand him
I'd say we probably got a 20-30% chance Rychel can convince Nick Schmaltz to come over but a .05% chance of convincing the parents.
But who knows, maybe Nick's parents may have a change of heart and let him play for the Spits next year. Of course Jordan would have to be here as his legal guardian.
If Rychel makes this happen- that would be 3 heist in a year. First Tommy and Jack and now Nick. He's got his work cut out for him this summer.
My intent was not to say "Avoid the OHL." Far from it actually. I do subscribe to the notion that players can find what is right for them with the options available.
My point was that even the most gifted players just entering junior hockey have the risk of serious injury hovering over them; thus talk of big-money contracts is premature. No-one can ever take one's education away from them.
You have the risk of serious injury regardless of where you play. Look at Galchenyuk on Sarnia; he twisted his knee on a rut in the ice and was nearly done for the season (40 games?). That could have happened in the NCAA. I respect the idea that players want to get their education while playing, but injuries can, and do, happen in any league.
Do you keep your scholarship if injured on the ice/field?
I can't guarantee the accuracy but I thought I read somewhere a couple of years ago that you would not keep it in all cicumstances. Different levels of scholarships. I believe at one time each scholarship was year to year but thought I had heard that had changed.
Could be completely wrong on both of these as I thought I read them on here a couple of years ago.
Thought I also read that Schmaltz would have a guarenteed education because of his mother. Again a simple recollection that I could, and likely am mistaken on.
the honest reason why there r soo many ppl coming down on him is because of the ppl making him sound like an all star
i like him office and i like kerby onice i wish he played all 3zones tho
as for marcheese i was the one on here who said we didnt need or want him
soo when it comesto him i like the trade because he doesntbring hes gold package with him thats whyi can some what stand him
When they dealt for Marchese I had higher expectations than I do now.
At the start of the season I had lower expectations from Kerby when it came to contributing offensively, needless to say it has been a very p[leasant surprise to see such a big improvement to that part of his game. On the other hand though I figured he would have been a more rounded player as far as willingness to play all three zones. you can see the potential is there for him to play a two way game, just don't see it manifested too often.
Both players have the ability to to become all around players, Kerby has shown a bit more than Marchese but both have a ways to go.
I believe at one time each scholarship was year to year but thought I had heard that had changed.
"The board also approved a measure that will give individual schools the authority to award scholarships on a multiple-year basis.
Under the current model, those scholarships are renewed annually and can be revoked for any reason. If adopted, schools could guarantee scholarships for the player's entire career and would be unable to revoke it based solely on athletic performance. Scholarships could still be pulled for reasons such as poor grades, academic misconduct or other forms of improper behavior."
The measure was passed and multi-year scholarships can be offered by schools. This is not mandatory so schools can also offer year to year deals as well. Sounds like an education package doesn't it?
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Thought I also read that Schmaltz would have a guarenteed education because of his mother. Again a simple recollection that I could, and likely am mistaken on.
I believe most universities offer free tuition to the kids of their employees.
"The board also approved a measure that will give individual schools the authority to award scholarships on a multiple-year basis.
Under the current model, those scholarships are renewed annually and can be revoked for any reason. If adopted, schools could guarantee scholarships for the player's entire career and would be unable to revoke it based solely on athletic performance. Scholarships could still be pulled for reasons such as poor grades, academic misconduct or other forms of improper behavior."
The measure was passed and multi-year scholarships can be offered by schools. This is not mandatory so schools can also offer year to year deals as well. Sounds like an education package doesn't it?
I believe most universities offer free tuition to the kids of their employees.
Thanks for the clarification on those, sounds like basically what I had heard/read on here., Stated a whole lot better though.
I can't speak for all Universities, but I know U of Windsor gives (or at least did 10-years ago in my first go-around) free tuition for employees children. (no, I didn't have it, but the possibility was there)
I can't speak for all Universities, but I know U of Windsor gives (or at least did 10-years ago in my first go-around) free tuition for employees children. (no, I didn't have it, but the possibility was there)
You are correct, they still do. I know of a gentleman who's 2 sons have free tuition because he is a professor at the U of Windsor. But boy are they stuck up because of tha though.
Rumour though not confirmed has the spits trying to trade both Euros Pavelka and Koko,prior to the import draft,as well as trading one or both of next years 1st rd euro picks,as an attempt to move up in the draft. Comments?
Rumour though not confirmed has the spits trying to trade both Euros Pavelka and Koko,prior to the import draft,as well as trading one or both of next years 1st rd euro picks,as an attempt to move up in the draft. Comments?
Only way I can accept dealing Koko is if we have a player coming back with equal talent.
